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Gus D is gonna dominate this gimmick rookie qb

Just watched Gabbert hold the tacs lead for a win and I'm sitting at Chili's eating dinner thinning is Gabbert better than Bortles today?

Lamar Jackson 7 consecutive games with a fumble

(12-22-2018, 09:38 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Lamar Jackson 7 consecutive games with a fumble

2nd best rookie QB this year. Great to see.

Hopefully goes 5-1 tonight!

(12-22-2018, 09:54 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-22-2018, 09:38 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Lamar Jackson 7 consecutive games with a fumble

2nd best rookie QB this year. Great to see.

Hopefully goes 5-1 tonight!

Lol

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I'm just glad we didnt take him and set this franchise back another 3 or 4 years

(12-22-2018, 09:57 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-22-2018, 09:54 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]2nd best rookie QB this year. Great to see.

Hopefully goes 5-1 tonight!

Lol

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I'm just glad we didnt take him and set this franchise back another 3 or 4 years

You disagree? Darnold , Allen and Rosen have been worse passers than Lamar. At least Allen was comparable on the ground I guess. 

Yes , sure is a shame we don't have a promising rookie QB who's winning games already on the roster.......

(12-22-2018, 10:03 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-22-2018, 09:57 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Lol

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I'm just glad we didnt take him and set this franchise back another 3 or 4 years

You disagree? Darnold , Allen and Rosen have been worse passers than Lamar. At least Allen was comparable on the ground I guess. 

Yes , sure is a shame we don't have a promising rookie QB who's winning games already on the roster.......

Lol, this is like saying Bortles is the reason we almost made it to the SB last year.  He has had 1 passing game over 150 yards.  If you think Jackson has been good I dont know what to tell you.  He is on by far the best team out of all the rooks.  I think Allen has showed the most promise out of the rookie QBs other than Mayfield.  Allen has mad some dumb mistakes but has also made some ridiculous throws.  Allen's oline is horrendous.  If Buff. can beef up their oline and get Allen a number 1 receiver he could be dangerous.  He makes some ridiculous plays with that crap offense

(12-22-2018, 10:12 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-22-2018, 10:03 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]You disagree? Darnold , Allen and Rosen have been worse passers than Lamar. At least Allen was comparable on the ground I guess. 

Yes , sure is a shame we don't have a promising rookie QB who's winning games already on the roster.......

Lol, this is like saying Bortles is the reason we almost made it to the SB last year.  He has had 1 passing game over 150 yards.  If you think Jackson has been good I dont know what to tell you.  He is on by far the best team out of all the rooks.  I think Allen has showed the most promise out of the rookie QBs other than Mayfield.  Allen has mad some dumb mistakes but has also made some ridiculous throws.  Allen's oline is horrendous.  If Buff. can beef up their oline and get Allen a number 1 receiver he could be dangerous.  He makes some ridiculous plays with that crap offense

Wait, you think the Ravens are able to run this offense with Flacco? Them moving to Lamar and going for this run heavy attack is the biggest reason they are where they are, even if Lamar has overall being meh as a passer.  

Allen has played like Bortles did as a rookie and that's not good. Electric runner sure. He's pretty much played as expected as a passer , his top 10 plays stack up with anyones but everything else is god awful.

(12-22-2018, 10:26 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-22-2018, 10:12 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Lol, this is like saying Bortles is the reason we almost made it to the SB last year.  He has had 1 passing game over 150 yards.  If you think Jackson has been good I dont know what to tell you.  He is on by far the best team out of all the rooks.  I think Allen has showed the most promise out of the rookie QBs other than Mayfield.  Allen has mad some dumb mistakes but has also made some ridiculous throws.  Allen's oline is horrendous.  If Buff. can beef up their oline and get Allen a number 1 receiver he could be dangerous.  He makes some ridiculous plays with that crap offense

Wait, you think the Ravens are able to run this offense with Flacco? Them moving to Lamar and going for this run heavy attack is the biggest reason they are where they are, even if Lamar has overall being meh as a passer.  

Allen has played like Bortles did as a rookie and that's not good. Electric runner sure. He's pretty much played as expected as a passer , his top 10 plays stack up with anyones but everything else is god awful.

