What I remember is comments like how surprisingly well Cam did as a rookie having to start.
Then he gets injured.
I am a little concerned about our overall fitness, conditioning, nutrition programs. I mean I know with mass and torque joints are stressed and can easily hyperextend especially if off balance. I hope Marrone addresses this.
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(01-03-2019, 10:13 AM)Shelley Thompson Wrote: [ -> ]What I remember is comments like how surprisingly well Cam did as a rookie having to start.
Then he gets injured.
I am a little concerned about our overall fitness, conditioning, nutrition programs. I mean I know with mass and torque joints are stressed and can easily hyperextend especially if off balance. I hope Marrone addresses this.
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Injuries happen. The same training staff that enjoyed unprecedented health in 2017 saw a rash of injuries this year that were devastating.
Not buying the negativity on Cam Robinson.
I bet he starts at LT in 2019 and shows improvement.
His play as a rookie was not as bad as is suggested by some website whose ratings system for O-Line is constantly called into question.
We'll see what the kid has put together in September. Writing him off now is premature like so much of the player "evaluation" on this board.
If the team drafts a LT early and let's them compete, that's great, but I doubt that happens.
When people that sat through watching Josh Walker and Flowers at LT for us this season talking smack about Cam Robinson.
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In his... 17 starts or something he isn't a HOF yet?
Crazy.... wasted 2nd round pick bust!!
(Help isn't on the way kids, OT isn't exactly strong in this draft from what I've been reading. The best OT might be Jonah Williams, and many think he's best suited for RT in the NFL)
OL guys coming from college often need to be developed and usually have to add/lose the right kind of weight.
If anything the injury and lost season probably does more good for Cam than anything in that thought.... assuming he recovers just fine with the knee, which he should.
I'm glad I visit a lot less often when there isn't any Jags games some of you people really make my head hurt.
Cam had a terrible 4 game stretch after this happened to him his rookie season:
https://twitter.com/BigCatCountry/status...56256?s=19
Before and since then he's looked pretty servicible to me. They gave up 24 sacks in 2017. Who here wouldn't sign up for that if you could lock that number in over the next 6 years?
(01-02-2019, 11:05 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2019, 09:32 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't remember Cam being that bad, felt like we had a significant drop off on the left side when he went out. then again this whole season is a blur at this point.
I don't think there was a drop off when Wells was subbed in, but there was a big drop off after he got hurt and then Walker and Flowers had to play.
Cam was a huge part of our run blocking last year, dude was a mauler. He looked shaky over the summer but late in preseason and the first two games he stepped up his game before the injury. I agree with the above that he's likely the best LT we've had here in quite some time and at least as good as Monroe was.
I also agree with the quoted post that there was virtually no dropoff when Wells had to play. I think that Wells could end up being the RT of the future, when he was briefly recalled from IR he looked good and comfortable there before he was concussed and sent back to IR.
(01-03-2019, 11:13 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]His play as a rookie was not as bad as is suggested by some website whose ratings system for O-Line is constantly called into question.
It's funny cause the normal push back you get if you say anything about PFF is that their grading is awful (particularly for oline), but their charting and advanced stats are good. Well, I guess that is not even the case anymore huh.
(also, I bet their grading will be good again when people notice Calais was the top rated EDGE player in the league this year)
(01-03-2019, 03:28 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]Cam had a terrible 4 game stretch after this happened to him his rookie season:
It wasn't just a 4 game stretch. He gave up 3 or more pressures in 10 different games last year.
(01-03-2019, 03:47 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ][quote='NYC4jags' pid='1184735' dateline='1546528386']
His play as a rookie was not as bad as is suggested by some website whose ratings system for O-Line is constantly called into question.
It's funny cause the normal push back you get if you say anything about PFF is that their grading is awful (particularly for oline), but their charting and advanced stats are good. Well, I guess that is not even the case anymore huh.
(also, I bet their grading will be good again when people notice Calais was the top rated EDGE player in the league this year)
Yawn. We’ve hashed this out before. Do you really want to go through the same song and dance again.
I’m bored with it.
I going to value the opinions I create by watching football players play football games over PFF ratings.
You can continue to assimilate yours from twitter.
The kid has a small sample and he’s young. You can write him off all you want. I’m going to wait and find out what kind of player he is. I think you’ve jumped the gun.
(01-03-2019, 03:47 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2019, 11:13 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]His play as a rookie was not as bad as is suggested by some website whose ratings system for O-Line is constantly called into question.
It's funny cause the normal push back you get if you say anything about PFF is that their grading is awful (particularly for oline), but their charting and advanced stats are good. Well, I guess that is not even the case anymore huh.
(also, I bet their grading will be good again when people notice Calais was the top rated EDGE player in the league this year)
(01-03-2019, 03:28 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]Cam had a terrible 4 game stretch after this happened to him his rookie season:
It wasn't just a 4 game stretch. He gave up 3 or more pressures in 10 different games last year.
Why don't you post those stats for us then. Let's see where the bulk of those pressures occurred.
(01-03-2019, 04:18 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]Why don't you post those stats for us then. Let's see where the bulk of those pressures occurred.
I don't keep some folder with everything saved in it forever. As NYC said we've been over this before. I've posted my evidence plenty of times if you want to go back and look. Or you can not believe it and we'll just cross our fingers that Cam gets a lot better. Not like it matters either way.
