(12-31-2018, 02:56 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018, 02:47 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I was debating about trading Telvin Smith. He looked bad in pass coverage this season and he's just smaller than I'd like. Can we trade him without taking a cap hit though? If we can, I'd do it and move Jack to WLB and bring in a true MLB with size/speed.
Trade him and take whatever cap hit is left on our books. He's a SS playing WLB, at 215 pounds has been an absolute liability this year. He seems to always be in coverage when we're getting torched over the middle for those short/medium gains. He starts plays flat footed, misses gaps, and overshoots assignments, will outright whiff tackles (see Watson's TD last sunday, and Derrick Henry's runs) All i hear about is our "speed at LB" yet we're constantly getting killed by mobile qb's getting to the edge. Yea he gets a lot of tackles (but so did Kirk Morrison) and like Morrison a lot of his stops come on the wrongside of the Line of Scrimmage. He'll get the occasional defensive score, but that hardly makes up for all the plays missed in the game prior to that.
Myles Jack's "true position" is WLB. I think he'd THRIVE there especially if we draft a thumping middle linebacker to play alongside him. I'd trade Telvin now while teams remember his probowl season last year and think this year is an anomaly; if he has another subpar season he will have 0 trade value and we'll be stuck with a $10 million per year cap hit for a tweener player that isn't living up to his paycheck.
What amazes me is that people are so willing to just move on from Fournette after "one bad year" but completely ignore Telvin (who is THE problem with our LB corps/run defense frankly) and don't want to move on from him after "one bad year" and he has 3x the cap hit that Leonard does.
What amazes me is the amount of finger pointing that is going on at most of our good players in general. We had a year that had more injuries than I can remember from any season in recent memory but people are trying to put the blame on individuals rather than the circumstances. Yes Leonard/smith/Jackson/Gipson(the entire team really) had a down year but there was so much more that went into the outcome than one individual having bad stat lines.
Yeah I would prefer to trade anyone rather than cutting them. I think trading Telvin would be a good idea. He’s one of my all time favorite players ever but he hasn’t been very good this year and I don’t think he’s getting any better anytime soon. I have overlooked his bad play because he was young and passionate bit linebacker is our biggest weakness on defense.
(12-31-2018, 02:56 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018, 02:47 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I was debating about trading Telvin Smith. He looked bad in pass coverage this season and he's just smaller than I'd like. Can we trade him without taking a cap hit though? If we can, I'd do it and move Jack to WLB and bring in a true MLB with size/speed.
Trade him and take whatever cap hit is left on our books. He's a SS playing WLB, at 215 pounds has been an absolute liability this year. He seems to always be in coverage when we're getting torched over the middle for those short/medium gains. He starts plays flat footed, misses gaps, and overshoots assignments, will outright whiff tackles (see Watson's TD last sunday, and Derrick Henry's runs) All i hear about is our "speed at LB" yet we're constantly getting killed by mobile qb's getting to the edge. Yea he gets a lot of tackles (but so did Kirk Morrison) and like Morrison a lot of his stops come on the wrongside of the Line of Scrimmage. He'll get the occasional defensive score, but that hardly makes up for all the plays missed in the game prior to that.
Myles Jack's "true position" is WLB. I think he'd THRIVE there especially if we draft a thumping middle linebacker to play alongside him. I'd trade Telvin now while teams remember his probowl season last year and think this year is an anomaly; if he has another subpar season he will have 0 trade value and we'll be stuck with a $10 million per year cap hit for a tweener player that isn't living up to his paycheck.
What amazes me is that people are so willing to just move on from Fournette after "one bad year" but completely ignore Telvin (who is THE problem with our LB corps/run defense frankly) and don't want to move on from him after "one bad year" and he has 3x the cap hit that Leonard does.
It's not just that he had a bad year, it's the games missed that bother me. Last season Fournette was knicked up and this year he missed half the season and he had a history of injuries in college. He's only been in the NFL 2 years. That doesn't seem to bode well for the rest of his career. The so called, "bad attitude" doesn't bother me as much. I just think that is Coughlin being Coughlin, but if you have a top 10 pick invested in a RB and he can't stay healthy, what's the point? In my opinion, RB's are only as good as the O-Line and if you have a subpar O-Line, you better have a durable RB. Hopefully we can make this line a lot better in 2019, but I'm not expecting miracles. Most of the starters will be returning from season ending injuries and we'll probably get off to a slow start with that unit. I just can't see Fournette withstanding another beating.
(12-31-2018, 02:56 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018, 02:47 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I was debating about trading Telvin Smith. He looked bad in pass coverage this season and he's just smaller than I'd like. Can we trade him without taking a cap hit though? If we can, I'd do it and move Jack to WLB and bring in a true MLB with size/speed.
Trade him and take whatever cap hit is left on our books. He's a SS playing WLB, at 215 pounds has been an absolute liability this year. He seems to always be in coverage when we're getting torched over the middle for those short/medium gains. He starts plays flat footed, misses gaps, and overshoots assignments, will outright whiff tackles (see Watson's TD last sunday, and Derrick Henry's runs) All i hear about is our "speed at LB" yet we're constantly getting killed by mobile qb's getting to the edge. Yea he gets a lot of tackles (but so did Kirk Morrison) and like Morrison a lot of his stops come on the wrongside of the Line of Scrimmage. He'll get the occasional defensive score, but that hardly makes up for all the plays missed in the game prior to that.
