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(12-31-2018, 03:23 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-30-2018, 10:11 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ][quote pid='1183506' dateline='1546219368']
BullseyeNow that we know the front office triumvirate of Coughlin Caldwell and Marrone are slated to return to try to get this team back on a winning track, it is understandable and predictable that many are upset with the decision.

Knowing your bloodlust will not be sated with their jobs this year, what steps would you take to return this team to the playoffs in 2019?

Specifically:

1.  Knowing we are picking 7th in the draft, how would you address the QB situation?  Would you go strictly with a veteran QB?  If so, who?  Would you be willing to trade for a vet?  What are you willing to give up to get him?  Would you obtain a veteran QB to be a placeholder and draft a rookie QB?  If so, which veteran and which rookie?  Do you go specifically and primarily with a rookie signal caller?  At what point in the draft do you draft a QB?  Why?  Are you willing to trade up to get him?  If so, how far up are you willing to deal, and what are you willing to give up to get him?

2.  I have argued the main thing that sabotaged the team this year was injuries, specifically to the offensive line.  NYCJags has argued (not calling him out) the team did not provide sufficient depth along the OL to withstand the carnage to the team we saw this past season.  I believe there is some merit to that argument.  What would you do to fix the OL going into next season?  Keep in mind, Parnell is likely to be gone, and Cann is a free agent.  So you must come out of this offseason with no fewer than two starting caliber OL, and that's not even considering the depth requirements.  Also be mindful of the team's salary cap situation and the need for at least one, maybe two signal callers.  How do you re-stock and upgrade the offensive line and depth?  How many draft picks do you allocate to this area?  Which players would you like to see?  What about the players not leaving but returning from injury like Cam Robinson, Norwell and Linder? 

3.  What about replacements for departing defensive players like Malik Jackson and Barry Church?  Do you allocate any picks to the defensive side of the ball?  Do you think we have sufficient depth there?

4.  What about WR and TE?  It seems like it's been forever since we've had a guy who can command a defense's attention from the Y position, and almost as long since we've had a true stud # 1 WR.   How much attention do you give those positions?  Do you put off adequately stocking those positions in the hunt for a QB and stockpiling OL depth and starters?

5.  What do you do at RB?  Do you keep or dump Fournette?  If you desire to trade him away, what is the minimum amount you would take for him in trade?  Do you replace him with Kareem Hunt or allocate a draft pick to replace him?  What about Yeldon's and Grant's replacements?

I respectfully ask for specific detailed responses to these questions.

Quote:1. If you believe that there's a QB out there who is the guy to take your team to the promised land, you do whatever it takes to get your hands on him. If we believe that Haskins is that guy, then we should not hesitate to bet the farm on him in terms of trading up as far as the top pick if we have to. If we don't think that guy is in this draft, or the guy we like most is a second or third-round prospect who needs time to grow, then we go find a guy in free agency to fill in. Maybe that's Flacco. Maybe it's Foles. Maybe Stafford gets cut and the team thinks he could be the guy long term. Maybe Kessler has some kind of epiphany in the offseason and can hold down the fort for 16 games. What we know is that we have a bad starter in Bortles, a bad backup in Kessler, and a third-stringer who didn't even sniff the field despite having two of the league's worst in front of him. That's a problem that has to be fixed.

2. The left side of the line is worth keeping. Robinson is a bit of an open question right now, but Norwell didn't play a healthy down all year, and we know Linder is money. Cann is a turnstile and should have been gone a year ago. Parnell is a guy worth keeping at the right price. Flowers wasn't terrible after settling in, but he's more backup than starter. The team absolutely did not keep enough depth. I think a couple of offensive linemen within the first four rounds wouldn't be overkill in the least. At least one early and one late. Veterans will have to play a role here, but we can't go into next season starting guys who weren't good enough to keep their jobs with the Giants again.

3. Ronnie Harrison will replace Church. I think that was a given from the second he set foot in town. Taven Bryan will be taking over Malik's spot. As long as we don't lose anyone else from the DL, I don't think we necessarily need to draft anyone there, although if the right guy pops up in the fifth round or later, why not? If we lose Dareus or Campbell, we're just screwed. I think the Myles Jack experiment at MLB was a worthwhile one, but I'm not sure it had the desired effects. This might sound nuts, but I'd actually like to see us pursue Sean Lee on a prove-it deal so we can move Jack back outside where he fits best. I could see Gipson being sent on his way, but given that he's still good, we've only got so many draft picks and so many dollars, and we have an offense that's going to need most of them, I think he stays. I'll never be opposed to the idea of grabbing a DB late in every draft, because you never know when you'll stumble across an A.J. Bouye or Tashaun Gipson, and it's not like teams don't need all the young DBs they can find to fly down the field on special teams.

4. I think we have two starting WRs in Lee and Westbrook, assuming Lee recovers nicely. Chark has potential and needs to step up next offseason. If those three pan out, I think we're actually OK at receiver. Bonus points if Cole can get his head screwed back on straight. It might not be popular to say given who our WR coach is, but I think coaching was an issue there. The mistakes being made: drops, routes, brain farts, those are all mental, and they all point to coaching. I hate to say it, but a better WR coach might be the biggest upgrade there--aside from telling Rashad Greene to get his crap out of the locker room and never come back. Blake Bell actually looked ok when he was given something to do. ASJ is still a solid target. I think a mid-round pick on a developmental TE might make sense, but I don't know that there's a ton of money to sink into that position. I think we might just have to roll with ASJ as our starter and try to find a better backup than Niles Paul in free agency.

