(05-20-2019, 01:05 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I don't care where he lines up, just have him getting after the QB. He wasn't very good at pass defense in college despite doing it quite a bit, and pass rushing is obviously the far more important skill, so just let him flourish at that.
Where did you see he wasn't good in pass defense in college. Your boys at PFF strongly disagree
(05-20-2019, 08:14 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2019, 01:05 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I don't care where he lines up, just have him getting after the QB. He wasn't very good at pass defense in college despite doing it quite a bit, and pass rushing is obviously the far more important skill, so just let him flourish at that.
Where did you see he wasn't good in pass defense in college. Your boys at PFF strongly disagree
Same. I heard he excelled at just about anything they asked him to do at Kentucky. Maybe he's the player Todd Wash finally needs to make his defense come more to life. Trying to remember how Seattle used Bruce Irvin during his four year stint up there. I think they had him play everywhere too. Probably going to be similar with how Allen gets worked into the defense.
(05-20-2019, 01:41 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2019, 01:05 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I don't care where he lines up, just have him getting after the QB. He wasn't very good at pass defense in college despite doing it quite a bit, and pass rushing is obviously the far more important skill, so just let him flourish at that.
Allen was actually pretty good in coverage this past season from what I seen and by all reports. Which games are you referring to where he "wasnt very good"?
(05-20-2019, 08:14 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2019, 01:05 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I don't care where he lines up, just have him getting after the QB. He wasn't very good at pass defense in college despite doing it quite a bit, and pass rushing is obviously the far more important skill, so just let him flourish at that.
Where did you see he wasn't good in pass defense in college. Your boys at PFF strongly disagree
Do they? He wasn't targeted a lot, but when he was teams were very successful.
https://twitter.com/PFF_Jaguars/status/1...6042900482
(05-21-2019, 10:23 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2019, 01:41 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Allen was actually pretty good in coverage this past season from what I seen and by all reports. Which games are you referring to where he "wasnt very good"?
(05-20-2019, 08:14 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Where did you see he wasn't good in pass defense in college. Your boys at PFF strongly disagree
Do they? He wasn't targeted a lot, but when he was teams were very successful.
https://twitter.com/PFF_Jaguars/status/1...6042900482
While that "rating" doesn't sound good, the 20 targets on 145 snaps means he was doing something right quite often when dropping back or he'd have been picked on more.
Regardless, I don't anticipate it being a major role for him here, especially right away.
(05-21-2019, 10:23 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2019, 01:41 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Allen was actually pretty good in coverage this past season from what I seen and by all reports. Which games are you referring to where he "wasnt very good"?
(05-20-2019, 08:14 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Where did you see he wasn't good in pass defense in college. Your boys at PFF strongly disagree
Do they? He wasn't targeted a lot, but when he was teams were very successful.
https://twitter.com/PFF_Jaguars/status/1...6042900482
Yes he graded highly and forced 6 incompletions on 20 targets this year. Graded even higher last year too
(05-21-2019, 10:34 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Yes he graded highly and forced 6 incompletions on 20 targets this year.
Out of only 35 draft eligible EDGES he was graded 30th in yards per cover snap and 28th in passer rating against. That's just not good. Let him go after the QB and forget the rest. Like I said, that's far more valuable and he's far better at it anyway.
(05-21-2019, 10:23 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (05-20-2019, 01:41 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Allen was actually pretty good in coverage this past season from what I seen and by all reports. Which games are you referring to where he "wasnt very good"?
(05-20-2019, 08:14 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Where did you see he wasn't good in pass defense in college. Your boys at PFF strongly disagree
Do they? He wasn't targeted a lot, but when he was teams were very successful.
https://twitter.com/PFF_Jaguars/status/1...6042900482
14 rec. and 148 yards given up on 145 coverage snaps is damn good for a LB lol. So yes, that is pretty good. Are you just going off that tweet as usual or do you have some plays/games to use as an example of him not being so good in coverage?