Myles Jack's "true position" is WLB. I think he'd THRIVE there especially if we draft a thumping middle linebacker to play alongside him. I'd trade Telvin now while teams remember his probowl season last year and think this year is an anomaly; if he has another subpar season he will have 0 trade value and we'll be stuck with a $10 million per year cap hit for a tweener player that isn't living up to his paycheck.
What amazes me is that people are so willing to just move on from Fournette after "one bad year" but completely ignore Telvin (who is THE problem with our LB corps/run defense frankly) and don't want to move on from him after "one bad year" and he has 3x the cap hit that Leonard does.
Are you an LSU fan?
I mean, I just don't get the blind love for this loser RB.
Here is a list of all the Free Agents on the JAGS roster. Was surprised we are going to have to sign Lambo. There are a few others i think we need to resign as well, Bohannon,Shatley maybe mickens.
![[Image: img_0436.jpg?w=1000]](https://usatjaguarswire.files.wordpress.com/2018/12/img_0436.jpg?w=1000)
The Jags have to create at least $20M in cap space for the draft class and the signing of cheap free agents throughout 2019 (to replace injured players). In order to sign any of these UFAs, they have to cut players on the roster.
I seriously doubt they cut Fournette after investing the #4 pick on him. The FO might be mad at him, but that will pass and he's the best RB on the roster.
Hyde is overpaid as a backup RB. That's nearly $5 M in cap room. Malik Jackson is gone - that's $11M in cap room. The Jags drafted Richardson to replace Parnell, so cutting Parnell saves $6M.
Those moves alone free up your $20M in cap space. Add in another $4M by cutting Bortles.
The problem then becomes signing a veteran QB. or rolling with a rookie? If you sign a vet QB, it's going to cost at least $10 M which means even more cuts to the roster.
The spending spree last year - Moncrief, Norwell, Lee, Bortles - is going to really hurt this roster and with a much tougher schedule, it's hard to see a winning record.
(12-31-2018, 07:32 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]The Jags have to create at least $20M in cap space for the draft class and the signing of cheap free agents throughout 2019 (to replace injured players). In order to sign any of these UFAs, they have to cut players on the roster.
I seriously doubt they cut Fournette after investing the #4 pick on him. The FO might be mad at him, but that will pass and he's the best RB on the roster.
Hyde is overpaid as a backup RB. That's nearly $5 M in cap room. Malik Jackson is gone - that's $11M in cap room. The Jags drafted Richardson to replace Parnell, so cutting Parnell saves $6M.
Those moves alone free up your $20M in cap space. Add in another $4M by cutting Bortles.
The problem then becomes signing a veteran QB. or rolling with a rookie? If you sign a vet QB, it's going to cost at least $10 M which means even more cuts to the roster.
The spending spree last year - Moncrief, Norwell, Lee, Bortles - is going to really hurt this roster and with a much tougher schedule, it's hard to see a winning record.
What’s the cap ramifications of cutting Norwell?
(12-31-2018, 07:36 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018, 07:32 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]The Jags have to create at least $20M in cap space for the draft class and the signing of cheap free agents throughout 2019 (to replace injured players). In order to sign any of these UFAs, they have to cut players on the roster.
I seriously doubt they cut Fournette after investing the #4 pick on him. The FO might be mad at him, but that will pass and he's the best RB on the roster.
Hyde is overpaid as a backup RB. That's nearly $5 M in cap room. Malik Jackson is gone - that's $11M in cap room. The Jags drafted Richardson to replace Parnell, so cutting Parnell saves $6M.
Those moves alone free up your $20M in cap space. Add in another $4M by cutting Bortles.
The problem then becomes signing a veteran QB. or rolling with a rookie? If you sign a vet QB, it's going to cost at least $10 M which means even more cuts to the roster.
The spending spree last year - Moncrief, Norwell, Lee, Bortles - is going to really hurt this roster and with a much tougher schedule, it's hard to see a winning record.
What’s the cap ramifications of cutting Norwell?
He's not cuttable (if that's such a word).
$25M dead money hit, and cutting him actually costs you $9M in cap space. You can't really cut Norwell until 2020. Most of the Jags contracts are designed that way, after 2 years you can cut the player and create cap space, but not before.
(12-31-2018, 04:26 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]Here is a list of all the Free Agents on the JAGS roster. Was surprised we are going to have to sign Lambo. There are a few others i think we need to resign as well, Bohannon,Shatley maybe mickens.
Good thing is they're all just a bunch of guys. Outside of Patmon, Flowers, and maybe Shatley they're all replaceable. Considering Grant's injury I can't justify putting him on the short list. Does anyone remember Tavian Banks?
the one thing we’re good at
getting out of contracts quick after we over pay lmao
(12-31-2018, 08:39 PM)ramseyx20 Wrote: [ -> ]the one thing we’re good at
getting out of contracts quick after we over pay lmao
When you have to do it so much it becomes second nature lol
(12-31-2018, 04:26 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ]Here is a list of all the Free Agents on the JAGS roster. Was surprised we are going to have to sign Lambo. There are a few others i think we need to resign as well, Bohannon,Shatley maybe mickens.
Tanner Lee looks real good for a man of his vintage...?