(04-27-2019, 07:41 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]You might want to look around at the depth of almost every NFL team on the Oline.
Hint: it's mostly guys you never want to have to play at any point
Linemen really are the mules of a team. The starters are expected to play every play of every game unless they either can't go at all, or need to come out long enough to have something taped up.
(04-27-2019, 06:45 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2019, 06:27 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]He’s having a tantrum like my 2 year old toddler.
I'm just looking at the facts. The Pats seem to draft interior O-linemen all the time. Since 2009 we've drafted 4. They've drafted 9 and how many championships do they have?
LOL. So it was all about the guards and not Tom Brady?
(04-27-2019, 06:54 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2019, 06:48 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]You are only looking at a very small sample size. Our guys started getting injured a couple games into the season and once that happened we sucked, because we had no depth. You have to have depth on the O-Line. The Pats understand this. Why doesn't our front office?
What depth do we have behind the OG's? Norwell and Linder are coming off of injury and Cann has always been the weak link. What if Norwell or Cann get injured again? It's possible.
I really don't know what they would have done. I can never seem to predict what this team will do.
So you are blaming the team for losing 4 out of 5 starters on the OL and not having 4 more starting caliber backups?
We didn't have
ANY starting caliber backups. Most teams have 1 or 2.
(04-27-2019, 07:38 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Robinson two years ago. Taylor yesterday. Linder stolen a few years ago. Highest rated G in Norwell signed last year. Cann quietly not rocking the boat but also doing enough to keep a job.
Injuries hurt this team last year. If it's healthy and Fournette gets his [BLEEP] together? 2017's repeat season could be here again.
It may not be as dominating on defense as it was in 2017 but the improvements on offense could help elevate and motivate the rest of the team.
Have faith. 
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Those are OT's. I'm talking about the interior. Linder and Norwell are coming off season ending injuries and Cann may not "rock the boat", but he is definitely the weak link on the O-Line and the dropoff to the interior backups behind him, is huge.
(04-27-2019, 07:41 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]You might want to look around at the depth of almost every NFL team on the Oline.
Hint: it's mostly guys you never want to have to play at any point
The Pats have better backups than a lot of NFL teams and they are successful.You can never have enough good O-Linemen.
(04-27-2019, 07:42 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2019, 06:45 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I'm just looking at the facts. The Pats seem to draft interior O-linemen all the time. Since 2009 we've drafted 4. They've drafted 9 and how many championships do they have?
You're kidding me...right? Perhaps you've heard of Tom Brady?
He is the GOAT, but does that mean his O-Line should get no credit?
(04-27-2019, 07:50 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]I think we're fine at tackle. We took a very early 2nd rounder in both 2017 and 2019 and both were considered by many to be steals at their position. For depth, we signed a former first round disappointment in free agency to compete against our 4th rounder from last year and experienced swing tackle Josh Wells. The best two of three will make the team.
For the interior, we're set at center with Linder. Norwell is a former all pro. He didn't play like it last year, but the hope is that he bounces back with a new offensive coordinator. Even if not, we're financially committed to him. He's going nowhere anytime soon. As far as starters, it basically leaves Cann. I suspect you are more critical of him than me. While I don't love Cann, I also don't think a 6th or 7th rounder was likely to upgrade him. We could have used an earlier pick, but I can't complain with the positions taken with the exception of our 3B pick (which was out of the Twilight Zone).
I'm also ok with Shatley as depth. We could have used the 7th round pick that we traded away on an additional backup guard, but I would point out that only 1 guard went after that spot in the draft. Every other guard is still available to be signed in undrafted free agency.
Shatley is a decent Center, but he sucks as an OG and we have no one behind Norwell and Cann.
(04-27-2019, 07:54 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2019, 06:45 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I'm just looking at the facts. The Pats seem to draft interior O-linemen all the time. Since 2009 we've drafted 4. They've drafted 9 and how many championships do they have?
LOL. So it was all about the guards and not Tom Brady?
Do his O-Linemen get no credit at all? They run blocked very well last year and that had nothing to do with Brady. Tom is the GOAT, but he gives credit to his O-Line all the time.
(04-27-2019, 07:54 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2019, 06:45 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I'm just looking at the facts. The Pats seem to draft interior O-linemen all the time. Since 2009 we've drafted 4. They've drafted 9 and how many championships do they have?
LOL. So it was all about the guards and not Tom Brady?
A notable one of theirs was a guy who we cut, Dan Connolly.
Even more notable? He was a UDFA for those keeping score at home.
Also, it's always been interesting tracking the Pro Bowl voting for NE linemen. The are more likely make it when they win or appear in the Super Bowl, but some of the same guys disappear from voting when they don't.
This article pretty much sums it up:
http://www.footballperspective.com/tom-b...uper-bowl/
Title:
Tom Brady Has Had 24 Different Starting Offensive Linemen In The Super Bowl
And in conclusion:
"There has been a lot of turnover in New England over the last two decades, but only two constants: Brady and Belichick."
(04-27-2019, 09:51 PM)pirkster Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2019, 07:54 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]LOL. So it was all about the guards and not Tom Brady?
A notable one of theirs was a guy who we cut, Dan Connolly.
Even more notable? He was a UDFA for those keeping score at home.
Also, it's always been interesting tracking the Pro Bowl voting for NE linemen. The are more likely make it when they win or appear in the Super Bowl, but some of the same guys disappear from voting when they don't.
This article pretty much sums it up:
http://www.footballperspective.com/tom-b...uper-bowl/
Title:
Tom Brady Has Had 24 Different Starting Offensive Linemen In The Super Bowl
And in conclusion:
"There has been a lot of turnover in New England over the last two decades, but only two constants: Brady and Belichick."
New England's philosophy has always been not to pay big money to O-Linemen. When they want re-signed for big money, the Pats let them walk and they simply replace them. That's simply the way they do things.
(04-27-2019, 06:45 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2019, 06:27 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]He’s having a tantrum like my 2 year old toddler.
I'm just looking at the facts. The Pats seem to draft interior O-linemen all the time. Since 2009 we've drafted 4. They've drafted 9 and how many championships do they have?
The Pat's almost always have a late pick. Often the best players on the board when they pick are interior linemen. So it's not necessarily a strategy for them, it's just picking based on what's available.
(04-27-2019, 10:49 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2019, 06:45 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I'm just looking at the facts. The Pats seem to draft interior O-linemen all the time. Since 2009 we've drafted 4. They've drafted 9 and how many championships do they have?
The Pat's almost always have a late pick. Often the best players on the board when they pick are interior linemen. So it's not necessarily a strategy for them, it's just picking based on what's available.
Very astute observation.
If there aren't greater needs, they are likely to have a Meester caliber player in the interior sitting in their laps more often than not.