(05-03-2019, 03:57 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2019, 12:31 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]his website looks like its from the 1990s
Which one? Walterfootball or NFLDraft Countdown? If it's WF I agree 110%. It's a pain to navigate and the pop-up's and ad's certainly give off that dial-up 1990's vibe for sure.
(05-03-2019, 03:23 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Speaking of draftcountdown.com...
Scott Wright had us taking Jawaan Taylor with that pick in his final mockdraft. I don't know if he's been able to update the 2nd RD. That's my only knock on him. His website, rankings, details and write-up's are superb. Love his work. Been following him personally since I was 15, 16 years old. His updates are just very, very slow and sporadic. But he does a boat load of work overall and I don't know if it's just ALL him on his own or if he has a team.
Walterfootball is just more up to date on stuff and that's really why I go to them. Who else is out there that you know of? You've always had a good, analytical eye for that stuff on here. What's your preference?
I have recently discovered thedraftnetwork.com, and it has quickly become a favorite of mine. They have a mock draft generator, too. While they don't offer the option of executing trades like the fanspeak paid option, they DO offer the ability to view scouting reports for each player on the board. Their scouting reports are comprehensive, and often offer the perspectives of three different analysts/scouts.
Here is a link to their scouting report on Josh Allen, though I do not know where they got his weight from.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/josh-allen
Yeah, The nfl draft network sight just jumped through the rook this draft season.
Walter’s site has always been a bit looney.
And yes, the inaugural season of draftnetwork.com is already far superior to anything ever produced by “Walter football”
(05-04-2019, 09:57 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Walter’s site has always been a bit looney.
And yes, the inaugural season of draftnetwork.com is already far superior to anything ever produced by “Walter football”
For the record, I don't necessarily view walterfootball as authoritative. Informative... yeah. Humorous? Yeah. But he strikes me like a message board poster, not a scout. He has a detached perspective from say our message board.
As others have noted, he frequently updates his site, which is key getting through the football dog days of Late February and March when the draft is still weeks away and free agency has died down. I have seen better and worse sites.
Among my least favorite sites is draft ace. Egads!
(05-04-2019, 09:28 AM)nate Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, The nfl draft network sight just jumped through the rook this draft season.
It more than filled the void left by draft breakdown.
For what it's worth Daniel Jeremiah from NFL network commented on the Quincy Williams pick on the nfl network segment I watched. I am paraphrasing but he said a lot of teams were excited about Williams when he asked them after the draft.
Looking at the jaguars shoes they did not have a 4th round pick and may have not had a chance to trade down. I guess they saw him at such a talent they did not want to risk a team taking him before they picked again. I hope the whole Telvin Smith thing is overblown bs but in the case it isn't the team is going to need a difference maker and this guy looks impressive on the film.
(05-04-2019, 08:41 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]For what it's worth Daniel Jeremiah from NFL network commented on the Quincy Williams pick on the nfl network segment I watched. I am paraphrasing but he said a lot of teams were excited about Williams when he asked them after the draft.
Looking at the jaguars shoes they did not have a 4th round pick and may have not had a chance to trade down. I guess they saw him at such a talent they did not want to risk a team taking him before they picked again. I hope the whole Telvin Smith thing is overblown bs but in the case it isn't the team is going to need a difference maker and this guy looks impressive on the film.
So at least the 49ers are on the record as having liked Williams. DJ has heard from other teams (he actually has contacts, unlike Walter Fudgeballs) that they liked him too. At what point do the whiners have to shut up and give Williams a chance?
(05-04-2019, 08:45 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (05-04-2019, 08:41 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]For what it's worth Daniel Jeremiah from NFL network commented on the Quincy Williams pick on the nfl network segment I watched. I am paraphrasing but he said a lot of teams were excited about Williams when he asked them after the draft.
Looking at the jaguars shoes they did not have a 4th round pick and may have not had a chance to trade down. I guess they saw him at such a talent they did not want to risk a team taking him before they picked again. I hope the whole Telvin Smith thing is overblown bs but in the case it isn't the team is going to need a difference maker and this guy looks impressive on the film.
So at least the 49ers are on the record as having liked Williams. DJ has heard from other teams (he actually has contacts, unlike Walter Fudgeballs) that they liked him too. At what point do the whiners have to shut up and give Williams a chance?
It's not really how good he ends up, it's that he probably would have been there in the 5th round. If he becomes a pro bowler, great, but the Jags may have missed out on a pro bowler in the 3rd round and still could have gotten him in the 5th.
