https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-s...onfinement
So I guess the moral of the story is that it's ok to murder civilians and POWs as long as you're a Navy SEAL with friends in the right places? We send foreign war criminals to Gitmo before they get to trial. Why should an American war criminal not be held with "rapists and pedophiles"? Or, you know, with his buddies in Gitmo? Pathetic. The honor and privileges of service end when you start killing POWs and firing sniper rounds at civilians.
What ever happened to Innocent until proven guilty????
(03-30-2019, 12:51 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]What ever happened to Innocent until proven guilty????
He is innocent until proven guilty. So's everyone in Gitmo that is accused of terrorism or war crimes but hasn't been tried yet.
(03-30-2019, 12:59 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (03-30-2019, 12:51 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]What ever happened to Innocent until proven guilty????
He is innocent until proven guilty. So's everyone in Gitmo that is accused of terrorism or war crimes but hasn't been tried yet.
Citizen who chose to serve
Foreign combatant who chose to serve against us...
I mean it's pretty clear to me.
(03-30-2019, 03:23 PM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-30-2019, 12:59 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]He is innocent until proven guilty. So's everyone in Gitmo that is accused of terrorism or war crimes but hasn't been tried yet.
Citizen who chose to serve
Foreign combatant who chose to serve against us...
I mean it's pretty clear to me.
We don't know that those guys chose to be with our enemies. It may have been "join us or we burn down your village with your family still inside" for all we know.
military guys will tell you that we are keeping them as prisoners of War, to be released at the conclusion of hostilities.
Obama tried to set up trials for them, but from my perspective it seems like the military slow walked them until Obama was gone.
(03-30-2019, 05:48 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (03-30-2019, 04:13 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]We don't know that those guys chose to be with our enemies. It may have been "join us or we burn down your village with your family still inside" for all we know.
A lack of a trial before "sentencing" is also true of those killed in combat, and they'll never get to go home. It's war!
But feel free to defend the enemy and hate our soldiers. It's what you Leftists do.
Well that escalated quickly...
I wasn't defending anyone.
The fear of the American armies should be greater.
(03-30-2019, 08:56 PM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]The fear of the American armies should be greater.
Which is why the American armies should be held to the highest of standards. Targeting civilians is never acceptable, and the GOP is greasing the skids to let this guy off with a slap on the wrist and an honorable discharge.
(03-31-2019, 01:53 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (03-30-2019, 08:56 PM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]The fear of the American armies should be greater.
Which is why the American armies should be held to the highest of standards. Targeting civilians is never acceptable, and the GOP is greasing the skids to let this guy off with a slap on the wrist and an honorable discharge.
Define civilian in an urban theater of combat where hostile don't wear uniforms and children carry bombs?
(03-31-2019, 11:19 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-31-2019, 01:53 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]Which is why the American armies should be held to the highest of standards. Targeting civilians is never acceptable, and the GOP is greasing the skids to let this guy off with a slap on the wrist and an honorable discharge.
Define civilian in an urban theater of combat where hostile don't wear uniforms and children carry bombs?
So you consider pointing and shooting at anything that moves to be fair game?
No, I think that the shooter should have reasonable belief that the target is a hostile, but even making a mistake while in that environment under constant threat of death isn't the same as premeditated murder.
There's going to be a trial, due process, and it's not going to be swept under the rug. That's what needs to be done. That's not antithetical to treating our fighters with a basic level of dignity.
(03-30-2019, 12:13 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-s...onfinement
So I guess the moral of the story is that it's ok to murder civilians and POWs as long as you're a Navy SEAL with friends in the right places? We send foreign war criminals to Gitmo before they get to trial. Why should an American war criminal not be held with "rapists and pedophiles"? Or, you know, with his buddies in Gitmo? Pathetic. The honor and privileges of service end when you start killing POWs and firing sniper rounds at civilians.
No, the moral of the story is this American deserves lawful and humane confinement. You seem to have missed that part. Trying to compare a holdover for terrorists (GITMO) with no legal status is not, well, comparable to this situtation in any form. In most cases, those individuals were actually hunted down because of their wanted status. Chief Gallagher is going through beginning stages of a court-martial. Confinement is required in this situation unlike in the civilian world where you can be released on bail during discovery.
As far as the alleged issues, they are just that, alleged. The "POW" and I use the term loosely, was injured in fighting and could not get away. He was taken prisoner immediately and died due to injuries shortly after. There is no proof that a knife was anywhere near the prisoner other than to do a cricothyrotomy. As far as firing rounds at "civilians", it happens quite often as there is not a distinct military uniform for ISIS or other terrorist organizations that employ Men, boys, women, children, and even criples. It will all come out in his trials. My guess is he will be cleared of all but conduct unbecoming for the photos and texts. Still, he won't get off lightly. He'll end up being fined, credited with time served, receive reduction in grade, and given a bad conduct discharge.