08-05-2019, 10:53 PM
Or just not give them an easy opportunity to kill lots of people in a few seconds.
Weird these global video games don't cause mass shootings everywhere
Weird these global video games don't cause mass shootings everywhere
(08-05-2019, 03:54 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]Uncomfortable statistics that don’t fit the media narrative about mass shootings in United States
While the news about mass shootings is always heartbreaking, it is easy to lose sight of just how uncommon these horrific atrocities are in the United States.
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2018/02/21/...ngs-605633
(08-05-2019, 10:18 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ](08-05-2019, 09:19 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]Typical mass shooter a white male? Think again
The attacks in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, over the weekend that have taken at least 31 lives have put a spotlight on the problem of young, isolated white men carrying out mass shootings.
Read more at https://www.wnd.com/2019/08/typical-mass...bUZcFTt.99
This is spin.
Defining a "mass shooting" as 4 or more victims includes a lot of gangland (drug war) shootings. They are not in the same ballpark as someone going into a public place and killing as many random people as possible.
There are a number of different "reasons" that mass shootings exist, but one thread connects them: the killer is a loser in life who wants to go out in a blaze of glory. The best way to stop this is to eliminate any publicity. Don't name the shooter but give them a degrading new name. My personal choice would not pass the filter here. Of course the press would have to cooperate, so good luck with that.
(08-05-2019, 09:20 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ](08-05-2019, 08:33 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]You make it sound like everyone who owns these types of guns are woman beating, drug dealers. I assure you, that is not the case. Probably 97% of the people who own semi-automatic rifles are law abiding citizens who bought the guns legally and have never been in trouble with the law and probably never will. They may not trust the government, but that doesn't make you a criminal. The people who have them that I know are church going, blue collar workers with morals and values. Just because they don't want to register weapons that they bought long ago, in a legal fashion, does not make them bad. I know I certainly trust the government less now, than at any point in history. Why would I want them to know that I have something they might not approve of? If no one knows you have that type of weapon, why would I take the chance of registering it? That would be stupid.
I am sorry that my post gave you that impression.
I agree with you about 97% of gun owners. Maybe that's not exactly the right number but it's close. My point is, a few of the bad ones, the 3%, would be found unregistered, and it would make their consequences worse. And those consequences will persuade many of the 97%, slowly but surely, to register.
(08-05-2019, 10:53 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Or just not give them an easy opportunity to kill lots of people in a few seconds.Lol I was just thinking this.
Weird these global video games don't cause mass shootings everywhere
(08-06-2019, 06:40 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ](08-05-2019, 10:53 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Or just not give them an easy opportunity to kill lots of people in a few seconds.Lol I was just thinking this.
Weird these global video games don't cause mass shootings everywhere
Mental Illness and video games are prevalent all over the world and yet the good ol USA is the one making the headlines for these shootings.
(08-06-2019, 08:38 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ](08-06-2019, 06:40 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Lol I was just thinking this.
Mental Illness and video games are prevalent all over the world and yet the good ol USA is the one making the headlines for these shootings.
I appreciate everyone's perspective on this problem even when we don't agree on the solution. Having said that, we should also work from a factual basis, and that factual basis is that the United States is not the only country where this happens and doesn't lead in any of the categories related to frequency or deaths per capita or by population (data at the link below). But you are right that we "make headlines", I wonder if that in itself isn't an indictment of the business of "headline news" on the creation of copycats?
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countri...y-country/
I know Mikesez and others like him just can't wait to start ripping these factual numbers apart in an attempt to make Orange Man Bad, but the truth is that we hear about American events more because America is closer and bigger than any of these other countries that are dealing with similar instances.
(08-05-2019, 05:51 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ](08-05-2019, 04:37 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Another shooting another laundry list of bad excuses...
Video games? Really?
Are we going to blame Eminem and Marilyn Manson next?
Maybe it's all the legal pot making people go all Reefer Madness?
Two main issues here.
Mental health.
Proper enforcement of current laws and restrictions.
These are what needs to be addressed. Firstly, by the social/family aspect... ya know... try to raise your kids right. Don't screw up their heads with your bs (like identity politics, abusing them, bringing your mental issues on them [get therapy]) Secondly by society (at some point we have to take responsibility, on both sides of the aisle, race arguments, religion arguments, whatever, at stop festering an environment where the answer is almost always violence and division)
Thirdly, people need to be held accountable to selling guns to people they shouldn't, cutting corners on paperwork, and there probably should be stricter regulations to gauge mental health.
And finally, illegal possession, use in crimes, or illegal use otherwise should be punished to the strictest of possibilities.
But sure... blame video games, music, republicans... blm... cops... NRA and guns... whatever.
I think that the problem is the result of multiple things. I agree with you regarding family and social makeup. However, there are multiple parts to this problem that should be addressed.
Violent video games certainly do have a place in this. Certainly it's not the SOLE reason, but it is part of the problem. Violent video games desensitize children to real violence and killing. Add to the content the fact that video games have become the "parent(s)" in a lot of children's lives.
