https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/rob-g...-patriots/
Guess he got shut down by Ramsey for the last time.
Personally I do not think he has a long enough tenure for a HOF TE, but thats the same argument used against Boselli. Gronk was the very best at his position for a while tho. Will be interesting, I think the 'rings' and being associated with the pats will probably get him in tho.
Since he hasn't turned 30 yet, I guess he could come back, but I don't think he will.
Wise move. He's made his money and his mark on football. Time to get out before injuries become chronic.
He’s saved every game check he’s earned and has been living off of endorsements since he’s been in the league. Smart with his money and now he’s being smart with his body. Good for him.
(03-24-2019, 06:30 PM)Eye of the Storm Wrote: [ -> ]He’s saved every game check he’s earned and has been living off of endorsements since he’s been in the league. Smart with his money and now he’s being smart with his body. Good for him.
smart move. your team just won the super bowll. go out on top as a champ.
(03-24-2019, 07:17 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Best TE of all time.
Tough to argue against this, though Gonzalez certainly has a case.
Nevertheless, given how many championships Gronk has been part of, he is almost certain to be a first ballot Hall of Famer.
(03-24-2019, 07:17 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Best TE of all time.
If he played longer, most definitely. He missed 29 regular season games in 9 years.
He's one of the best without a doubt, but I'd still put Gonzalez over him and you could make an argument for Gates and Witten as well. Longevity absolutely plays a factor imo and it can't be ignored.
Smart for him to call it though. His body is already pretty beat up. It'd only continue to get worse. As said above, hes made his mark in NFL history and made a god awful amount of $$ in the process.
I give it a couple years max before we see him on TV, whether it's acting, WWE, etc.
(03-24-2019, 07:31 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-24-2019, 07:17 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Best TE of all time.
If he played longer, most definitely. He missed 29 regular season games in 9 years.
He's one of the best without a doubt, but I'd still put Gonzalez over him and you could make an argument for Gates and Witten as well. Longevity absolutely plays a factor imo and it can't be ignored.
Smart for him to call it though. His body is already pretty beat up. It'd only continue to get worse. As said above, hes made his mark in NFL history and made a god awful amount of $$ in the process.
I give it a couple years max before we see him on TV, whether it's acting, WWE, etc.
I dunno if I care as much about longevity for best player arguments. For instance I think Barry Sanders is a better RB than Emmmit Smith
(03-24-2019, 07:43 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (03-24-2019, 07:31 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]If he played longer, most definitely. He missed 29 regular season games in 9 years.
He's one of the best without a doubt, but I'd still put Gonzalez over him and you could make an argument for Gates and Witten as well. Longevity absolutely plays a factor imo and it can't be ignored.
Smart for him to call it though. His body is already pretty beat up. It'd only continue to get worse. As said above, hes made his mark in NFL history and made a god awful amount of $$ in the process.
I give it a couple years max before we see him on TV, whether it's acting, WWE, etc.
I dunno if I care as much about longevity for best player arguments. For instance I think Barry Sanders is a better RB than Emmmit Smith
Sanders' body didn't force him out of the league though, he went out at the top of his game, willingly.
There is an argument now because Gronk won't have the longevity (I don't think there would be if Gronk played a few more years), but there is no other player who is both among the very best receiving and very best blocking TE of all time. Simply all around the best TE.
(03-24-2019, 07:58 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-24-2019, 07:43 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I dunno if I care as much about longevity for best player arguments. For instance I think Barry Sanders is a better RB than Emmmit Smith
Sanders' body didn't force him out of the league though, he went out at the top of his game, willingly.
Gronk retiring because of his injuries and because of how lucrative his career outside the NFL will be doesn't make him a worse TE for me. Megatron too
(03-24-2019, 07:21 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (03-24-2019, 07:17 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Best TE of all time.
Tough to argue against this, though Gonzalez certainly has a case.
Nevertheless, given how many championships Gronk has been part of, he is almost certain to be a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Gonzalez is the easy call for best all time.
I get why recency bias would have some include Gronk in the conversation, but sorry, no.
First ballot? Sure.
(03-24-2019, 09:53 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ] (03-24-2019, 07:21 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Tough to argue against this, though Gonzalez certainly has a case.
Nevertheless, given how many championships Gronk has been part of, he is almost certain to be a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Gonzalez is the easy call for best all time.
