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(01-23-2019, 09:00 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-23-2019, 01:54 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

I haven't made my way into a Mickey D's in the last couple of months, but I will say that those kiosks are awesome.

Bring your sanitary wipes with you.  The amount of fecal matter discovered on those things is scary.

(01-23-2019, 10:40 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-23-2019, 09:00 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]I haven't made my way into a Mickey D's in the last couple of months, but I will say that those kiosks are awesome.

Bring your sanitary wipes with you.  The amount of fecal matter discovered on those things is scary.

I make my wife push the buttons.

Real life example why this is so dangerous. I pay respectable wages to semi-entry level mechanics doing C-B grade tech work roughly $13-$15 an hour pending certifications and experience. I pay entry level tire guys $10-$12 an hour and I pay certified mechanics $20-$30 an hour. I have to collect $110 an hour to offset payroll cost, if they raise the entry level guy to $15 I have to raise the midgrade guys to at least $20 and the certified guys well over $30 I'd have to raise my labor rate to at least $130 to offset the increased wages and taxes. Now that's assuming my company oks the pay increases, some companies will simply say sorry about your luck you used to make $5-$6 over minimum wage but now you make minimum wage take it or leave it. As the cost of goods goes up that minimum wage is no longer as valuable. Who wins?

(01-23-2019, 11:22 PM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]Who wins?

(01-23-2019, 08:03 PM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-23-2019, 07:36 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]You are offering him $800 for one or two days work.
Assuming he worked alone, that's way above minimum wage.
The kind of people who are helped by the minimum wage are much more disadvantaged than him.
I wouldn't say they're all "stupid", not at all. some of them are mentally slow or they are on the borderline of being mentally slow. But that's just one way that somebody could end up being very disadvantaged in life.

I weirdly sort of agree with mikesez. There are people who are completely unable to negotiate a wage at all. Especially at the inexperienced end of the labor pool. But are these people actually able to work tho? I think thats a better question. The military has a cut off of I believe 83 IQ to be taken. Thats low, but there is still something like 10% of people below it. 

I think most of these people probably aren't working in the first place like J.W. but there is no way I think they could negiotiate a salary in the first place. I don't think they have a right to a certain level of income. But then again if you raise minimum wage you always contract the workforce at first, so maybe its better to just not do it.

The average American's IQ is 95. Lowest in the civilized world.

Ain't it great to be number 1 at something?

(01-23-2019, 08:03 PM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-23-2019, 07:36 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]You are offering him $800 for one or two days work.
Assuming he worked alone, that's way above minimum wage.
The kind of people who are helped by the minimum wage are much more disadvantaged than him.
I wouldn't say they're all "stupid", not at all. some of them are mentally slow or they are on the borderline of being mentally slow. But that's just one way that somebody could end up being very disadvantaged in life.

I weirdly sort of agree with mikesez. There are people who are completely unable to negotiate a wage at all. Especially at the inexperienced end of the labor pool. But are these people actually able to work tho? I think thats a better question. The military has a cut off of I believe 83 IQ to be taken. Thats low, but there is still something like 10% of people below it. 

I think most of these people probably aren't working in the first place like J.W. but there is no way I think they could negiotiate a salary in the first place. I don't think they have a right to a certain level of income. But then again if you raise minimum wage you always contract the workforce at first, so maybe its better to just not do it.

Odd that you include the military in your low IQ labor pool when IQ is not utilized as an enlistment or induction qualification or de qualification. There is some kind of stigma left over from your grandpa’s military. In general, the military population is better educated than the population it serves and it isn’t even close. But, the military is a microcosm of society and does have it’s share of people who can’t walk and chew gum at the same time. That is, until they get weeded out!

On topic...trying to make minimum wage a living wage is ridiculous. Why should folks be rewarded for not attempting to make themselves more relevant in the workplace? IE. A highschool diploma, Continuing education, a degree, or a certificate program. Minimum wage should be a low “ minimum” until you put forth effort to make yourself more desirable to the company you work for.

(01-24-2019, 09:54 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]The average American's IQ is 95. Lowest in the civilized world.

Hence, the results of our most recent Presidential Election.  Our low IQ was revealed to the World on election night.

