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(01-27-2019, 09:54 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Before anybody says this is a dumb thread, it is. I know, but it’s the offseason and why not.

However, he does have long strides and speed to boot. I’m not sure how his hands are, but I would like to see him take an end around or maybe a streak up the sideline.

I remember Matt Jones played WR at the senior bowl, and the rest is history.

On another note, glad to see Ramsey got to score a TD on offense at the pro bowl. I saw where he kept the ball as that might be his only offensive TD ever. Also Campbell had a nice sack.

....never mind.

Finally, some logic which lends towards me being the coach.

(01-29-2019, 01:05 PM)Inziladun Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-28-2019, 10:23 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]He's a DB for a reason, he can't catch like  WR needs to be able to

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I never argued DB wasn't the position he should be playing, I mean he's playing it for a reason. But I'm sure he could play receiver too. I'm sure he could play professional basketball if he wanted to. I doubt in any case he'd be a fraction as good as he is playing DB however.

There was once a rather good basketball player who tried to play baseball...…..

Sounds like a lot of guys are too young to remember Deion Sanders (the player, not the commentator.)

Look, if the guy is good enough to contribute on both sides of the ball then there's no good reason not to put him out there a few plays. Especially if we keep getting the "production" we're getting at WR.

If he couldn't contribute at a high level or if it would take away his stamina and ability to finish games, then no. But I see that more of a WR skill question than an athletic one (I do think he has the stamina for it, he's an elite among elites.)

I don't buy in to the "risk" excuse. Anyone can get injured on any play, including celebration or non-contact activity.

As long as he can contribute without taking anything away from his defensive game, no problem.

(02-10-2019, 01:52 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds like a lot of guys are too young to remember Deion Sanders (the player, not the commentator.)

Look, if the guy is good enough to contribute on both sides of the ball then there's no good reason not to put him out there a few plays. Especially if we keep getting the "production" we're getting at WR.

If he couldn't contribute at a high level or if it would take away his stamina and ability to finish games, then no. But I see that more of a WR skill question than an athletic one (I do think he has the stamina for it, he's an elite among elites.)

I don't buy in to the "risk" excuse. Anyone can get injured on any play, including celebration or non-contact activity.

As long as he can contribute without taking anything away from his defensive game, no problem.

There is zero chance of this happening today. Kids are put into 1 sport way too much. They focus year round from high school and sometimes even earlier. Most of them play 1 position. They focus solely on that.

It hurts them because they can't adapt. They don't know how to play anything else. They have skilled athletic abilities, but too many are too focused and hurt their overall ceiling. If a DB understands how to play WR, they will understand how to better play CB. If they know how to play S, they will know where the holes in the defense are and what routes beat it.

Some players aren't capable mentally of it and others never do it.

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If the new OC wanted to bother to do it, it really wouldn't be a big deal to draw up a couple of gadget plays in which Ramsey is either a decoy or a targeted receiver. Something that might be used a half dozen times in a season.

The question is whether or not DeFilippo would see any advantage in including something like this in his playbook.

I imagine he'll be too focused on installing a whole new offense that may feature new starters at 4 positions to worry about gadgets for the star CB.

(02-10-2019, 03:18 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-10-2019, 01:52 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds like a lot of guys are too young to remember Deion Sanders (the player, not the commentator.)

Look, if the guy is good enough to contribute on both sides of the ball then there's no good reason not to put him out there a few plays.  Especially if we keep getting the "production" we're getting at WR.

If he couldn't contribute at a high level or if it would take away his stamina and ability to finish games, then no.  But I see that more of a WR skill question than an athletic one (I do think he has the stamina for it, he's an elite among elites.)

I don't buy in to the "risk" excuse.  Anyone can get injured on any play, including celebration or non-contact activity.

As long as he can contribute without taking anything away from his defensive game, no problem.

There is zero chance of this happening today. Kids are put into 1 sport way too much. They focus year round from high school and sometimes even earlier. Most of them play 1 position. They focus solely on that.

It hurts them because they can't adapt. They don't know how to play anything else. They have skilled athletic abilities, but too many are too focused and hurt their overall ceiling. If a DB understands how to play WR, they will understand how to better play CB. If they know how to play S, they will know where the holes in the defense are and what routes beat it.

Some players aren't capable mentally of it and others never do it.

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Most levels of play restricts the amount of practice time a team can have and each minute spent practicing as a WR is a minute spent not practicing as a DB. So coaches put them in single sports or positions because they'll fall behind if they don't focus their efforts. 

Even then there's plenty of kids in high school playing both ways or playing multiple sports because they're that far ahead physically. Ramsey himself played football and track & field  in high school and college.

Most players spend their time perfecting their craft at a position that they like and then achieve in (especially at this level}. To think they can turn on a dime to a new position that they never were critiqued in nor worked out at is almost always very hard to do if not impossible. After all, you must then be better at that new position as those that spent all their days working and or presently trying to play them.

(02-10-2019, 04:59 PM)DragonFury Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-10-2019, 03:18 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]There is zero chance of this happening today. Kids are put into 1 sport way too much. They focus year round from high school and sometimes even earlier. Most of them play 1 position. They focus solely on that.

It hurts them because they can't adapt. They don't know how to play anything else. They have skilled athletic abilities, but too many are too focused and hurt their overall ceiling. If a DB understands how to play WR, they will understand how to better play CB. If they know how to play S, they will know where the holes in the defense are and what routes beat it.

Some players aren't capable mentally of it and others never do it.

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Most levels of play restricts the amount of practice time a team can have and each minute spent practicing as a WR is a minute spent not practicing as a DB. So coaches put them in single sports or positions because they'll fall behind if they don't focus their efforts. 

Even then there's plenty of kids in high school playing both ways or playing multiple sports because they're that far ahead physically. Ramsey himself played football and track & field  in high school and college.

Agreed there is not enough time to practice for players to play both offense and defense in college.

For high schoolers the top athletes can play both sports, but it's only because they are just better than the rest of the players. When you start comparing them across the draft pool for baseball, the single sport players move ahead. If you don't make a choice by college, you will already be behind.

Those players would probably be better than the others that couldn't play multiple sports if they focused their time. The time just allows the lesser talent to pass them by.

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