I get why recency bias would have some include Gronk in the conversation, but sorry, no.
First ballot? Sure.
Statistically, absolutely Gonzalez is best of all time.
But adding in blocking, Gronk closes the gap.
Dude does NOT wanna take another hit like he did from BC in the AFCC again.. good riddance frat boy.
(In all seriousness, he was a great player. Wish him the best ?)
Gronk is an absolute lock for the Hall of Fame. 9 years is more than enough time and there will be no argument that his career wasn’t long enough.
He's a hall of fame player for sure. He put up great numbers in spite of several injuries and surgeries throughout his career. Playing on two or three superbowl winning rosters also helps his cause. I wouldn't say he's the greatest to ever do it at his position though. He may have elevated it to another level in the receiving game for his era. Just like Antonio Gates did.
But I still think Tony Gonzalez, Shannon Sharpe, Kellen Winslow, Ozzie Newsome and Jason Witten were just as good. Mike Ditka, John Mackey and Dave Casper will always get my respect a little bit more as well for simply introducing the TE position to the NFL as a viable receiving component decades before it became overly emphasized. Especially during a much tougher, grittier era of football where guys could still clean your clock or aim high for your head when you went over the middle.
(03-25-2019, 09:11 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]He's a hall of fame player for sure. He put up great numbers in spite of several injuries and surgeries throughout his career. Playing on two or three superbowl winning rosters also helps his cause. I wouldn't say he's the greatest to ever do it at his position though. He may have elevated it to another level in the receiving game for his era. Just like Antonio Gates did.
But I still think Tony Gonzalez, Shannon Sharpe, Kellen Winslow, Ozzie Newsome and Jason Witten were just as good. Mike Ditka, John Mackey and Dave Casper will always get my respect a little bit more as well for simply introducing the TE position to the NFL as a viable receiving component decades before it became overly emphasized. Especially during a much tougher, grittier era of football where guys could still clean your clock or aim high for your head when you went over the middle.
This guy gets it.
Those old school TE need to remain in the best ever conversation, if only for remembering that they shaped what we are seeing today as the 'norm' for the position.
(03-25-2019, 09:11 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]He's a hall of fame player for sure. He put up great numbers in spite of several injuries and surgeries throughout his career. Playing on two or three superbowl winning rosters also helps his cause. I wouldn't say he's the greatest to ever do it at his position though. He may have elevated it to another level in the receiving game for his era. Just like Antonio Gates did.
But I still think Tony Gonzalez, Shannon Sharpe, Kellen Winslow, Ozzie Newsome and Jason Witten were just as good. Mike Ditka, John Mackey and Dave Casper will always get my respect a little bit more as well for simply introducing the TE position to the NFL as a viable receiving component decades before it became overly emphasized. Especially during a much tougher, grittier era of football where guys could still clean your clock or aim high for your head when you went over the middle.
I agree with all you said, and you get cookie for it.
Everyone tends to forget Ditka when discussing the great TEs. The conversation should begin with him.
(03-25-2019, 11:57 AM)anonymous2112 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-25-2019, 09:11 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]He's a hall of fame player for sure. He put up great numbers in spite of several injuries and surgeries throughout his career. Playing on two or three superbowl winning rosters also helps his cause. I wouldn't say he's the greatest to ever do it at his position though. He may have elevated it to another level in the receiving game for his era. Just like Antonio Gates did.
But I still think Tony Gonzalez, Shannon Sharpe, Kellen Winslow, Ozzie Newsome and Jason Witten were just as good. Mike Ditka, John Mackey and Dave Casper will always get my respect a little bit more as well for simply introducing the TE position to the NFL as a viable receiving component decades before it became overly emphasized. Especially during a much tougher, grittier era of football where guys could still clean your clock or aim high for your head when you went over the middle.
I agree with all you said, and you get cookie for it.
Everyone tends to forget Ditka when discussing the great TEs. The conversation should begin with him.
...and move on to Casper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv1xygbkYgI
(03-25-2019, 07:02 AM)jaglawyer Wrote: [ -> ]Gronk is an absolute lock for the Hall of Fame. 9 years is more than enough time and there will be no argument that his career wasn’t long enough.
I just hope they break the mold and make his bust a full-body casting of his elbow on Tre' White.