5. I would bring Corey Grant back if at all humanly possible. That's really weird for me to say after spending the first couple years of the guy's career making fun of him for being a walking fumble, but we need his speed. This year made that very clear as we didn't have a game-breaking back, and defenses were able to play us accordingly. Fournette I'm more ambivalent on. If someone offers us a one, yeah, get rid of him. If they offer something less, I don't know. I'd probably take a two, maybe even a three and some change. In terms of talent, I think he's a solid back. In terms of attitude, I think he might as well be R. Jay Soward. He's the best back on the team, but I wouldn't consider that a good thing. I wouldn't be surprised to see a back added somewhere between rounds two and five with the immediate goal of replacing Yeldon, and the longer-term goal of replacing Fournette. I don't know if Hyde comes back, and his half-hearted effort today makes me (1.) wonder if he'll get shoved out the door for it and (2.) question why we're keeping the coach who presided over two running backs on the bench laughing all day and a third that gave zero [BLEEP]. Don't overlook Dave Williams, either. He's going to get a good, long look in camp next year.

(12-30-2018, 09:22 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Now that we know the front office triumvirate of Coughlin Caldwell and Marrone are slated to return to try to get this team back on a winning track, it is understandable and predictable that many are upset with the decision.

Knowing your bloodlust will not be sated with their jobs this year, what steps would you take to return this team to the playoffs in 2019?

Specifically:

1.  Knowing we are picking 7th in the draft, how would you address the QB situation?  Would you go strictly with a veteran QB?  If so, who?  Would you be willing to trade for a vet?  What are you willing to give up to get him?  Would you obtain a veteran QB to be a placeholder and draft a rookie QB?  If so, which veteran and which rookie?  Do you go specifically and primarily with a rookie signal caller?  At what point in the draft do you draft a QB?  Why?  Are you willing to trade up to get him?  If so, how far up are you willing to deal, and what are you willing to give up to get him?

2.  I have argued the main thing that sabotaged the team this year was injuries, specifically to the offensive line.  NYCJags has argued (not calling him out) the team did not provide sufficient depth along the OL to withstand the carnage to the team we saw this past season.  I believe there is some merit to that argument.  What would you do to fix the OL going into next season?  Keep in mind, Parnell is likely to be gone, and Cann is a free agent.  So you must come out of this offseason with no fewer than two starting caliber OL, and that's not even considering the depth requirements.  Also be mindful of the team's salary cap situation and the need for at least one, maybe two signal callers.  How do you re-stock and upgrade the offensive line and depth?  How many draft picks do you allocate to this area?  Which players would you like to see?  What about the players not leaving but returning from injury like Cam Robinson, Norwell and Linder? 

3.  What about replacements for departing defensive players like Malik Jackson and Barry Church?  Do you allocate any picks to the defensive side of the ball?  Do you think we have sufficient depth there?

4.  What about WR and TE?  It seems like it's been forever since we've had a guy who can command a defense's attention from the Y position, and almost as long since we've had a true stud # 1 WR.   How much attention do you give those positions?  Do you put off adequately stocking those positions in the hunt for a QB and stockpiling OL depth and starters?

5.  What do you do at RB?  Do you keep or dump Fournette?  If you desire to trade him away, what is the minimum amount you would take for him in trade?  Do you replace him with Kareem Hunt or allocate a draft pick to replace him?  What about Yeldon's and Grant's replacements?

I respectfully ask for specific detailed responses to these questions.

(12-30-2018, 09:22 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Now that we know the front office triumvirate of Coughlin Caldwell and Marrone are slated to return to try to get this team back on a winning track, it is understandable and predictable that many are upset with the decision.

Knowing your bloodlust will not be sated with their jobs this year, what steps would you take to return this team to the playoffs in 2019?

Specifically:

1.  Knowing we are picking 7th in the draft, how would you address the QB situation?  Would you go strictly with a veteran QB?  If so, who?  Would you be willing to trade for a vet?  What are you willing to give up to get him?  Would you obtain a veteran QB to be a placeholder and draft a rookie QB?  If so, which veteran and which rookie?  Do you go specifically and primarily with a rookie signal caller?  At what point in the draft do you draft a QB?  Why?  Are you willing to trade up to get him?  If so, how far up are you willing to deal, and what are you willing to give up to get him? I don't know much about QBs coming to the Draft I have to wait and learn about them a bit to decide if there is somebody I trust to pick #7. QBs I'd be interested (in no order). Flacco if the price is right, while he isn't great he is better than Bortles. Nick Mullens (3rd rounder max) or CJ Beathard (4th rounder at most). Fitzpatrick. Derek Carr (3rd max). Brisset (3rd max). I'd probably also draft a QB on the 3rd round or later.
 
2.  I have argued the main thing that sabotaged the team this year was injuries, specifically to the offensive line.  NYCJags has argued (not calling him out) the team did not provide sufficient depth along the OL to withstand the carnage to the team we saw this past season.  I believe there is some merit to that argument.  What would you do to fix the OL going into next season?  Keep in mind, Parnell is likely to be gone, and Cann is a free agent.  So you must come out of this offseason with no fewer than two starting caliber OL, and that's not even considering the depth requirements.  Also be mindful of the team's salary cap situation and the need for at least one, maybe two signal callers.  How do you re-stock and upgrade the offensive line and depth?  How many draft picks do you allocate to this area?  Which players would you like to see?  What about the players not leaving but returning from injury like Cam Robinson, Norwell and Linder? If I don't take a QB #7 I'd probably draft the best Olineman or trade down and still pick O-line. I'd draft at least 2 O-line players.

3.  What about replacements for departing defensive players like Malik Jackson and Barry Church? I trust Harrison to replace Church Do you allocate any picks to the defensive side of the ball?  Do you think we have sufficient depth there?

4.  What about WR and TE?  It seems like it's been forever since we've had a guy who can command a defense's attention from the Y position, and almost as long since we've had a true stud # 1 WR.   How much attention do you give those positions?  Do you put off adequately stocking those positions in the hunt for a QB and stockpiling OL depth and starters? I think and good QB can surive with Lee, Chark (if he makes progress) and Westbrook. Really depends on BAP.

