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I think it's ridiculous for a coach making $10 million a year or thereabouts to criticize a player for going pro.

Good for Harrison speaking out.  I understand his dad passed away and he left to secure income for his family.  

SHAME ON SABAN MAKING $10M PER YEAR AND NOT UNDERSTANDING THE LIVELIHOOD OF HIS PLAYERS.

That tells you how highly Sabban thought of Harrison though and probably true. If he stayed he would of most likely been the first safety taken this year. As bad as I went to go offense as much as possible in this draft,I think safety in the 3rd might end up being the best value, if so take him

Saban couldn’t care less about his players.

Saban's a douche. This should not be news to anyone.

I don't think Harrison would have been the 1st safety taken this year but Saban is kind of saying how highly regarded him.

Tough move for Ronnie as he's gonna be banned from going back on campus again

Alabama gets the best players in the country. Saban shouldn't be surprised (or disappointed) that some of them want to leave for the NFL early. And say what you want about Harrison, there's no doubt in my mind that he was ready to play in the NFL--he's the best player from our draft last year.

I think Saban is seeing a chink in his armor as Clemson destroyed them last year and has the same record and 2 championships in the past 4 years. Also, teams like Texas A&M, Georgia, and Florida are closing in on Bama. Saban is not built to withstand NOT going to the BCS so if they manage to slide just a little and not make the BCS over the next 2 years or so, he may very well retire and call it a career. At minimum, he needs to look at Trevor Lawrence over the next 2 years and deal with recruits that are seeing the fact that players can have fun (in a Dabo system) and still win championships.

Saban had a point in his message, but using Harrison as the example was wrong. When he uses examples of guys leaving and going completely undrafted, there's a point to that.

(04-09-2019, 10:15 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]Saban had a point in his message, but using Harrison as the example was wrong. When he uses examples of guys leaving and going completely undrafted, there's a point to that.

Yep.

A third rounder that became a starter by the end of his rookie year and projects to see a lucrative second contract is not a good example for Saban.

Sigh, why do so many people post without actually reading the article or watching the interview. Even though Saban has skin in the game, he does have a point.

Quote: “I think in the last five years — not counting this year — there’s been 380 players, or there about, go out early for the draft and 25 percent of those guys didn’t even get drafted. And another 25 percent weren’t on a team in three years. So that means 50 percent of the guys that went out early for the draft had failed careers.” “The person that loses in that is the player.” — Nick Saban

From the 2014 NFL Draft through 2018, there have been 479 underclassmen to leave school early and enter the draft. Among them, 155 of those kids went undrafted. Using my top-notch calculator skills, that means one in every three underclassmen won’t be even picked if they leave school early. In 2019, a record of 135 underclassmen declared for this year’s NFL Draft.

Plus salaries for the anyone drafted after the 2nd round is getting ripped off by the rookie wage scale. Sure the NCAA is not paying the players, but it is trading 1 extra season of NCAA games (14-15 games) vs 16 NFL games + preseason, to get much more money in the first contract that will be the only contract a large portion of NFL players ever receive.

Harrison is not best example but he is still a valid one. He was the #93 pick, so he got a $3,388,032 contract with signing bonus of $803,032. If he stayed a year and got drafted in 2019, say 28 spots higher (1st pick of 3rd round), he would get $3,662,728 with signing bonus of $1,142,728. If he went as the last pick of the 2nd round, he would get $4,586,046 with signing bonus $1,355,304. I know he was great as a rookie, but what if he levels off. What if he becomes inconsistent playing a full season? What if the coaching staff changes next year and he no longer fits the scheme?

Yes, there is a gamble because of potential injury or falling draft stock because of a loaded class. But there is also risk of injury in the NFL, of not getting a second contract, or living up to his expectations. Most potential players in the draft pool expect to be drafted, make a team, and be in the league longer than the average player so they can make bank in free agency. However, most of them are wrong.

I'm not saying players are the ones at most fault. The players are getting screwed by everyone else. NCAA has fault for not giving players rights to use their likeness or get promotional deals. NFL and NFLPA are at fault for a ridiculously imbalanced rookie wage scale. If their family situation allows plays to stay an extra year, it can be the best play.

(04-10-2019, 01:45 AM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]Sigh, why do so many people post without actually reading the article or watching the interview. Even though Saban has skin in the game, he does have a point.