(01-24-2019, 11:40 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-24-2019, 09:54 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]The average American's IQ is 95. Lowest in the civilized world.

Hence, the results of our most recent Presidential Election.  Our low IQ was revealed to the World on election night.

I think you can look well beyond Presidential Election night as proof of continued IQ degradation.

(01-24-2019, 11:40 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-24-2019, 09:54 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]The average American's IQ is 95. Lowest in the civilized world.

Hence, the results of our most recent Presidential Election.  Our low IQ was revealed to the World on election night.

There's never been a point in our history when we weren't the lowest on the scale.

Because we take all the turds no one else wants.

https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/gu...ssion=true

Good read

(01-24-2019, 09:31 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/gu...ssion=true

Good read

I'm not sure I like that concept, although it's been inevitable for a long time. 30M jobs lost to AI. For one, I don't know what the economy does with 30M people who've lost their job to a robot and lack the skills for a job a robot can't do. Do we fall into some kind of socialist hell where 25% of the country is unemployed and not going to be employed again anytime soon? Do salaries drop across the board because if I won't take $50k/yr for that senior managerial job, they bet the former McDonald's shift leader will? And, most concerningly, once the robots have conquered McDonald's, they'll go for the launch codes. Bang. Skynet.

(01-24-2019, 10:19 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-24-2019, 09:31 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/gu...ssion=true

Good read

I'm not sure I like that concept, although it's been inevitable for a long time. 30M jobs lost to AI. For one, I don't know what the economy does with 30M people who've lost their job to a robot and lack the skills for a job a robot can't do. Do we fall into some kind of socialist hell where 25% of the country is unemployed and not going to be employed again anytime soon? Do salaries drop across the board because if I won't take $50k/yr for that senior managerial job, they bet the former McDonald's shift leader will? And, most concerningly, once the robots have conquered McDonald's, they'll go for the launch codes. Bang. Skynet.

Democrats will love it. It will give them more ammunition for a "living wage" for all and make even more people rely on the government. 

I have been saying for years the federal government will implement a "robot tax" at some point.

Bottom line as it relates to this article, force employers to pay 15 an hour, AI will be fast tracked

(01-24-2019, 10:57 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-24-2019, 10:19 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure I like that concept, although it's been inevitable for a long time. 30M jobs lost to AI. For one, I don't know what the economy does with 30M people who've lost their job to a robot and lack the skills for a job a robot can't do. Do we fall into some kind of socialist hell where 25% of the country is unemployed and not going to be employed again anytime soon? Do salaries drop across the board because if I won't take $50k/yr for that senior managerial job, they bet the former McDonald's shift leader will? And, most concerningly, once the robots have conquered McDonald's, they'll go for the launch codes. Bang. Skynet.

Democrats will love it. It will give them more ammunition for a "living wage" for all and make even more people rely on the government. 

I have been saying for years the federal government will implement a "robot tax" at some point.

Bottom line as it relates to this article, force employers to pay 15 an hour, AI will be fast tracked

"Get a job!"
"There are no jobs! Your robots took them all!"
"Bet you wish you'd finished high school now, huh?"

And then WWIII happens. Not because of the socialist nightmare, but because the McDonald's kiosks have achieved sentience.

(01-24-2019, 11:03 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-24-2019, 10:57 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Democrats will love it. It will give them more ammunition for a "living wage" for all and make even more people rely on the government. 

I have been saying for years the federal government will implement a "robot tax" at some point.

Bottom line as it relates to this article, force employers to pay 15 an hour, AI will be fast tracked

"Get a job!"
"There are no jobs! Your robots took them all!"
"Bet you wish you'd finished high school now, huh?"

And then WWIII happens. Not because of the socialist nightmare, but because the McDonald's kiosks have achieved sentience.

Robots don't spit in your food, take smoke breaks, call in sick, or ask for 15 an hour.

Politicians floating minimum wage increases are pandering for votes. I’m assuming John Morgan will run for office st some point as his commercials often times sound like campaign ads.