5.  What do you do at RB?  Do you keep or dump Fournette?  If you desire to trade him away, what is the minimum amount you would take for him in trade?  Do you replace him with Kareem Hunt or allocate a draft pick to replace him?  What about Yeldon's and Grant's replacements? If some team offers a 2nd or a 3rd for LF I trade him, otherwise no, he stays. No thanks to Yeldon. Grant sure if the price is right.

I respectfully ask for specific detailed responses to these questions.

(01-01-2019, 07:15 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ][quote pid='1183506' dateline='1546219368']
BullseyeNow that we know the front office triumvirate of Coughlin Caldwell and Marrone are slated to return to try to get this team back on a winning track, it is understandable and predictable that many are upset with the decision.

Knowing your bloodlust will not be sated with their jobs this year, what steps would you take to return this team to the playoffs in 2019?

Specifically:

1.  Knowing we are picking 7th in the draft, how would you address the QB situation?  Would you go strictly with a veteran QB?  If so, who?  Would you be willing to trade for a vet?  What are you willing to give up to get him?  Would you obtain a veteran QB to be a placeholder and draft a rookie QB?  If so, which veteran and which rookie?  Do you go specifically and primarily with a rookie signal caller?  At what point in the draft do you draft a QB?  Why?  Are you willing to trade up to get him?  If so, how far up are you willing to deal, and what are you willing to give up to get him?

2.  I have argued the main thing that sabotaged the team this year was injuries, specifically to the offensive line.  NYCJags has argued (not calling him out) the team did not provide sufficient depth along the OL to withstand the carnage to the team we saw this past season.  I believe there is some merit to that argument.  What would you do to fix the OL going into next season?  Keep in mind, Parnell is likely to be gone, and Cann is a free agent.  So you must come out of this offseason with no fewer than two starting caliber OL, and that's not even considering the depth requirements.  Also be mindful of the team's salary cap situation and the need for at least one, maybe two signal callers.  How do you re-stock and upgrade the offensive line and depth?  How many draft picks do you allocate to this area?  Which players would you like to see?  What about the players not leaving but returning from injury like Cam Robinson, Norwell and Linder? 

3.  What about replacements for departing defensive players like Malik Jackson and Barry Church?  Do you allocate any picks to the defensive side of the ball?  Do you think we have sufficient depth there?

4.  What about WR and TE?  It seems like it's been forever since we've had a guy who can command a defense's attention from the Y position, and almost as long since we've had a true stud # 1 WR.   How much attention do you give those positions?  Do you put off adequately stocking those positions in the hunt for a QB and stockpiling OL depth and starters?

5.  What do you do at RB?  Do you keep or dump Fournette?  If you desire to trade him away, what is the minimum amount you would take for him in trade?  Do you replace him with Kareem Hunt or allocate a draft pick to replace him?  What about Yeldon's and Grant's replacements?

I respectfully ask for specific detailed responses to these questions.

Quote:1. I believe in building via the draft. I've let it be known that I am a huge Haskins fan. I believe he is the guy to target. I'd try trading up, particularly to that #3 position. As I believe the Cardinals and Niners would probably want to stay put and take defensive impact players. The Jets on the other hand need a 3-4 OLB and the best one in the draft is Josh Allen of Kentucky who is projected to go lower in the top 10, so they probably want to trade down. If you look at the NFL trade value chart, such a move up would cost us 700 points, which is like a mid first rounder. I would be willing to part with our 2020 first round pick to get the job done. If I get Haskins, I then sign Ryan Fitzpatrick in free agency to be a bridge QB and I bring in an UDFA QB like Kyle Kempt, Taylor Cornelius or Kyle Shurmur to give us 3 QB's. Fitzpatrick will be the starter for the 2019 season, but depending on what Haskins shows, he could start as early as week 6 or maybe not until 2020. 

2. I use our 2nd round pick to fill the RG position. I like players with experience at OG and OT, so I'm looking at guys like Cody Ford of Oklahoma (if he declares), Michael Dieter or Beau Benzschawel. I then use one of my 3rd or 4th picks to add an OT with experience at playing both OT positions. He would then compete with Richardson for the RT job or become a swing Tackle. I also bring in at least 5 UDFA O-Linemen after the draft to add depth and I may target a FA Tackle like Trenton Brown as a backup Tackle if the price is right and either OG Ramon Foster or Jermon Bushrod if the price is right. 

3. We have our replacements for Jackson and Church in Taven Bryan and Ronnie Harrison. Like it or not, that's the way it is. I at least keep them at starters for one year. I use a late round pick to find Fowler's replacement and if I see a NT prospect I like on that 3rd day of the draft, I use a pick on him to be Dareus' eventual replacement. Other than that, I go all offense. I believe we are good enough. I may trade Jalen Ramsey if I can get a good return, but I want at least a 1st round pick, a 3rd round pick and a decent player in return. If I get that, I use a high pick on his replacement. There are some pretty good corners that will go in the 1st and 2nd day of the draft. I also look to deal Telvin Smith. He has looked poor in coverage and has gotten "trucked" way too many times this season. I want at least a 2nd rounder for him as I prefer bigger linebackers. If I get my price, I love Jack to WLB and I find a true MLB via the draft. 

4. I use a 3rd or 4th round pick to find a receiver with decent size who can get deep. Guys who could fall in that area are Preston Williams, Parris Campbell, Keelan Doss, Anthony Johnson, Antoine Wesley and Lil' Jordan Humphrey (if he declares). With Chark getting another year under his belt and a new QB, Lee returning to the slot and Westbrook and Cole competing as well, I believe that would give us a solid core of receivers. 