(01-02-2019, 10:55 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2019, 09:32 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't remember Cam being that bad, felt like we had a significant drop off on the left side when he went out. then again this whole season is a blur at this point.
Bingo.
He may not be a top 3 tackle but he has potential to be a top 12 guy. And that’s not too shabby for a 2nd round pick.
Wrong!
Wells was just as good if not better. It wasn't until the 3rd and 4th string guys start playing did the line implode.
(01-02-2019, 11:29 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2019, 11:09 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]There was a big drop off in the run game when Cam got hurt. Wells is good in pass pro but gets no push in the run
So it sounds like you would support the idea of moving Cam to RG to replace Cann if we could find another serviceable LT option.
I would. Cam is actually a decent run blocker. I do not trust him on the blind side.
(01-03-2019, 04:28 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2019, 04:18 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]Why don't you post those stats for us then. Let's see where the bulk of those pressures occurred.
I don't keep some folder with everything saved in it forever. As NYC said we've been over this before. I've posted my evidence plenty of times if you want to go back and look. Or you can not believe it and we'll just cross our fingers that Cam gets a lot better. Not like it matters either way.
You quoted and refuted me my guy. Back up your claim or don't directly quote me. If you're tired of going over it what are you doing in this thread?
I'll go ahead and reiterate. Did a rookie tackle give up some pressures on perhaps the leagues least dangerous passing game? A passing game in which for years the SOP was to crowd the line and pressure Bortles into mistakes? Yes and yes.
But he played significantly worse over a 4-6 game stretch while gutting it out on a bad ankle. It's measurable in both the eye test and the pressure stats. I, for one, won't lampoon the guy for sacrificing for the team when he easily could've sat those games out and made himself look a lot better in the stats department.
Personally I've like what I've seen out of Cam, and I'm encouraged that he still has room to improve on his technique. I feel like the offense is much better when Cam is starting than when he's not, and I have no issues with him starting at LT.
As for Eugene Monroe... I'll give Monroe the edge on agility as he was quick on his feet, but Cam is 10x the run blocker that Monroe was.
I like Cam. He has a mean streak in him and the blocking on that side of the line dropped off tremendously when he was absent. Can't wait to see him back out there this summer.
(01-04-2019, 03:34 AM)Jags02 Wrote: [ -> ]Personally I've like what I've seen out of Cam, and I'm encouraged that he still has room to improve on his technique. I feel like the offense is much better when Cam is starting than when he's not, and I have no issues with him starting at LT.
As for Eugene Monroe... I'll give Monroe the edge on agility as he was quick on his feet, but Cam is 10x the run blocker that Monroe was.
Monroe was about 25 lbs lighter, I think that was the difference. i talked with him a few times at church, he was built more like a power forward than a tackle IMO.
(01-02-2019, 09:20 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2019, 08:55 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Better than what we've had the past few years, and I include Monroe in that, too.
Cam led the league in pressures as a rookie, and was like 2nd in penalties. Then he had a rough preseason, a good week 1 against a Giants non existent pass rush sans Olivier Vernon, and then got blown the edit up by Trey Flowers so bad twice on like 4 snaps that they both got hurt week 2.
Sorry, but Monroe was a ton better. Cam has potential, but I don't think it's at tackle. I like him to replace Cann at RG, as I've said plenty.
Was Monroe as good in his second year? You're memory is pretty suspect if you believe this is the case.
Was the Oline ever as good with Monroe as it was last year with Cam? I think it is fair and reasonable to say that Cam is someone the Oline can build around. For that matter, if Cam is ONLY AS GOOD as he was his rookie year, that is serviceable enough in today's NFL. He gave up like 2 sacks last year.....
I'm sure there are people on here who hold him to a standard that is not reality based, such as the perception of Tyron Smith and Trent Williams for example. I saw Trent Williams with over half a dozen penalties this year, and Smith with like 10 penalties, at least. Smith's rookie year he gave up 9.5 sacks, and had several penalties.
They let him develop, had faith in his ability and LOW AND BEHOLD this year he had his best year and gave up zilch, but did have the penalties.
Now Williams on the other hand, he gave up 11.5 sacks his rookie year, and They let him develop, had faith in his ability and LOW AND BEHOLD this year he had his best year and gave up 3, but did have the penalties.
Nah, let's dump him, reboot and reboot and reboot and reboot and shoot for some unrealistic expectation based on players that don't perform like a lot pf people think they do.
BTW, Monroe gave up 9 sacks in 2011, which was like his 3rd year in the league.
Cam was a good pick. He can only go up from here.
Cam's fine. I'll take a Cam Robinson as a 2nd round LT every time. And yes, from what I saw of him as a rookie, I'll take him over Monroe.
Geez we got spoiled by Boselli.
(01-05-2019, 08:41 PM)anonymous2112 Wrote: [ -> ]Cam's fine. I'll take a Cam Robinson as a 2nd round LT every time. And yes, from what I saw of him as a rookie, I'll take him over Monroe.
Geez we got spoiled by Boselli.
Monroe struggled as a rookie but shined up until the time he was traded. Cam looked better than Monroe did through the same point of their careers. As long as Cam picks up where he left off we'll be fine.