They already said he wasn't the highest rated player on the board, he was the last LB they thought might be able to one day become a starter. They didn't take the best player, they picked for need and really reached doing that. He may eventually be worth the pick, but the Jags needed a LB and they didn't like any of the others left so they decided they had to reach in the 3rd.
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Very impressive highlight reel. For sure. He’s fast for a LB, and a really good tackler. It’ll be interesting to see how he turns out.
If Dave really wanted this guy, I can see why he might reach just a bit. Can’t say I blame him.
(05-04-2019, 11:26 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (05-04-2019, 08:45 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]So at least the 49ers are on the record as having liked Williams. DJ has heard from other teams (he actually has contacts, unlike Walter Fudgeballs) that they liked him too. At what point do the whiners have to shut up and give Williams a chance?
It's not really how good he ends up, it's that he probably would have been there in the 5th round. If he becomes a pro bowler, great, but the Jags may have missed out on a pro bowler in the 3rd round and still could have gotten him in the 5th.
They already said he wasn't the highest rated player on the board, he was the last LB they thought might be able to one day become a starter. They didn't take the best player, they picked for need and really reached doing that. He may eventually be worth the pick, but the Jags needed a LB and they didn't like any of the others left so they decided they had to reach in the 3rd.
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The draft is an inexact science. Based on what I've seen and read, Williams would likely have been gone before the fifth round. Caldwell even said that they knew they didn't have a fourth-round pick and they tried to trade down but couldn't find a taker. In the middle rounds especially (and let's not kid ourselves, compensatory threes are into the middle rounds), you make moves like that. Take the guy who could start tomorrow at one position instead of the guy that grades better today but would be buried on the bench at another spot. Taking Daniel Jones at six or Clelin Ferrell at four is a reach. Taking a linebacker you like at the very end of three because you have a strong feeling he'll be gone by the next time you're on the clock isn't.
Here is a few interesting pieces coming from this article:
https://www.jaguars.com/news/on-new-jagu...ery-chance
But while Williams’ status as an FCS player meant his selection surprised analysts, NFL people knew Williams well. Stewart said teams called during the draft indicating Williams would be selected
late in Round 3 or in Round 4 – and San Francisco 49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan told reporters after the draft, “That guy went exactly where he should have gone.”
“He’s a really good player,” Shanahan said.
Williams (5-feet-11, 225) – the older brother of former Alabama defensive tackle and 2019 No. 3 overall selection Quinnen Williams of the New York Jets – played in 43 games during his collegiate career with 231 tackles (142 solo), 18 tackles for loss, nine passes defensed, three interceptions and three forced fumbles. But as much as statistics, what stood out about Williams collegiately was speed and hitting force.
“That’s his biggest strength,” Stewart said. “Every scout that came through would say, ‘This guy’s got old-school contact courage.’ When you watch his tape, that’s the first thing you see. The act of hitting somebody is not normal. When something’s coming at you, the normal human reaction is to duck or move out of the way, or dodge, or turn your head, or stop your feet.
(05-05-2019, 12:58 AM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Here is a few interesting pieces coming from this article: https://www.jaguars.com/news/on-new-jagu...ery-chance
But while Williams’ status as an FCS player meant his selection surprised analysts, NFL people knew Williams well. Stewart said teams called during the draft indicating Williams would be selected late in Round 3 or in Round 4 – and San Francisco 49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan told reporters after the draft, “That guy went exactly where he should have gone.”
“He’s a really good player,” Shanahan said.
Williams (5-feet-11, 225) – the older brother of former Alabama defensive tackle and 2019 No. 3 overall selection Quinnen Williams of the New York Jets – played in 43 games during his collegiate career with 231 tackles (142 solo), 18 tackles for loss, nine passes defensed, three interceptions and three forced fumbles. But as much as statistics, what stood out about Williams collegiately was speed and hitting force.
“That’s his biggest strength,” Stewart said. “Every scout that came through would say, ‘This guy’s got old-school contact courage.’ When you watch his tape, that’s the first thing you see. The act of hitting somebody is not normal. When something’s coming at you, the normal human reaction is to duck or move out of the way, or dodge, or turn your head, or stop your feet.
I noticed that, too. I know it’s a highlight reel, but when he tackles, he’s not just grabbing, he moving forward with a lot of force. If he makes our team, he’ll fit right in, because he doesn’t just act like he has swagger, he plays with swagger. There’s a difference.
(05-05-2019, 12:58 AM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Here is a few interesting pieces coming from this article: https://www.jaguars.com/news/on-new-jagu...ery-chance
But while Williams’ status as an FCS player meant his selection surprised analysts, NFL people knew Williams well. Stewart said teams called during the draft indicating Williams would be selected late in Round 3 or in Round 4 – and San Francisco 49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan told reporters after the draft, “That guy went exactly where he should have gone.”