I look for a TE somewhere in that 3rd or 4th round range. One guy that intrigues me a lot is Josh Oliver of San Jose State. He is a better pass catcher than a blocker, but I like his receiving skills. I also like Foster Moreau of LSU and an early entry of Utah State named Dax Raymond. 

5. I would only trade Fournette if the price was right. After thinking about it, I would want a 2nd rounder. Between the constant injuries and the antics, I'm getting sick of him. If I get my price, I look for his replacement in the draft. This draft doesn't have any superstar RB's in it, but it's extremely deep. Deep to the point where there will be some very good runners who go undrafted. Two guys I like are early entries. One is Darrell Henderson of Memphis and the other is Alex Mattison of Boise State. I also bring in a couple UDFA RB's to compete as well. With this new crop and Carlos Hyde, as well as a revamped O-Line, I believe the running game will find success. There is no way I bring in Kareem Hunt. He is done in the NFL. That would send the wrong message.

(12-30-2018, 09:22 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Now that we know the front office triumvirate of Coughlin Caldwell and Marrone are slated to return to try to get this team back on a winning track, it is understandable and predictable that many are upset with the decision.

Knowing your bloodlust will not be sated with their jobs this year, what steps would you take to return this team to the playoffs in 2019?

Specifically:

1.  Knowing we are picking 7th in the draft, how would you address the QB situation?  Would you go strictly with a veteran QB?  If so, who?  Would you be willing to trade for a vet?  What are you willing to give up to get him?  Would you obtain a veteran QB to be a placeholder and draft a rookie QB?  If so, which veteran and which rookie?  Do you go specifically and primarily with a rookie signal caller?  At what point in the draft do you draft a QB?  Why?  Are you willing to trade up to get him?  If so, how far up are you willing to deal, and what are you willing to give up to get him?

2.  I have argued the main thing that sabotaged the team this year was injuries, specifically to the offensive line.  NYCJags has argued (not calling him out) the team did not provide sufficient depth along the OL to withstand the carnage to the team we saw this past season.  I believe there is some merit to that argument.  What would you do to fix the OL going into next season?  Keep in mind, Parnell is likely to be gone, and Cann is a free agent.  So you must come out of this offseason with no fewer than two starting caliber OL, and that's not even considering the depth requirements.  Also be mindful of the team's salary cap situation and the need for at least one, maybe two signal callers.  How do you re-stock and upgrade the offensive line and depth?  How many draft picks do you allocate to this area?  Which players would you like to see?  What about the players not leaving but returning from injury like Cam Robinson, Norwell and Linder? 

3.  What about replacements for departing defensive players like Malik Jackson and Barry Church?  Do you allocate any picks to the defensive side of the ball?  Do you think we have sufficient depth there?

4.  What about WR and TE?  It seems like it's been forever since we've had a guy who can command a defense's attention from the Y position, and almost as long since we've had a true stud # 1 WR.   How much attention do you give those positions?  Do you put off adequately stocking those positions in the hunt for a QB and stockpiling OL depth and starters?

5.  What do you do at RB?  Do you keep or dump Fournette?  If you desire to trade him away, what is the minimum amount you would take for him in trade?  Do you replace him with Kareem Hunt or allocate a draft pick to replace him?  What about Yeldon's and Grant's replacements?

I respectfully ask for specific detailed responses to these questions.

1. I'm a proponent of signing a veteran QB to serve as a placeholder, and then draft the guy you see as your long-term solution.  If the team sees a QB in this draft that they feel can be their guy, you get him at 7.  Waiting hoping he's there in the 2nd round is not a strategy that normally lands you the guy you want.  I don't see the team trading for a veteran.  I could see them grabbing a guy like Tyrod Taylor who is all too familiar with placeholder status, although I'm not sure how affordable his contract would be.  He's still playing under the contract he signed in Buffalo, and I don't think he's going to get anything close to that when he hits the street as a UFA.
   
2. I agree that injuries along the OL absolutely hamstrung this team.  It's tough to have depth that goes 3 or 4 guys deep at a position.  We saw the entire left side of our line decimated by injuries, going 3 or even 4 deep at times.  You can't dismiss that by saying the team should have done a better job at building depth.  No team is going to have a bench that deep at OL positions.  I think you're probably looking at 2 or maybe 3 new starters on the line.  Robinson wasn't exactly playing at a high level before the injury, and while ACL injuries are not as debilitating as they were years ago for linemen, it's still a tough challenge to get back fully from that.  The team may need to explore their options there.  I don't seen Parnell back, and as thin as the entire league is for OL depth, Cann is going to get paid more to play elsewhere.  We drafted Parnell's replacement in Richardson.  He'll need to get that knee issue in the rearview, so we may only have to fill one or maybe 2 spots on the line depending on Robinson's progress.  I do think that if your'e going to rebuild the line through the draft, the old Coughlin approach of getting corn fed horses with a bit of nastiness is the best option.  If you think about some of the best lines we've had over the years, most of them included guys Coughlin drafted or signed early on the life of the franchise.  These are the kind of guys this team needs to add for depth.  Don't care where you find them.  Find the big nasties.  
   
3. I think we're going to have to rely on depth there.  I can see them supplement depth with late round picks, but I expect to see the Jags put a pretty heavy emphasis on the offense in this draft, so any defensive additions are going to be guys fighting for special team time.  
   
4. Get your QB and the receivers will rise to the occasion.  I think that with Lee coming back from injury, and young guys like Westbrook and Chark, we should be able to move forward with that group.  I do have some concerns about the TE position because the team is hurting there right now.  That may be an area that we look at doing something in the draft if we can land a guy who fits with whatever the new offensive scheme will be.
   