Anyway, if you increase the minimum wage you increase the cost of labor for businesses that hire minimum wage labor. If you increase their cost of labor, you either increase the cost of their good or service or they lay off expendable employees which increases unemployment. Minimum wage increases should be tied to the inflation rate and left alone. Beware the politician that champions the idea and both sides are guilty of it.

(01-24-2019, 11:05 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-24-2019, 11:03 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]"Get a job!"
"There are no jobs! Your robots took them all!"
"Bet you wish you'd finished high school now, huh?"

And then WWIII happens. Not because of the socialist nightmare, but because the McDonald's kiosks have achieved sentience.

Robots don't spit in your food, take smoke breaks, call in sick, or ask for 15 an hour.

They also don't immediately hit the bottom line via operating expense like a human's salary does.  There's an advantage to being able to capitalize and depreciate.

(01-25-2019, 12:49 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Politicians floating minimum wage increases are pandering for votes.  I’m assuming John Morgan will run for office st some point as his commercials often times sound like campaign ads.  

Anyway, if you increase the minimum wage you increase the cost of labor for businesses that hire minimum wage labor.  If you increase their cost of labor, you either increase the cost of their good or service or they lay off expendable employees which increases unemployment.  Minimum wage increases should be tied to the inflation rate and left alone.  Beware the politician that champions the idea and both sides are guilty of it.

You'd hope most people would be aware of the facts you've stated. But part of being a politician is to offer actions that make people feel good. And people making $15.00 an hour feel better that those making $10.00. Perhaps they won't notice the incremental rise in costs of almost everything. Most people don't pay too much attention to the price of gas, for instance, because you have to pay it regardless of cost.

And I don't expect Morgan to run for office. He'd have to take a big drop in salary. And work harder.

(01-25-2019, 03:58 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-25-2019, 12:49 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Politicians floating minimum wage increases are pandering for votes.  I’m assuming John Morgan will run for office st some point as his commercials often times sound like campaign ads.  

Anyway, if you increase the minimum wage you increase the cost of labor for businesses that hire minimum wage labor.  If you increase their cost of labor, you either increase the cost of their good or service or they lay off expendable employees which increases unemployment.  Minimum wage increases should be tied to the inflation rate and left alone.  Beware the politician that champions the idea and both sides are guilty of it.

You'd hope most people would be aware of the facts you've stated. But part of being a politician is to offer actions that make people feel good. And people making $15.00 an hour feel better that those making $10.00. Perhaps they won't notice the incremental rise in costs of almost everything. Most people don't pay too much attention to the price of gas, for instance, because you have to pay it regardless of cost.

And I don't expect Morgan to run for office. He'd have to take a big drop in salary. And work harder.

He almost ran last year. He backed down once he saw the price tag and realized how much abuse he and his family were going to take in the process. For the record, I'll vote for just about anyone in favor of legalizing (and taxing the living out of) cannabis.

(01-25-2019, 04:01 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-25-2019, 03:58 PM)Adam2012 Wrote: [ -> ]You'd hope most people would be aware of the facts you've stated. But part of being a politician is to offer actions that make people feel good. And people making $15.00 an hour feel better that those making $10.00. Perhaps they won't notice the incremental rise in costs of almost everything. Most people don't pay too much attention to the price of gas, for instance, because you have to pay it regardless of cost.

And I don't expect Morgan to run for office. He'd have to take a big drop in salary. And work harder.

He almost ran last year. He backed down once he saw the price tag and realized how much abuse he and his family were going to take in the process. For the record, I'll vote for just about anyone in favor of legalizing (and taxing the living out of) cannabis.

He is making way too much money off the cast iron pipe lawsuit. Who ever thought that 100 year old pipes would go bad.

Where is the lawsuit for "30 year roofs" that last 20 years?

(01-25-2019, 04:31 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-25-2019, 04:01 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]He almost ran last year. He backed down once he saw the price tag and realized how much abuse he and his family were going to take in the process. For the record, I'll vote for just about anyone in favor of legalizing (and taxing the living out of) cannabis.

He is making way too much money off the cast iron pipe lawsuit. Who ever thought that 100 year old pipes would go bad.

Where is the lawsuit for "30 year roofs" that last 20 years?

Michael took care of that claim for me. [BLEEP].