(05-21-2019, 10:40 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2019, 10:23 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Do they? He wasn't targeted a lot, but when he was teams were very successful.
https://twitter.com/PFF_Jaguars/status/1...6042900482
14 rec. and 148 yards given up on 145 coverage snaps is damn good for a LB lol. So yes, that is pretty good. Are you just going off that tweet as usual or do you have some plays/games to use as an example of him not being so good in coverage?
You're really asking if I watched every snap of every game again to watch for 20 targets? Get real. That's just an easy excuse for you to be able to shrug off any evidence you don't like while confirming any data you do like.
He’s dropped into coverage 300 times over the last two seasons, far more than any other top edge defender in this draft class. While most edges drop into “curl/flat” responsibilities where most plays are made working downhill in condensed space, Allen has shown the ability to run down the field with tight ends and running backs while showing impressive catch-point ball skills.
It's really hard to judge based of number of coverage snaps. We've all seen how chronically underused beast TE like Howard/Kittle/Hock/etc were used in college. Same w/ RB really. Show me what happened when they were targeted though.
(05-21-2019, 11:01 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2019, 10:53 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]You're really asking if I watched every snap of every game again to watch for 20 targets? Get real. That's just an easy excuse for you to be able to shrug off any evidence you don't like while confirming any data you do like.
Overall, Allen forced six incompletions on only 21 targets last season while grading at 78.3 in coverage, a year removed from grading at 83.2.
If Allen wasn’t so good as a pass-rusher, he’d be a viable off-the-ball linebacker with valuable coverage skills. Of course, an ideal scenario has Allen tapping into both his pass-rushing and coverage ability on passing downs, and a creative defensive coordinator can use him to keep opposing offenses off balance.
So exactly like I said. Eschew any evidence you don't like while confirming any data you do like. Fun. Especially since it's the same source.
(05-21-2019, 11:09 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2019, 11:01 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Overall, Allen forced six incompletions on only 21 targets last season while grading at 78.3 in coverage, a year removed from grading at 83.2.
If Allen wasn’t so good as a pass-rusher, he’d be a viable off-the-ball linebacker with valuable coverage skills. Of course, an ideal scenario has Allen tapping into both his pass-rushing and coverage ability on passing downs, and a creative defensive coordinator can use him to keep opposing offenses off balance.
So exactly like I said. Eschew any evidence you don't like while confirming any data you do like. Fun. Especially since it's the same source.
There is 3 separate clips of him in that link and one of him running with Sternberger down field a great pass breakup. I gave my opinion based on what I've seen from him. I seen a few a Kentucky games a year being that play in the SEC and teams tried to stay away from Allen. You say I used the same source then why did you say he isn't very good in coverage when they are praising his coverage skills lol? You are making no sense
So much for PFF being the be all and end all.......
(05-21-2019, 11:38 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]So much for PFF being the be all and end all.......
It's very much like them to take one stat and imply he's good in coverage, then turn around and tweet a different stat to imply he is not.
Those old adages about statistics being used to say anything you want ring true here.
(05-21-2019, 11:09 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2019, 11:01 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Overall, Allen forced six incompletions on only 21 targets last season while grading at 78.3 in coverage, a year removed from grading at 83.2.
If Allen wasn’t so good as a pass-rusher, he’d be a viable off-the-ball linebacker with valuable coverage skills. Of course, an ideal scenario has Allen tapping into both his pass-rushing and coverage ability on passing downs, and a creative defensive coordinator can use him to keep opposing offenses off balance.
So exactly like I said. Eschew any evidence you don't like while confirming any data you do like. Fun. Especially since it's the same source.
Aren't you doing the same thing?
(05-21-2019, 11:33 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (05-21-2019, 11:09 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]So exactly like I said. Eschew any evidence you don't like while confirming any data you do like. Fun. Especially since it's the same source.
There is 3 separate clips of him in that link and one of him running with Sternberger down field a great pass breakup. I gave my opinion based on what I've seen from him. I seen a few a Kentucky games a year being that play in the SEC and teams tried to stay away from Allen. You say I used the same source then why did you say he isn't very good in coverage when they are praising his coverage skills lol? You are making no sense
A whole 3 separate clips out of over 300 coverage snaps. And one of them was only a breakup because the QB was pressured and made a bad underthrow to what was a wide open receiver.