5. Yes.  You keep Fournette until he proves he's a wasted pick.  I think pulling his guaranteed money will most likely motivate him to step up his game.  At least I hope so.  Trading him seems a little premature at this point.  With proper motivation, and perhaps some mentoring by someone like Fred Taylor, he can turn the corner.  But, if we're trading him, I the best we could anticipate is maybe a 3rd or 4th...maybe?  This team won't even sniff in Hunt's direction.  Not with Tom Coughlin at the helm.  They'll look for options in the draft, or even rookie free agency.  Guys can be found who can contribute.  With the cap situation what it is right now, they're not going to take on any more big contracts, especially at RB. 
   

(01-02-2019, 03:06 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]1) QB: One of two things has to happen: Either we package everything to move up and grab Haskins if we think he is a true franchise QB and worth the investment to go and get him, or you find a way back into the back half of the first to grab one of the second-tier guys (Lock, Grier, Jones) if scouting shows they have franchise potential. As far as the stopgap goes, I would prefer to keep Blake and not throw further cap money into a question mark or equal replacement. If the only thing we can get is an erratic Fitzpatrick or washed out backup from somewhere else on a one-year deal, take your lumps until the rookie is ready to take over.

2) OL: If Parnell still has contract with us, I'm not letting him go. The reason we have no depth is we've been throwing high picks at the LT position for a while now for middle-of-the-road results, at best. Cam is doing well, but even previous picks should have been good enough to roll to other spots on the line to contribute. We need to bring in a few guys who have versatility to backup the starters at a few positions, I don't know that we need to put much into the position right now, considering the payroll demands of LG and C already, and if Cam turns out well, LT in a few years, too.

3) Not as high a priority for me, but maybe a mid-round pick to get a developmental guy in each spot will do.

4) Dave has found talent late or even outside of the draft. I'm ok with the group we have at WR (Dede is starting to take on that go-to persona) or bringing in some undrafted or cheap FA types. We don't need to be throwing deals at guys like Moncrief, though. As long as we identify as a team that wants to establish the run, and rely on the run to win, I don't see us having that deep-threat, passing game weapon at the TE position. Until we fix QB, the WR and TE are not a big consideration in my book.

5) RB: Fournette is a huge question mark. Is the recent call-out the culmination of a number of incidents over the course of the season where he and management are no longer able to work together? Does it convince him to put everything into next season, and prove to the team that he is committed to the franchise? I don't know, and I think a lot of us won't, unless something does happen. I say you keep him at this point, unless someone makes an offer too good to pass up. (I'm thinking a late first for Fournette and maybe our 3rd or 4th round pick, if we are trying to get back into the first for a QB). No way in Hades I bring Hunt in, as he's likely going to be PR ugliness and still subject to discipline by the league once he does get signed. We might see a mid-to-late pick this year to replace Yeldon's spot on the roster.

(01-02-2019, 07:11 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ][quote pid='1183506' dateline='1546219368']
BullseyeNow that we know the front office triumvirate of Coughlin Caldwell and Marrone are slated to return to try to get this team back on a winning track, it is understandable and predictable that many are upset with the decision.

Knowing your bloodlust will not be sated with their jobs this year, what steps would you take to return this team to the playoffs in 2019?

Specifically:

1.  Knowing we are picking 7th in the draft, how would you address the QB situation?  Would you go strictly with a veteran QB?  If so, who?  Would you be willing to trade for a vet?  What are you willing to give up to get him?  Would you obtain a veteran QB to be a placeholder and draft a rookie QB?  If so, which veteran and which rookie?  Do you go specifically and primarily with a rookie signal caller?  At what point in the draft do you draft a QB?  Why?  Are you willing to trade up to get him?  If so, how far up are you willing to deal, and what are you willing to give up to get him?

2.  I have argued the main thing that sabotaged the team this year was injuries, specifically to the offensive line.  NYCJags has argued (not calling him out) the team did not provide sufficient depth along the OL to withstand the carnage to the team we saw this past season.  I believe there is some merit to that argument.  What would you do to fix the OL going into next season?  Keep in mind, Parnell is likely to be gone, and Cann is a free agent.  So you must come out of this offseason with no fewer than two starting caliber OL, and that's not even considering the depth requirements.  Also be mindful of the team's salary cap situation and the need for at least one, maybe two signal callers.  How do you re-stock and upgrade the offensive line and depth?  How many draft picks do you allocate to this area?  Which players would you like to see?  What about the players not leaving but returning from injury like Cam Robinson, Norwell and Linder? 

3.  What about replacements for departing defensive players like Malik Jackson and Barry Church?  Do you allocate any picks to the defensive side of the ball?  Do you think we have sufficient depth there?

4.  What about WR and TE?  It seems like it's been forever since we've had a guy who can command a defense's attention from the Y position, and almost as long since we've had a true stud # 1 WR.   How much attention do you give those positions?  Do you put off adequately stocking those positions in the hunt for a QB and stockpiling OL depth and starters?

5.  What do you do at RB?  Do you keep or dump Fournette?  If you desire to trade him away, what is the minimum amount you would take for him in trade?  Do you replace him with Kareem Hunt or allocate a draft pick to replace him?  What about Yeldon's and Grant's replacements?

I respectfully ask for specific detailed responses to these questions.

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1. I'm a proponent of signing a veteran QB to serve as a placeholder, and then draft the guy you see as your long-term solution.  If the team sees a QB in this draft that they feel can be their guy, you get him at 7.  Waiting hoping he's there in the 2nd round is not a strategy that normally lands you the guy you want.  I don't see the team trading for a veteran.  I could see them grabbing a guy like Tyrod Taylor who is all too familiar with placeholder status, although I'm not sure how affordable his contract would be.  He's still playing under the contract he signed in Buffalo, and I don't think he's going to get anything close to that when he hits the street as a UFA.
   
