(02-04-2019, 11:08 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (02-04-2019, 10:26 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Paying AR15 as a #1 receiver would have been a temporary band-aid, but would have only compounded this franchises' problems down the road.
I agree that retaining AR15 would not have been a panacea, but I don't see how keeping him would have compounded this team's problems down the road.
Perhaps the salary cap would have been a little worse, but other than that...I don't see it.
Well, my assumptions are more around actually having a competent FO. In hindsight, giving AR15 the 10M we gave Moncrief would have been money better well spent.
(02-03-2019, 03:51 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Over the years I've been posting on this board, I have been known for, among other things, my staunch advocacy of stability in the coaching positions.
Undoubtedly, that has caused many here interested in dumping the coaches to roll their eyes at my admonitions against firing this guy or the next.
But the turnover may have cost us a player we wanted to keep.
WR Allen Robinson indicated he was close to re-signing with the Jaguars, but the constant turnover was a factor in his wanting to leave.
Quote:“I’m going to be honest, for me and my career, yes, [a change was needed],” Robinson said. “Based off the simple fact that it’s tough in this league to play with numerous offensive coordinators and multiple coaches and that’s how I feel about Blake. […] [The situation with the Bears] wasn’t like my rookie year [in Jacksonville] where we had a different offensive coordinator in my second year, when we had a great year with coach Olly [Greg Olson]. Then six or seven games into the next year we fire coach Olly, and now we have interim coach [Nate] Hackett, then we fire coach [Gus] Bradley, now we have coach [Doug] Marrone, then they had Hackett for all of that year and fired him this past year. So as a player it’s tough, extremely tough.”
https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2019/02...-bowl-lii/
I do not suggest that coaching changes are never needed. Sometimes they are warranted...desperately so in some instances.
But I submit too often fans (and more importantly owners) can allow anger and disappointment to cloud their better judgment and make mistakes regarding coaching changes that can hurt a franchise.
So he's been there one year, and everything is stable. 10-4. The burrs lost their DC, and if Trubisky continues to look the part, and the team is winning, there's probably going to be turnover on the other side of the coaching staff, too. Will he complain about that situation, too?
(02-04-2019, 01:28 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2019, 03:51 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Over the years I've been posting on this board, I have been known for, among other things, my staunch advocacy of stability in the coaching positions.
Undoubtedly, that has caused many here interested in dumping the coaches to roll their eyes at my admonitions against firing this guy or the next.
But the turnover may have cost us a player we wanted to keep.
WR Allen Robinson indicated he was close to re-signing with the Jaguars, but the constant turnover was a factor in his wanting to leave.
https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2019/02...-bowl-lii/
I do not suggest that coaching changes are never needed. Sometimes they are warranted...desperately so in some instances.
But I submit too often fans (and more importantly owners) can allow anger and disappointment to cloud their better judgment and make mistakes regarding coaching changes that can hurt a franchise.
So he's been there one year, and everything is stable. 10-4. The burrs lost their DC, and if Trubisky continues to look the part, and the team is winning, there's probably going to be turnover on the other side of the coaching staff, too. Will he complain about that situation, too?
Perhaps.
But two distinctions...
1. If I understand correctly, the coaching staff changes would be on the defensive side of the ball. Indeed they already lost Fangio. That would not have a direct impact on Robinson.
2. The changes would be borne of success, not losing, which makes the changes easier to cope with.
(02-03-2019, 03:51 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Over the years I've been posting on this board, I have been known for, among other things, my staunch advocacy of stability in the coaching positions.
Undoubtedly, that has caused many here interested in dumping the coaches to roll their eyes at my admonitions against firing this guy or the next.
But the turnover may have cost us a player we wanted to keep.
WR Allen Robinson indicated he was close to re-signing with the Jaguars, but the constant turnover was a factor in his wanting to leave.
Quote:“I’m going to be honest, for me and my career, yes, [a change was needed],” Robinson said. “Based off the simple fact that it’s tough in this league to play with numerous offensive coordinators and multiple coaches and that’s how I feel about Blake. […] [The situation with the Bears] wasn’t like my rookie year [in Jacksonville] where we had a different offensive coordinator in my second year, when we had a great year with coach Olly [Greg Olson]. Then six or seven games into the next year we fire coach Olly, and now we have interim coach [Nate] Hackett, then we fire coach [Gus] Bradley, now we have coach [Doug] Marrone, then they had Hackett for all of that year and fired him this past year. So as a player it’s tough, extremely tough.”
https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2019/02...-bowl-lii/
I do not suggest that coaching changes are never needed. Sometimes they are warranted...desperately so in some instances.
But I submit too often fans (and more importantly owners) can allow anger and disappointment to cloud their better judgment and make mistakes regarding coaching changes that can hurt a franchise.
Absolutely. I tend to think that many fans look at the game through a "prism of a video game". There is never an "instant fix" for whatever ails a team. I think fans often confuse the "modern game" with how the game is played. Far too many people criticize the team for taking a "70's or 80's" approach to the game, yet we saw in this year's Super Bowl where a good defense and a good running game will win the ultimate prize.
A lot of the criticism in my opinion comes from the change in society. We have become an "instant gratification" society rather than a more patient and "work towards it" kind of society. A QB in the draft or a "star" WR or TE is not going to instantly turn the franchise around. It will take work and some time.
(02-03-2019, 03:51 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Over the years I've been posting on this board, I have been known for, among other things, my staunch advocacy of stability in the coaching positions.
Undoubtedly, that has caused many here interested in dumping the coaches to roll their eyes at my admonitions against firing this guy or the next.
But the turnover may have cost us a player we wanted to keep.
WR Allen Robinson indicated he was close to re-signing with the Jaguars, but the constant turnover was a factor in his wanting to leave.
Quote:“I’m going to be honest, for me and my career, yes, [a change was needed],” Robinson said. “Based off the simple fact that it’s tough in this league to play with numerous offensive coordinators and multiple coaches and that’s how I feel about Blake. […] [The situation with the Bears] wasn’t like my rookie year [in Jacksonville] where we had a different offensive coordinator in my second year, when we had a great year with coach Olly [Greg Olson]. Then six or seven games into the next year we fire coach Olly, and now we have interim coach [Nate] Hackett, then we fire coach [Gus] Bradley, now we have coach [Doug] Marrone, then they had Hackett for all of that year and fired him this past year. So as a player it’s tough, extremely tough.”
https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2019/02...-bowl-lii/
I do not suggest that coaching changes are never needed. Sometimes they are warranted...desperately so in some instances.
But I submit too often fans (and more importantly owners) can allow anger and disappointment to cloud their better judgment and make mistakes regarding coaching changes that can hurt a franchise.
I think it's common sense. Everyone (well, mostly everyone) wants stability and consistency in many, many facets of life. But as you pointed out. Most people get caught up in their emotions first and then settle down after awhile. And usually when we reflect on such things we either grow from it or we allow it to fester into something worse.
I do think we made a mistake holding onto Gus Bradley for as long as we did. I think we made a mistake holding onto Jack Del Rio for as long as we did. I think we made a mistake letting go of Tom Coughlin well before he was finished being a top notch football coach with the NFL. And I also think that maybe we didn't give Mike Mularkey a fair shake.
Still on the fence about Doug Marrone. But as I have aged and grown up a bit. I find it easier to be a fan when you just subtract your emotions from it all. Do I love this team? Certainly! Jacksonville has been my home for all 30 years of my existence thus far. It's all I know. But you take in the bad with the good. And I'll leave it at that.