(02-19-2019, 06:14 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ] (02-19-2019, 04:56 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]Coaches don't count against the cap and you never pass up a chance to improve yourself. I think Capers' schemes may suit our personal better anyway.
Haha. Yeah, not sure where I said coaches went against the cap. That is pretty elementary. Capital as in complete investment from players to coaches, to directors, etc. So your saying you think Wash is gone? Not sure Wash will be too open to adopting another coaches scheme and it would appear to be a big investment for just someone to bounce ideas off of.
Sorry, I was thinking that's what you meant when you asked why the team decided to hire him and then mentioned they'd already invested a ton on that side of the ball.
I dunno Wash is gone but wondering what they're going to do with an official DC and a "defensive assistant" of Capers' ability. As someone else mentioned, they might just ease him (Wash) out somewhere along the line or demote him. We'll see.
(02-19-2019, 04:31 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]I like the hire but one has to wonder WHY. The Jags defense has been top ten for a few years and a ton of capital has been invested on that side of the ball. Are the Jags putting too much emphasis on D while neglecting the O?
I don't follow. Capers is pals with Tom and gives him some eyes and ears on the defensive staff. He also has specific skills that could help thus defense and Wash expand a little (pressure packages and turnover creation)
I don't get why people want to move to a 3-4 at all, other than the fact that it might look more fun to have cool blitzs.
It cracks me up that people are so anxious to run Wash out the door. Two years as DC and has the #2 overall and #5 overall defense (despite have zero offense last year) and people are ready to run him out of town.
Too funny.
(02-20-2019, 08:10 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]It cracks me up that people are so anxious to run Wash out the door. Two years as DC and has the #2 overall and #5 overall defense (despite have zero offense last year) and people are ready to run him out of town.
Too funny.
Not run him out but you have to ask why the Jag's would bring in a senior level guy like that who's specialty is defense if you didn't see some room for improvement in that capacity.
(02-20-2019, 08:17 AM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2019, 08:10 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]It cracks me up that people are so anxious to run Wash out the door. Two years as DC and has the #2 overall and #5 overall defense (despite have zero offense last year) and people are ready to run him out of town.
Too funny.
Not run him out but you have to ask why the Jag's would bring in a senior level guy like that who's specialty is defense if you didn't see some room for improvement in that capacity.
Because he's friends with Tom, has tons of experience and his best attributes can help two specific areas we were bad at last year.
They aren't trying to demote Wash , just trying to improve the overall talent level of the coaching staff.
(02-20-2019, 08:17 AM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2019, 08:10 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]It cracks me up that people are so anxious to run Wash out the door. Two years as DC and has the #2 overall and #5 overall defense (despite have zero offense last year) and people are ready to run him out of town.
Too funny.
Not run him out but you have to ask why the Jag's would bring in a senior level guy like that who's specialty is defense if you didn't see some room for improvement in that capacity.
I already see two in this thread that are ready to dump him.
(02-19-2019, 03:54 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-19-2019, 12:47 PM)FBT Wrote: [ -> ]The team just announced Capers will be joining the coaching staff as a Senior Defensive Assistant.
Good move by the Jags. I'm surprised they didn't just go ahead and name him DC but I think his stamp on the defense will be felt immediately. With this much talent to work with I expect we'll be even better defensively.
I think they are actually happy with Wash. Despite perceptions, and breakdowns last year, the defense was ranked top 5 in the league. There's some cleaning up to do, but this is still one of the best units in the league. I think last year we saw what happens when the offense is so bad that they're constantly putting the defense in a bad position, or forcing them to be on the field longer than they should. Even the best defenses are going to have breakdowns in situations like that. Wash isn't coaching the offense, so I'm cutting him some slack based on where the defense finished the year. Still, an upgrade can only help, especially when it's someone with the reputation of Capers.
Wash is a good DC. Capers will be 69 years old this next season, and am sure he likes getting paid and assisting the defense without the full responsibility of the defense. He's a good fit in this role for Wash, Marone, and TC.
(02-19-2019, 07:44 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (02-19-2019, 04:31 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]I like the hire but one has to wonder WHY. The Jags defense has been top ten for a few years and a ton of capital has been invested on that side of the ball. Are the Jags putting too much emphasis on D while neglecting the O?
I don't follow. Capers is pals with Tom and gives him some eyes and ears on the defensive staff. He also has specific skills that could help thus defense and Wash expand a little (pressure packages and turnover creation)
I don't get why people want to move to a 3-4 at all, other than the fact that it might look more fun to have cool blitzs.
The 3-4 had more merit when it tricked coaches and players, I don't see that happening all that much in the last 10 years.
Also, as a 3-4 team, you used to be able to find real gems in the mid-rounds of drafts because you could draft smallish college DE's and turn them into 3-4 OLBs (see Joey Porter, Woodley, Gildon, Harrison) but now with so many more teams running a 3-4, there is far more competition for tweener DE's turning them into OLBs so there are less chances to find gems.
I would much rather have a dominant front 4 that gets pressure without blitzing than all the whooey high school crap of cute 3-4 blitzes, which do more harm than good. Now, when I see Pgh send blitzes, QBs calmly scan the field and find some wide open target. No one is intimidated by it any longer.
(02-20-2019, 04:50 PM)Steelers Beaches Wrote: [ -> ] (02-19-2019, 07:44 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I don't follow. Capers is pals with Tom and gives him some eyes and ears on the defensive staff. He also has specific skills that could help thus defense and Wash expand a little (pressure packages and turnover creation)
I don't get why people want to move to a 3-4 at all, other than the fact that it might look more fun to have cool blitzs.
The 3-4 had more merit when it tricked coaches and players, I don't see that happening all that much in the last 10 years.