2. I agree that injuries along the OL absolutely hamstrung this team.  It's tough to have depth that goes 3 or 4 guys deep at a position.  We saw the entire left side of our line decimated by injuries, going 3 or even 4 deep at times.  You can't dismiss that by saying the team should have done a better job at building depth.  No team is going to have a bench that deep at OL positions.  I think you're probably looking at 2 or maybe 3 new starters on the line.  Robinson wasn't exactly playing at a high level before the injury, and while ACL injuries are not as debilitating as they were years ago for linemen, it's still a tough challenge to get back fully from that.  The team may need to explore their options there.  I don't seen Parnell back, and as thin as the entire league is for OL depth, Cann is going to get paid more to play elsewhere.  We drafted Parnell's replacement in Richardson.  He'll need to get that knee issue in the rearview, so we may only have to fill one or maybe 2 spots on the line depending on Robinson's progress.  I do think that if your'e going to rebuild the line through the draft, the old Coughlin approach of getting corn fed horses with a bit of nastiness is the best option.  If you think about some of the best lines we've had over the years, most of them included guys Coughlin drafted or signed early on the life of the franchise.  These are the kind of guys this team needs to add for depth.  Don't care where you find them.  Find the big nasties.  
   
3. I think we're going to have to rely on depth there.  I can see them supplement depth with late round picks, but I expect to see the Jags put a pretty heavy emphasis on the offense in this draft, so any defensive additions are going to be guys fighting for special team time.  
   
4. Get your QB and the receivers will rise to the occasion.  I think that with Lee coming back from injury, and young guys like Westbrook and Chark, we should be able to move forward with that group.  I do have some concerns about the TE position because the team is hurting there right now.  That may be an area that we look at doing something in the draft if we can land a guy who fits with whatever the new offensive scheme will be.
   
5. Yes.  You keep Fournette until he proves he's a wasted pick.  I think pulling his guaranteed money will most likely motivate him to step up his game.  At least I hope so.  Trading him seems a little premature at this point.  With proper motivation, and perhaps some mentoring by someone like Fred Taylor, he can turn the corner.  But, if we're trading him, I the best we could anticipate is maybe a 3rd or 4th...maybe?  This team won't even sniff in Hunt's direction.  Not with Tom Coughlin at the helm.  They'll look for options in the draft, or even rookie free agency.  Guys can be found who can contribute.  With the cap situation what it is right now, they're not going to take on any more big contracts, especially at RB. 
   

(12-31-2018, 03:07 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]So this is bascially asking how do we fix this  team that Dave/Tom built.  

The truth is I don't know if there is a quick fix available in a short time frame.  We are up against the wall with the cap. The short answer is to change for a defensive minded team to an offensive minded team.  

Here are the facts.

The Jags just finished with the 2nd best pass defensive team in 2018 and 5th overall best defense.   Being that good only resulted in a 5-11 record.

3 out of the top 5 offense's in 2018 are legit superbowl contenders.  That's why I would be willing to part with any defender if the price was right.  The rules are bent heavily towards the offense.  It is time to start building on that side of the ball.

(01-07-2019, 07:50 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]It's not complicated.

Bortles was Dave's guy.  110%  Even before he let the rest of the staff weigh in.

Dave deserves to go down with the QB.

Put someone in the position who has a proven track record.

Dave doesn't have that.

(01-07-2019, 11:53 PM)nate Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-31-2018, 03:07 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]So this is bascially asking how do we fix this  team that Dave/Tom built.  

The truth is I don't know if there is a quick fix available in a short time frame.  We are up against the wall with the cap. The short answer is to change for a defensive minded team to an offensive minded team.  

Here are the facts.

The Jags just finished with the 2nd best pass defensive team in 2018 and 5th overall best defense.   Being that good only resulted in a 5-11 record.

3 out of the top 5 offense's in 2018 are legit superbowl contenders.  That's why I would be willing to part with any defender if the price was right.  The rules are bent heavily towards the offense.  It is time to start building on that side of the ball.

I find this to puzzling, especially in light of the fact that the team---with that awful offense---still lost 6 games by 6 points or less.

Also, I bear in mind that every trend sees a swing back in due time.  Personally, I believe the team tried to be on the front end of that trend last year, and hoped to continue that, when the Line folded, 27 injured, 30 going out as the change of pace, Bortles regresses, and no threats at all on offense develop like the year before.

(01-08-2019, 12:58 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-07-2019, 07:50 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]It's not complicated.

Bortles was Dave's guy.  110%  Even before he let the rest of the staff weigh in.

Dave deserves to go down with the QB.

Put someone in the position who has a proven track record.

Dave doesn't have that.

(12-30-2018, 09:22 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Now that we know the front office triumvirate of Coughlin Caldwell and Marrone are slated to return to try to get this team back on a winning track, it is understandable and predictable that many are upset with the decision.

Knowing your bloodlust will not be sated with their jobs this year, what steps would you take to return this team to the playoffs in 2019?

Specifically:

1.  Knowing we are picking 7th in the draft, how would you address the QB situation?  Would you go strictly with a veteran QB?  If so, who?  Would you be willing to trade for a vet?  What are you willing to give up to get him?  Would you obtain a veteran QB to be a placeholder and draft a rookie QB?  If so, which veteran and which rookie?  Do you go specifically and primarily with a rookie signal caller?  At what point in the draft do you draft a QB?  Why?  Are you willing to trade up to get him?  If so, how far up are you willing to deal, and what are you willing to give up to get him?

i would wait and pick a QB in rd two if grier is available or someone with good arm strength and accuracy.  Dont know too much about this class besides its weak and everyone i liked in the past 2 drafts at QB have looked good.  I would take the OT Jonah Williams at 7 if available and replace parnell with either Cam moving over to the right or Jonah.....Still upset because im reminded by a KC fan at work everyday about Mahomes because he knew i wanted him and Baker Mayfield is making me look good still till this day.