The biggest reason Bal. is where they are is because of their defense, not because they are running a run heavy attack on offense.  Allen has made some nice throws but has one of the worst olines and receiving corps if not the worst.  He looked good last game, I think the go offense early to give him a little help and I see him making big strides next year.  I never said he has been good but neither has Jackson.  I'm sure Jackson will break 180 yards passing game soon

(12-22-2018, 10:37 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-22-2018, 10:26 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Wait, you think the Ravens are able to run this offense with Flacco? Them moving to Lamar and going for this run heavy attack is the biggest reason they are where they are, even if Lamar has overall being meh as a passer.  

Allen has played like Bortles did as a rookie and that's not good. Electric runner sure. He's pretty much played as expected as a passer , his top 10 plays stack up with anyones but everything else is god awful.

The biggest reason Bal. is where they are is because of their defense, not because they are running a run heavy attack on offense.  Allen has made some nice throws but has one of the worst olines and receiving corps if not the worst.  He looked good last game, I think the go offense early to give him a little help and I see him making big strides next year.  I never said he has been good but neither has Jackson.  I'm sure Jackson will break 180 yards passing game soon

It's a combination of both actually. The defense was very strong early in the year too. This new rush heavy attack has been catching teams by surprise and keeping the possessions to a minimum, granted this is the first goodish defense they've played.   

He's looked good in flashes but mostly awful, the same as he did his college career and the same as Bortles did as a rookie. It's very interesting that Bills fans are full of praise for a limited passing QB that can run the ball really considering they all trash Tyrod when he was there. Very interesting indeed.

And yeah I'm not saying Lamar is a good passer right now (all rookie QBs should be expected to be below average) ,just he's been playing better than every rookie not named Mayfield. Rosen and Allen have looked lost. Darnold has put some real nice games/drives together but he's still a turnover machine and that doesn't seem to be going away.

(12-22-2018, 10:50 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-22-2018, 10:37 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The biggest reason Bal. is where they are is because of their defense, not because they are running a run heavy attack on offense.  Allen has made some nice throws but has one of the worst olines and receiving corps if not the worst.  He looked good last game, I think the go offense early to give him a little help and I see him making big strides next year.  I never said he has been good but neither has Jackson.  I'm sure Jackson will break 180 yards passing game soon

It's a combination of both actually. The defense was very strong early in the year too. This new rush heavy attack has been catching teams by surprise and keeping the possessions to a minimum, granted this is the first goodish defense they've played.   

He's looked good in flashes but mostly awful, the same as he did his college career and the same as Bortles did as a rookie. It's very interesting that Bills fans are full of praise for a limited passing QB that can run the ball really considering they all trash Tyrod when he was there. Very interesting indeed.

And yeah I'm not saying Lamar is a good passer right now (all rookie QBs should be expected to be below average) ,just he's been playing better than every rookie not named Mayfield. Rosen and Allen have looked lost. Darnold has put some real nice games/drives together but he's still a turnover machine and that doesn't seem to be going away.

You calling Allen a limited passing QB?  The guy has one of the strongest arms this league has seen him some time.  Of course he is a rookie but the guy has the arm talent to make any throw.  The Buffalo fans knew what Taylor was and they were right.  There is a reason he was benched early in the season, the Browns didnt plan on starting Baker early but when Tylor sucked it up again, they didnt have much of a choice.  Then Baker led them to their first win in some time.  Was crazy the difference it made when Taylor got benched.

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Probably the best throw Taylor has made

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To think we could of gotten Andrew's over Chark. A guy a lot of us liked. Diabities was the only issue with him, but a big one

Would of rather Gallup if we went WR

(12-22-2018, 11:09 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-22-2018, 10:50 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]It's a combination of both actually. The defense was very strong early in the year too. This new rush heavy attack has been catching teams by surprise and keeping the possessions to a minimum, granted this is the first goodish defense they've played.   

He's looked good in flashes but mostly awful, the same as he did his college career and the same as Bortles did as a rookie. It's very interesting that Bills fans are full of praise for a limited passing QB that can run the ball really considering they all trash Tyrod when he was there. Very interesting indeed.

And yeah I'm not saying Lamar is a good passer right now (all rookie QBs should be expected to be below average) ,just he's been playing better than every rookie not named Mayfield. Rosen and Allen have looked lost. Darnold has put some real nice games/drives together but he's still a turnover machine and that doesn't seem to be going away.