Quote: “I think in the last five years — not counting this year — there’s been 380 players, or there about, go out early for the draft and 25 percent of those guys didn’t even get drafted. And another 25 percent weren’t on a team in three years. So that means 50 percent of the guys that went out early for the draft had failed careers.” “The person that loses in that is the player.” — Nick Saban

From the 2014 NFL Draft through 2018, there have been 479 underclassmen to leave school early and enter the draft. Among them, 155 of those kids went undrafted. Using my top-notch calculator skills, that means one in every three underclassmen won’t be even picked if they leave school early. In 2019, a record of 135 underclassmen declared for this year’s NFL Draft.

Plus salaries for the anyone drafted after the 2nd round is getting ripped off by the rookie wage scale. Sure the NCAA is not paying the players, but it is trading 1 extra season of NCAA games (14-15 games) vs 16 NFL games + preseason, to get much more money in the first contract that will be the only contract a large portion of NFL players ever receive.

Harrison is not best example but he is still a valid one. He was the #93 pick, so he got a $3,388,032 contract with signing bonus of $803,032. If he stayed a year and got drafted in 2019, say 28 spots higher (1st pick of 3rd round), he would get $3,662,728 with signing bonus of $1,142,728. If he went as the last pick of the 2nd round, he would get $4,586,046 with signing bonus $1,355,304. I know he was great as a rookie, but what if he levels off. What if he becomes inconsistent playing a full season? What if the coaching staff changes next year and he no longer fits the scheme?

Yes, there is a gamble because of potential injury or falling draft stock because of a loaded class. But there is also risk of injury in the NFL, of not getting a second contract, or living up to his expectations. Most potential players in the draft pool expect to be drafted, make a team, and be in the league longer than the average player so they can make bank in free agency. However, most of them are wrong.

I'm not saying players are the ones at most fault. The players are getting screwed by everyone else. NCAA has fault for not giving players rights to use their likeness or get promotional deals. NFL and NFLPA are at fault for a ridiculously imbalanced rookie wage scale. If their family situation allows plays to stay an extra year, it can be the best play.

Using the "three years in the league" example set forth by Saban  -  Ronnie Harrison will have earned $1.9M of his contract at that point. It compares poorly to the amount he might have been guaranteed if he stuck around and his draft stock improved. But it is unquestionably major life changing money for 98% of these kids coming out. 
(he also looks to be a lock for a lucrative second NFL contract and his skillset is versatile enough to play safety in basically any scheme)

Many of them are simply unwilling to roll the dice on an injury ruining any chance of getting paid by staying in school another year.

Obviously it's a poor decision for players whose draft stock is low but has real potential to improve if we're operating in a vacuum, but the injury concern has to be considered. 

There are also those players that stay and see their draft stock diminish due to the team losing starters and waning, coaching changes, or being forced to play through injury. 

Ideally these kids would stay, take advantage of the scholarship money, finish degrees and improve their draft stock if they even have any. But I totally understand why so many don't.

(04-10-2019, 01:45 AM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]Sigh, why do so many people post without actually reading the article or watching the interview. Even though Saban has skin in the game, he does have a point.

Quote: “I think in the last five years — not counting this year — there’s been 380 players, or there about, go out early for the draft and 25 percent of those guys didn’t even get drafted. And another 25 percent weren’t on a team in three years. So that means 50 percent of the guys that went out early for the draft had failed careers.” “The person that loses in that is the player.” — Nick Saban

From the 2014 NFL Draft through 2018, there have been 479 underclassmen to leave school early and enter the draft. Among them, 155 of those kids went undrafted. Using my top-notch calculator skills, that means one in every three underclassmen won’t be even picked if they leave school early. In 2019, a record of 135 underclassmen declared for this year’s NFL Draft.

Plus salaries for the anyone drafted after the 2nd round is getting ripped off by the rookie wage scale. Sure the NCAA is not paying the players, but it is trading 1 extra season of NCAA games (14-15 games) vs 16 NFL games + preseason, to get much more money in the first contract that will be the only contract a large portion of NFL players ever receive.

Harrison is not best example but he is still a valid one. He was the #93 pick, so he got a $3,388,032 contract with signing bonus of $803,032. If he stayed a year and got drafted in 2019, say 28 spots higher (1st pick of 3rd round), he would get $3,662,728 with signing bonus of $1,142,728. If he went as the last pick of the 2nd round, he would get $4,586,046 with signing bonus $1,355,304. I know he was great as a rookie, but what if he levels off. What if he becomes inconsistent playing a full season? What if the coaching staff changes next year and he no longer fits the scheme?