2.  I have argued the main thing that sabotaged the team this year was injuries, specifically to the offensive line.  NYCJags has argued (not calling him out) the team did not provide sufficient depth along the OL to withstand the carnage to the team we saw this past season.  I believe there is some merit to that argument.  What would you do to fix the OL going into next season?  Keep in mind, Parnell is likely to be gone, and Cann is a free agent.  So you must come out of this offseason with no fewer than two starting caliber OL, and that's not even considering the depth requirements.  Also be mindful of the team's salary cap situation and the need for at least one, maybe two signal callers.  How do you re-stock and upgrade the offensive line and depth?  How many draft picks do you allocate to this area?  Which players would you like to see?  What about the players not leaving but returning from injury like Cam Robinson, Norwell and Linder? 

The left side of the OL is decent but RG and RT need to be addressed and should have been last offseason.  Caldwell needs to go for that alone because we are literally asking the same exact questions as last yr.

3.  What about replacements for departing defensive players like Malik Jackson and Barry Church?  Do you allocate any picks to the defensive side of the ball?  Do you think we have sufficient depth there?  Bryan and Ronnie are decent and we need to trade or cut Malik whichever is cheapest.   We do need another DT for depth tho and either keep wilson for backup SS or go FA.

4.  What about WR and TE?  It seems like it's been forever since we've had a guy who can command a defense's attention from the Y position, and almost as long since we've had a true stud # 1 WR.   How much attention do you give those positions?  Do you put off adequately stocking those positions in the hunt for a QB and stockpiling OL depth and starters?  Still no true #1 same as last offseason and no receiving TE threat.  GET ONE IN THE DRAFT OR FA FOR THE 2ND YEAR IN A ROW.

5.  What do you do at RB?  Do you keep or dump Fournette?  If you desire to trade him away, what is the minimum amount you would take for him in trade?  Do you replace him with Kareem Hunt or allocate a draft pick to replace him?  What about Yeldon's and Grant's replacements? Hate me, but i'll trade fournette to get a playmaker on offense at either TE or WR.....with my minimum being a True Number 1 under 30 or a 1st rounder with a 2nd from us included with fournette. 
RBs can be picked up via the draft and i wanted mixon anyways but politics.  On that note still happy about DEDE but mad we took one women beater and not both.

I respectfully ask for specific detailed responses to these questions.

(01-09-2019, 10:12 AM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-30-2018, 09:22 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Now that we know the front office triumvirate of Coughlin Caldwell and Marrone are slated to return to try to get this team back on a winning track, it is understandable and predictable that many are upset with the decision.

Knowing your bloodlust will not be sated with their jobs this year, what steps would you take to return this team to the playoffs in 2019?

Specifically:

1.  Knowing we are picking 7th in the draft, how would you address the QB situation?  Would you go strictly with a veteran QB?  If so, who?  Would you be willing[url=https://www.duvalpride.com/newreply.php?tid=29650&replyto=1182293][/url] to trade for a vet?  What are you willing to give up to get him?  Would you obtain a veteran QB to be a placeholder and draft a rookie QB?  If so, which veteran and which rookie?  Do you go specifically and primarily with a rookie signal caller?  At what point in the draft do you draft a QB?  Why?  Are you willing to trade up to get him?  If so, how far up are you willing to deal, and what are you willing to give up to get him?

i would wait and pick a QB in rd two if grier is available or someone with good arm strength and accuracy.  Dont know too much about this class besides its weak and everyone i liked in the past 2 drafts at QB have looked good.  I would take the OT Jonah Williams at 7 if available and replace parnell with either Cam moving over to the right or Jonah.....Still upset because im reminded by a KC fan at work everyday about Mahomes because he knew i wanted him and Baker Mayfield is making me look good still till this day.

2.  I have argued the main thing that sabotaged the team this year was injuries, specifically to the offensive line.  NYCJags has argued (not calling him out) the team did not provide sufficient depth along the OL to withstand the carnage to the team we saw this past season.  I believe there is some merit to that argument.  What would you do to fix the OL going into next season?  Keep in mind, Parnell is likely to be gone, and Cann is a free agent.  So you must come out of this offseason with no fewer than two starting caliber OL, and that's not even considering the depth requirements.  Also be mindful of the team's salary cap situation and the need for at least one, maybe two signal callers.  How do you re-stock and upgrade the offensive line and depth?  How many draft picks do you allocate to this area?  Which players would you like to see?  What about the players not leaving but returning from injury like Cam Robinson, Norwell and Linder? 

The left side of the OL is decent but RG and RT need to be addressed and should have been last offseason.  Caldwell needs to go for that alone because we are literally asking the same exact questions as last yr.

3.  What about replacements for departing defensive players like Malik Jackson and Barry Church?  Do you allocate any picks to the defensive side of the ball?  Do you think we have sufficient depth there?  Bryan and Ronnie are decent and we need to trade or cut Malik whichever is cheapest.   We do need another DT for depth tho and either keep wilson for backup SS or go FA.

4.  What about WR and TE?  It seems like it's been forever since we've had a guy who can command a defense's attention from the Y position, and almost as long since we've had a true stud # 1 WR.   How much attention do you give those positions?  Do you put off adequately stocking those positions in the hunt for a QB and stockpiling OL depth and starters?  Still no true #1 same as last offseason and no receiving TE threat.  GET ONE IN THE DRAFT OR FA FOR THE 2ND YEAR IN A ROW.

5.  What do you do at RB?  Do you keep or dump Fournette?  If you desire to trade him away, what is the minimum amount you would take for him in trade?  Do you replace him with Kareem Hunt or allocate a draft pick to replace him?  What about Yeldon's and Grant's replacements? Hate me, but i'll trade fournette to get a playmaker on offense at either TE or WR.....with my minimum being a True Number 1 under 30 or a 1st rounder with a 2nd from us included with fournette. 
RBs can be picked up via the draft and i wanted mixon anyways but politics.  On that note still happy about DEDE but mad we took one women beater and not both.