“He’s a really good player,” Shanahan said.
Williams (5-feet-11, 225) – the older brother of former Alabama defensive tackle and 2019 No. 3 overall selection Quinnen Williams of the New York Jets – played in 43 games during his collegiate career with 231 tackles (142 solo), 18 tackles for loss, nine passes defensed, three interceptions and three forced fumbles. But as much as statistics, what stood out about Williams collegiately was speed and hitting force.
“That’s his biggest strength,” Stewart said. “Every scout that came through would say, ‘This guy’s got old-school contact courage.’ When you watch his tape, that’s the first thing you see. The act of hitting somebody is not normal. When something’s coming at you, the normal human reaction is to duck or move out of the way, or dodge, or turn your head, or stop your feet.
I noticed that, too. I know it’s a highlight reel, but when he tackles, he’s not just grabbing, he moving forward with a lot of force. If he makes our team, he’ll fit right in, because he doesn’t just act like he has swagger, he plays with swagger. There’s a difference.
(05-03-2019, 07:54 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Granted this is a little late but...
http://walterfootball.com/offseason2019jax.php
Did anyone hear of any off field concerns for Taylor?
I did a quick google and the first thing that came up was this...
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/04/26/jawaan...uars-facts
I suppose if you have something against church drummers...?
Walter is actually lightening up on us. That was mostly positive. Maybe he is okay with us now.
(05-03-2019, 08:42 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2019, 08:28 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]I love the I never heard of him so it must automatically be a reach take for Williams. Totally original, lol.
I wonder who will have the guts to admit it if they turn out to be wrong about the pick?
I've admitted to being wrong many times over the years-sadly because I've been wrong so often.
Did I know what to think about the pick? No.
I liked what I saw in the clips, but I don't know if he represents value there or not. My gut tells me no...and that he could have been taken later, even though Shanahan said teams were eyeing him in the 4th.
Should he meet the team's expectations-and exceed seemingly everyone else's, I will be glad to offer my mea culpa and a kudos to the FO.
But I've heard too many analysts say he wasn't in the top 400-700 players to take that lightly. Heck, Austin Lane didn't get that reaction-though being in those rankings didn't guarantee a successful career for him or many others who fall into that category.
I will, but the Gene Smiffness of this pick has bust written all over.
(05-04-2019, 11:26 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (05-04-2019, 08:45 PM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]So at least the 49ers are on the record as having liked Williams. DJ has heard from other teams (he actually has contacts, unlike Walter Fudgeballs) that they liked him too. At what point do the whiners have to shut up and give Williams a chance?
It's not really how good he ends up, it's that he probably would have been there in the 5th round. If he becomes a pro bowler, great, but the Jags may have missed out on a pro bowler in the 3rd round and still could have gotten him in the 5th.
They already said he wasn't the highest rated player on the board, he was the last LB they thought might be able to one day become a starter. They didn't take the best player, they picked for need and really reached doing that. He may eventually be worth the pick, but the Jags needed a LB and they didn't like any of the others left so they decided they had to reach in the 3rd.
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I personally don't feel that the Jaguars reached on drafting Williams, especially if he was the best LB available at that pick. The Jaguars allowed the draft to come to them especially when Allen fell to us. This draft may be one of our best w/respect to multiple early contributors.
Time Will Tell.
NH3...
(05-05-2019, 12:32 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]The draft is an inexact science. Based on what I've seen and read, Williams would likely have been gone before the fifth round. Caldwell even said that they knew they didn't have a fourth-round pick and they tried to trade down but couldn't find a taker. In the middle rounds especially (and let's not kid ourselves, compensatory threes are into the middle rounds), you make moves like that. Take the guy who could start tomorrow at one position instead of the guy that grades better today but would be buried on the bench at another spot. Taking Daniel Jones at six or Clelin Ferrell at four is a reach. Taking a linebacker you like at the very end of three because you have a strong feeling he'll be gone by the next time you're on the clock isn't.
(05-05-2019, 12:48 PM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]I personally don't feel that the Jaguars reached on drafting Williams, especially if he was the best LB available at that pick. The Jaguars allowed the draft to come to them especially when Allen fell to us. This draft may be one of our best w/respect to multiple early contributors.
Time Will Tell.
NH3...