You calling Allen a limited passing QB?  The guy has one of the strongest arms this league has seen him some time.  Of course he is a rookie but the guy has the arm talent to make any throw.  The Buffalo fans knew what Taylor was and they were right.  There is a reason he was benched early in the season, the Browns didnt plan on starting Baker early but when Tylor sucked it up again, they didnt have much of a choice.  Then Baker led them to their first win in some time.  Was crazy the difference it made when Taylor got benched.

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Probably the best throw Taylor has made

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To think we could of gotten Andrew's over Chark.  A guy a lot of us liked.  Diabities was the only issue with him, but a big one

Limited is not referring to his arm strength, rather his inability to throw accurately and with anticipation. You have to throw out a whole heap of the playbook because of that, in the same way you would if someone had a noodle arm.  

The Browns offense was a disaster with Haley and Jackson there. Baker is better than Taylor for sure but I don't think Tyrod being bad there is a true show of who he is.    

It's just an interesting dichotomy that they hated Tyrod because he ran so much but now they love Allen for doing the same but being a much worse passer.  

Yeah Andrews would have been perfect here. Thank god we missed out on Hurst though

Lamar Jackson looks good. Another epic miss by our dunce cap front office.

(12-22-2018, 11:18 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-22-2018, 11:09 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]You calling Allen a limited passing QB?  The guy has one of the strongest arms this league has seen him some time.  Of course he is a rookie but the guy has the arm talent to make any throw.  The Buffalo fans knew what Taylor was and they were right.  There is a reason he was benched early in the season, the Browns didnt plan on starting Baker early but when Tylor sucked it up again, they didnt have much of a choice.  Then Baker led them to their first win in some time.  Was crazy the difference it made when Taylor got benched.

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Probably the best throw Taylor has made

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To think we could of gotten Andrew's over Chark.  A guy a lot of us liked.  Diabities was the only issue with him, but a big one

Limited is not referring to his arm strength, rather his inability to throw accurately and with anticipation. You have to throw out a whole heap of the playbook because of that, in the same way you would if someone had a noodle arm.  

The Browns offense was a disaster with Haley and Jackson there. Baker is better than Taylor for sure but I don't think Tyrod being bad there is a true show of who he is.    

It's just an interesting dichotomy that they hated Tyrod because he ran so much but now they love Allen for doing the same but being a much worse passer.  

Yeah Andrews would have been perfect here. Thank god we missed out on Hurst though

I don't ever remember the Bill's fan base saying they hated Taylor because he ran to much, they didnt like him because he cant make the throws and is not a good QB.  I think I know where you are going with this though, kinda the same thing you always do lol, par for the course.   Allen looked much better in his last game and I think as the game slows down, as McDermott has already stated it is, Allen will be much better.  The have to get Allen some help for him to succeed though.

Antonio Gates still has it

(12-22-2018, 11:32 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-22-2018, 11:18 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Limited is not referring to his arm strength, rather his inability to throw accurately and with anticipation. You have to throw out a whole heap of the playbook because of that, in the same way you would if someone had a noodle arm.  

The Browns offense was a disaster with Haley and Jackson there. Baker is better than Taylor for sure but I don't think Tyrod being bad there is a true show of who he is.    

It's just an interesting dichotomy that they hated Tyrod because he ran so much but now they love Allen for doing the same but being a much worse passer.  

Yeah Andrews would have been perfect here. Thank god we missed out on Hurst though

I don't ever remember the Bill's fan base saying they hated Taylor because he ran to much, they didnt like him because he cant make the throws and is not a good QB.  I think I know where you are going with this though, kinda the same thing you always do lol, par for the course.   Allen looked much better in his last game and I think as the game slows down, as McDermott has already stated it is, Allen will be much better.  The have to get Allen some help for him to succeed though.

They said you can't run a proper offense with him because he runs and holds the ball too long + he can't throw the ball accurately. Not that I'm surprised a fanbase wants it's highly drafted rookie QB to be good.   

Sure, Allen should get better as he develops and gets more help. I just don't think he's playing in an unexpected fashion for me. He's still way below average as a passer and will take years of development.

Good game

I have a feeling all these rookie Qbs will regress next year.

(12-23-2018, 12:02 AM)jaglyn Wrote: [ -> ]I have a feeling all these rookie Qbs will regress next year.

They cant regress to much.  None of them have really been good other than Baker