(01-09-2019, 10:58 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]1.  If this QB class is weak, what makes you think there will be a QB in round 2 that will be worth drafting.  QBs with strong and accurate arms tend to be off the board in the second round.  When guys fall, there are usually some sort of concern.  With Montana, Brees and Russell Wilson fell to the 2nd round and below, there were concerns about their size.  When Brett Favre fell to the 2nd round in 1991, he fell because of injuries sustained in an automobile accident, which required removal of some of his intestines.  http://www.thepostgame.com/brett-favre-s...cident-dui.  See also:  https://www.clarionledger.com/story/spor.../92472748/.  Considering the Patriots, Chargers, Raiders, and Packers all have late round picks, QBs in their late 30's or early 40s and no real prospects to groom behind their starters, a guy like Grier could easily be snapped up before our pick in the 2nd.  Does Williams' performance in the championship game give you pause about your alternative to QB pick in the first round?   Cam has never played RT.  If Williams' power is a problem, it could impact his ability to play LT effectively (as we learned from Joeckel), to say nothing of RT (which is much more of a power position).  Honestly, i really wouldnt draft a QB to be a starter right away because i dont believe in any in this class like that.  I like Grier because he has been decent during his college career but just feel last year was the QB year for us.  I would pick up OL, WR, and TE in this draft as all top priorities and take care of the QB situation in FA.  Noone is going to be the Franchise this offseason and we need a better back up than cody and a better starter than blake.  I'd move BB5 to backup if a vet does better in training camp an wait for the franchise in a futuer draft.  

As far as Jonah, i see your point.  I thought richardson was the future replacement for Parnell but havent heard too much about his development this past year to see if he is in the works or just depth for the long term.  I just feel really concerned about the right side but they have been serviceable up til this point, barring no injuries.   I just know we have no depth again and i also wanted hernandez and remember tweeting about it during the late first @ the Jaguars and saw him get swept up.  I also wanted hurst or geseki(think thats the wrong spelling) and the other tight end the ravens got.  We picked none and i just scratched my head.

2.  Last offseason we were coming off a season where we led the league in rushing and registered a league and franchise low 24 sacks.  While you could make the argument we should have drafted Hernandez (a guy I wanted), OL was not exactly a crying need based upon the team's performance in 2017.  These weren't exactly the same questions we were asking last year.

3.  Harrison can be presumed to be decent or better.  Bryan?  What has he done to date to warrant that?  Maybe he develops into that player, and certainly it is the FO's hope he does, but I don't think he is an upgrade or even swap with Malik Jackson or even Abry Jones at this point.  Bryan isnt a replacement as far as production but i feel since we need to build up the offense then malik is too much of a cap hit to keep.  we already have an aging dareus and campbell who should be gone in 2 to 3 years so we can draft depth or a better starter as the years progress.  Dont know who is cap friendly in FA this year so maybe draft one in the mid rounds.

4.  So where in the draft are you going to get this "true #1?"  You've allocated the first rounder to QB or OL and the 2nd rounder to QB.  Wile guys like Terrell Owens, John Taylor and Hines Ward were found in the 3rd round or later, they didn't have to be #1 WRs out of the box.  They had to develop into those guys.  T.O and John Taylor had a guy named Jerry Rice as the #1.  As for free agency, what stud #1 will be available and affordable, given our cap situation?  Do you sign the FA WR at the expense of a veteran QB?  Do you go into next season with the rookie as the unquestioned starter?  What if he isn't ready to assume that role?  Do you waste what would still be a very good defense with an inexperienced QB taken from a "weak" QB class?  If i had a taker, i would sacrifice a second plus fournette to grab another first and get brown or metcalf to groom.  Oak has 3 and we could hopefully fleece one but probably not.  i can dream right.

5.  You do realize that you would have a relatively small market for a power back like Fournette, don't you?  The tacks already have Henry, and they wouldn't trade within the division (neither would we).  Dallas already has Ezekiel Elliott, and was hard up enough for WR they traded this year's first round pick for Amari Cooper.  The Steelers have traditionally used power backs and they have a #1 WR that looks more expendable.  Several problems with this scenario.  1.  Both the Jaguars and the Steelers are looking to get rid of toxic locker room presences.  The only thing this trade would accomplish from that perspective is swap one (Fournette) for another (Brown).  2. James Connor looked pretty good in LeVeon Bell's absence, and he is a lot cheaper than Fournette would be.  3.  Brown is 30 years old and would soon be on the decline.  Furthermore, his deal would be cost prohibitive.  You should've been in the discussion at work yesterday because we were talking about this with a die hard steelers fan who's upset.  Trading fournette and maybe a DT or TGip for Antonio and getting bell via FA.  That way we free up some cap room and can solidify our WR1 and RB position for a good while, and also turning focus to the QB, OL, and TE position primarily.  I like Abry so i feel Him, Dareus, and Bryan will be ok for now while picking up another via the Draft or FA for added depth.  It may not be an immediate fix but i think it will be a hell of alot better than what we have now.  Again, i can dream right.

(01-07-2019, 07:50 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]It's not complicated.

Bortles was Dave's guy.  110%  Even before he let the rest of the staff weigh in.

Dave deserves to go down with the QB.

Put someone in the position who has a proven track record.

Dave doesn't have that.

(01-07-2019, 07:50 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]It's not complicated.

Bortles was Dave's guy.  110%  Even before he let the rest of the staff weigh in.

Dave deserves to go down with the QB.

Put someone in the position who has a proven track record.

Dave doesn't have that.