Also, as a 3-4 team, you used to be able to find real gems in the mid-rounds of drafts because you could draft smallish college DE's and turn them into 3-4 OLBs (see Joey Porter, Woodley, Gildon, Harrison) but now with so many more teams running a 3-4, there is far more competition for tweener DE's turning them into OLBs so there are less chances to find gems.
I would much rather have a dominant front 4 that gets pressure without blitzing than all the whooey high school crap of cute 3-4 blitzes, which do more harm than good. Now, when I see Pgh send blitzes, QBs calmly scan the field and find some wide open target. No one is intimidated by it any longer.
The thing is, the Steelers have had coaching, FO and schematic continuity for decades.
They know exactly what the scheme requires, what the coaches look for in a player and how to stock those players. Even with that, they still miss on occasion (Bud Dupree, Artie Burns).
Imagine the trial and error approach to switching to a 3-4 after 25 years of running a 4-3.
(02-20-2019, 04:50 PM)Steelers Beaches Wrote: [ -> ] (02-19-2019, 07:44 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I don't follow. Capers is pals with Tom and gives him some eyes and ears on the defensive staff. He also has specific skills that could help thus defense and Wash expand a little (pressure packages and turnover creation)
I don't get why people want to move to a 3-4 at all, other than the fact that it might look more fun to have cool blitzs.
The 3-4 had more merit when it tricked coaches and players, I don't see that happening all that much in the last 10 years.
Also, as a 3-4 team, you used to be able to find real gems in the mid-rounds of drafts because you could draft smallish college DE's and turn them into 3-4 OLBs (see Joey Porter, Woodley, Gildon, Harrison) but now with so many more teams running a 3-4, there is far more competition for tweener DE's turning them into OLBs so there are less chances to find gems.
I would much rather have a dominant front 4 that gets pressure without blitzing than all the whooey high school crap of cute 3-4 blitzes, which do more harm than good. Now, when I see Pgh send blitzes, QBs calmly scan the field and find some wide open target. No one is intimidated by it any longer.
Agree with all that.
There's no doubt 3-4 still works in the NFL but I feel it requires a higher level of coaching to get playing really well and organised football with. With the 4-3 and in particular the Seattle style shell I feel it's a lot easier to teach and get younger players to learn their roles.
Take a 3-4 edge rusher for instance, they have much more coverage responsibilities than a 4-3 end due to the nature of the position and that alone is a whole extra bucket load of info and movement that needs to be learned.
(02-20-2019, 09:10 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2019, 04:50 PM)Steelers Beaches Wrote: [ -> ]The 3-4 had more merit when it tricked coaches and players, I don't see that happening all that much in the last 10 years.
Also, as a 3-4 team, you used to be able to find real gems in the mid-rounds of drafts because you could draft smallish college DE's and turn them into 3-4 OLBs (see Joey Porter, Woodley, Gildon, Harrison) but now with so many more teams running a 3-4, there is far more competition for tweener DE's turning them into OLBs so there are less chances to find gems.
I would much rather have a dominant front 4 that gets pressure without blitzing than all the whooey high school crap of cute 3-4 blitzes, which do more harm than good. Now, when I see Pgh send blitzes, QBs calmly scan the field and find some wide open target. No one is intimidated by it any longer.
Agree with all that.
There's no doubt 3-4 still works in the NFL but I feel it requires a higher level of coaching to get playing really well and organised football with. With the 4-3 and in particular the Seattle style shell I feel it's a lot easier to teach and get younger players to learn their roles.
Take a 3-4 edge rusher for instance, they have much more coverage responsibilities than a 4-3 end due to the nature of the position and that alone is a whole extra bucket load of info and movement that needs to be learned.
The plus of the 3-4 is that it is easier to find players to fit your scheme. There are a lot more LB types in the world than DL types.
(02-20-2019, 05:02 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (02-20-2019, 04:50 PM)Steelers Beaches Wrote: [ -> ]The 3-4 had more merit when it tricked coaches and players, I don't see that happening all that much in the last 10 years.
Also, as a 3-4 team, you used to be able to find real gems in the mid-rounds of drafts because you could draft smallish college DE's and turn them into 3-4 OLBs (see Joey Porter, Woodley, Gildon, Harrison) but now with so many more teams running a 3-4, there is far more competition for tweener DE's turning them into OLBs so there are less chances to find gems.
I would much rather have a dominant front 4 that gets pressure without blitzing than all the whooey high school crap of cute 3-4 blitzes, which do more harm than good. Now, when I see Pgh send blitzes, QBs calmly scan the field and find some wide open target. No one is intimidated by it any longer.
The thing is, the Steelers have had coaching, FO and schematic continuity for decades.
They know exactly what the scheme requires, what the coaches look for in a player and how to stock those players. Even with that, they still miss on occasion (Bud Dupree, Artie Burns).
Imagine the trial and error approach to switching to a 3-4 after 25 years of running a 4-3.
Even Bud Dupree had his moments of OK play, but Jarvis Jones was simply a God awful football player. Burns stinks. Then again, TJ Watt was a home run. But in the current era, we are not seeing the great picks for our 3-4 partly for the reasons mentioned. Most of the better Ds are not as complicated as Pgh's is.
With the additions of Allen and Williams, I think this will end up being the biggest pickup in the offseason other than Foles. I wasnt the biggest Wash fan but I think he will learn a ton this year and be a little open minded and learn new stuff compard to what he learned under Bradley. I think adding him will do wonders for Washs career. The biggest reasons for Washs susecces over the last few years other than our talent is the players respect him and try to buy in even though a lot of times its not the right call or D. One of the reasons for Telvins and Ramseys down year imo because they know its not the right call sometimes and then they go agaisnt it and try to do to much. I think most of that changes this year with Wash learning from Capers and will be the best thing that ever happend to him