Yes, there is a gamble because of potential injury or falling draft stock because of a loaded class. But there is also risk of injury in the NFL, of not getting a second contract, or living up to his expectations. Most potential players in the draft pool expect to be drafted, make a team, and be in the league longer than the average player so they can make bank in free agency. However, most of them are wrong.

I'm not saying players are the ones at most fault. The players are getting screwed by everyone else. NCAA has fault for not giving players rights to use their likeness or get promotional deals. NFL and NFLPA are at fault for a ridiculously imbalanced rookie wage scale. If their family situation allows plays to stay an extra year, it can be the best play.

Or he gets hurt his senior year and gets nothing.

(04-10-2019, 08:18 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-10-2019, 01:45 AM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]Sigh, why do so many people post without actually reading the article or watching the interview. Even though Saban has skin in the game, he does have a point.


Plus salaries for the anyone drafted after the 2nd round is getting ripped off by the rookie wage scale. Sure the NCAA is not paying the players, but it is trading 1 extra season of NCAA games (14-15 games) vs 16 NFL games + preseason, to get much more money in the first contract that will be the only contract a large portion of NFL players ever receive.

Harrison is not best example but he is still a valid one. He was the #93 pick, so he got a $3,388,032 contract with signing bonus of $803,032. If he stayed a year and got drafted in 2019, say 28 spots higher (1st pick of 3rd round), he would get $3,662,728 with signing bonus of $1,142,728. If he went as the last pick of the 2nd round, he would get $4,586,046 with signing bonus $1,355,304. I know he was great as a rookie, but what if he levels off. What if he becomes inconsistent playing a full season? What if the coaching staff changes next year and he no longer fits the scheme?

Yes, there is a gamble because of potential injury or falling draft stock because of a loaded class. But there is also risk of injury in the NFL, of not getting a second contract, or living up to his expectations. Most potential players in the draft pool expect to be drafted, make a team, and be in the league longer than the average player so they can make bank in free agency. However, most of them are wrong.

I'm not saying players are the ones at most fault. The players are getting screwed by everyone else. NCAA has fault for not giving players rights to use their likeness or get promotional deals. NFL and NFLPA are at fault for a ridiculously imbalanced rookie wage scale. If their family situation allows plays to stay an extra year, it can be the best play.

Or he gets hurt his senior year and gets nothing.

I never said it always works. That can definitely happen. But I would argue that what happens  more often is that the player gets hurt during that first contract and never gets another chance or a 2nd contract. Injury is a risk no matter what for both choices.

(04-10-2019, 08:40 AM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-10-2019, 08:18 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Or he gets hurt his senior year and gets nothing.

I never said it always works. That can definitely happen. But I would argue that what happens  more often is that the player gets hurt during that first contract and never gets another chance or a 2nd contract. Injury is a risk no matter what for both choices.

It is a risk either way, but in Harrison's case, getting hurt in that first contract still guarantees him $800K at the very least. 

He could then buy a house and car, stash some savings and go back to finish his degree and pursue a career comfortably. 
That type of opportunity may not be there for him if he blows a knee at Alabama.

(04-10-2019, 08:40 AM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-10-2019, 08:18 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Or he gets hurt his senior year and gets nothing.

I never said it always works. That can definitely happen. But I would argue that what happens  more often is that the player gets hurt during that first contract and never gets another chance or a 2nd contract. Injury is a risk no matter what for both choices.

A bird in the hand and all that. 

Alabama players like Harrison would be getting money and cars in stuff in college , which may add slightly to where Saban is coming from.

(04-10-2019, 08:47 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-10-2019, 08:40 AM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ]I never said it always works. That can definitely happen. But I would argue that what happens  more often is that the player gets hurt during that first contract and never gets another chance or a 2nd contract. Injury is a risk no matter what for both choices.

It is a risk either way, but in Harrison's case, getting hurt in that first contract still guarantees him $800K at the very least. 

He could then buy a house and car, stash some savings and go back to finish his degree and pursue a career comfortably. 
That type of opportunity may not be there for him if he blows a knee at Alabama.

I cannot recall a highly regarded player who was definitely going to be drafted in the middle rounds that went back for an additional year, but got hurt and never made it to the NFL. I think of a few who went back for an extra year and people thought they dropped because of more competition in the draft class.

Anyways, the players this mostly applies to anyone who was given something like a 5th round grade or lower. Because at that point you really don't have a clue if you will be drafted.

This just in: Saban is kind of an [BLEEP]

If he is willing to pay for their insurance policies coming back then he has a say, otherwise deal with it like every other sport does.