Both of those players were going in the 1st round. Sure they may have been drafted a few picks later, but they weren't as huge of a reach. He hasn't played against top competition. I really doubt he was getting picked in the 4th round. He said himself he was expecting not to be drafted and was getting calls about signing after the draft. Hopefully he turns out to be a good player, but it's a really big uphill battle.
This is like the punter pick, the Jags needed a punter so we better draft him before anyone else does never mind no one else was drafting him until 2-3 rounds later. Same thing with this pick. Other teams may have liked him, but he wasn't good enough to even get an invite to the combine. Gene Smith's picks were at least known and had measurables listed. It's a huge reach in the 3rd round.
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(05-05-2019, 01:27 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (05-05-2019, 12:32 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]The draft is an inexact science. Based on what I've seen and read, Williams would likely have been gone before the fifth round. Caldwell even said that they knew they didn't have a fourth-round pick and they tried to trade down but couldn't find a taker. In the middle rounds especially (and let's not kid ourselves, compensatory threes are into the middle rounds), you make moves like that. Take the guy who could start tomorrow at one position instead of the guy that grades better today but would be buried on the bench at another spot. Taking Daniel Jones at six or Clelin Ferrell at four is a reach. Taking a linebacker you like at the very end of three because you have a strong feeling he'll be gone by the next time you're on the clock isn't.
(05-05-2019, 12:48 PM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]I personally don't feel that the Jaguars reached on drafting Williams, especially if he was the best LB available at that pick. The Jaguars allowed the draft to come to them especially when Allen fell to us. This draft may be one of our best w/respect to multiple early contributors.
Time Will Tell.
NH3...
Both of those players were going in the 1st round. Sure they may have been drafted a few picks later, but they weren't as huge of a reach. He hasn't played against top competition. I really doubt he was getting picked in the 4th round. He said himself he was expecting not to be drafted and was getting calls about signing after the draft. Hopefully he turns out to be a good player, but it's a really big uphill battle.
This is like the punter pick, the Jags needed a punter so we better draft him before anyone else does never mind no one else was drafting him until 2-3 rounds later. Same thing with this pick. Other teams may have liked him, but he wasn't good enough to even get an invite to the combine. Gene Smith's picks were at least known and had measurables listed. It's a huge reach in the 3rd round.
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A punter is a huge reach in the third round. A baseball player is a huge reach in the third round. A 25-year-old with one year of college experience is a huge reach in the third round (even that's debatable). A guy with pending legal trouble is a huge reach in the third round. A linebacker who took 11 visits, was praised at a post-draft press conference by a different team's coach and has numerous personnel execs that knew him and liked him? Not a huge reach in the third round. Teams make bigger reaches in earlier rounds all the time. Also, his measurables are easy to find. If I can find them in a good 30 seconds of searching, I'm pretty sure David Caldwell wasn't sitting there scratching his head to figure out what Williams' 40 time was.
He ran a 4.5 with a 39" vert. Also his 3 cone was listed at 7.2 (31st percentile) and 6.8 (91st percentile), haven't been able to find out which one is correct
(05-05-2019, 11:50 AM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-03-2019, 07:54 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Granted this is a little late but...
http://walterfootball.com/offseason2019jax.php
Did anyone hear of any off field concerns for Taylor?
I did a quick google and the first thing that came up was this...
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/04/26/jawaan...uars-facts
I suppose if you have something against church drummers...?
Walter is actually lightening up on us. That was mostly positive. Maybe he is okay with us now.
(05-03-2019, 08:42 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder who will have the guts to admit it if they turn out to be wrong about the pick?
I've admitted to being wrong many times over the years-sadly because I've been wrong so often.
Did I know what to think about the pick? No.
I liked what I saw in the clips, but I don't know if he represents value there or not. My gut tells me no...and that he could have been taken later, even though Shanahan said teams were eyeing him in the 4th.
Should he meet the team's expectations-and exceed seemingly everyone else's, I will be glad to offer my mea culpa and a kudos to the FO.
But I've heard too many analysts say he wasn't in the top 400-700 players to take that lightly. Heck, Austin Lane didn't get that reaction-though being in those rankings didn't guarantee a successful career for him or many others who fall into that category.
I will, but the Gene Smiffness of this pick has bust written all over.
But that's the point.
Just because it involves a player we haven't heard of from a small school doesn't mean it reeks of Gene Smith.
I'm sure few if any heard of Jahri Evans or Marques Colston when they were drafted. Both of them came from small schools, and neither of them were anything close to Smith caliber picks. Same goes for Leon Lett and Lee Woodall.
Let's just hope Williams only serves to remind us how much better our current FO is from the Gene Smith era.
Rasheen Mathis went to a small school.