The video game isn't the problem. The parents allowing a child not mature and/or intelligent enough to differentiate between games and reality is the problem.
One big reason (my opinion) is the rise of social media and the internet. There is just too much violent and graphic information out there that didn't used to be readily available. Couple that to the fact that so many people, specifically younger generations are so tied to social media and their cell phones. That ties into my third point.
I agree... Social media and the internet are poisonous to society and especially those easily influenced, like children. Once again though, it is up to parents to regulate and police their minor children's use of these things. We can not assume the internet to be good and our kids freely roam it. We as parents (and as people who use social media) should be better in general. What we post, how we disagree. We kinda need to close Pandora's box and maybe keep some stuff to ourselves.
Mental health is an issue which should also include drug use. People, especially younger generations don't interact or socialize "normally". Their "friends" are the people on social media and their interaction is via Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, etc. There is no "risk" of rejection other than not getting "followers" or "likes", especially if their "friends" have more "likes" or "followers".
Yes, drug use (legal and illegal) is a big problem. Mental health in general is largely ignored by most people as a huge cause in the rise of violence, division, divorces, drop outs, etc etc.
The root issue here starts at home. We tend to pass on generational problems (i.e. broken homes cause broken homes, alcoholism and drug use cause more substance abuse). I think overuse of social media itself could actually be a mental health issue. How often have we read people absolutely lose their minds in posts on this political forum alone, never mind the absolute garbage all over Facebook and Twitter these days. (I'm going on 4 years Facebook free and 1 year off Twitter)
Another reason is the lack of education and training. You have children getting suspended from school for eating a pop-tart into the shape of a gun or wearing a t-shirt that might depict a fallen soldier's memorial (picture of a rifle, boots and helmet).
I'm seeing that we actually agree on a lot. The biggest issue we face is ourselves as a society devolving.
Finally, you have our law makers more concerned about "global warming" and the right to choose which restroom you use and letting children "decide" what gender they want to be.
It has nothing to do with firearms and I wish that certain politicians and MSM would quit pushing the "weapons of war" and "assault weapons" narrative.
(08-05-2019, 10:18 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ](08-05-2019, 09:19 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]Typical mass shooter a white male? Think again
The attacks in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, over the weekend that have taken at least 31 lives have put a spotlight on the problem of young, isolated white men carrying out mass shootings.
Read more at https://www.wnd.com/2019/08/typical-mass...bUZcFTt.99
This is spin.
Defining a "mass shooting" as 4 or more victims includes a lot of gangland (drug war) shootings. They are not in the same ballpark as someone going into a public place and killing as many random people as possible.
There are a number of different "reasons" that mass shootings exist, but one thread connects them: the killer is a loser in life who wants to go out in a blaze of glory. The best way to stop this is to eliminate any publicity. Don't name the shooter but give them a degrading new name. My personal choice would not pass the filter here. Of course the press would have to cooperate, so good luck with that.
(08-06-2019, 04:06 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]It all starts with us.
We have the power to change the future, if we could all stop arguing over the wrong details. (black/white, what type of guns are OK, censorship over guidance/education)
(08-06-2019, 04:39 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]If a shooter in an attack resulting in multiple fatalities is Muslim, he's a radical terrorist.
If he's a white supremist he's mentally ill.
Check.
And when the POTUS repeatedly calls the influx of immigrants from Central America an invasion, then hears a supporter yell "Shoot them" and he laughs and makes a joke of it while others laugh and applaud, he's helping the problem, right?
(08-06-2019, 04:39 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]If a shooter in an attack resulting in multiple fatalities is Muslim, he's a radical terrorist.
If he's a white supremist he's mentally ill.
Check.
And when the POTUS repeatedly calls the influx of immigrants from Central America an invasion, then hears a supporter yell "Shoot them" and he laughs and makes a joke of it while others laugh and applaud, he's helping the problem, right?
(08-06-2019, 06:22 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ](08-06-2019, 04:39 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]If a shooter in an attack resulting in multiple fatalities is Muslim, he's a radical terrorist.
If he's a white supremist he's mentally ill.
Check.
And when the POTUS repeatedly calls the influx of immigrants from Central America an invasion, then hears a supporter yell "Shoot them" and he laughs and makes a joke of it while others laugh and applaud, he's helping the problem, right?
No true. The Pulse shooter was mentally ill, not a radical terrorist.
Many of the mass shooters, including [BLEEP] #14, were known as a problem to the authorities beforehand. Adding new laws while not enforcing the existing laws nor keeping track of known threats is just empty virtue signalling. Of course with the Left results don't matter, just intentions, even when misguided.
And the massive flux of people illegally crossing our border IS an invasion. Use of the correct term should not be considered wrong in any sense.
(08-06-2019, 08:38 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ](08-06-2019, 06:22 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]No true. The Pulse shooter was mentally ill, not a radical terrorist.
Many of the mass shooters, including [BLEEP] #14, were known as a problem to the authorities beforehand. Adding new laws while not enforcing the existing laws nor keeping track of known threats is just empty virtue signalling. Of course with the Left results don't matter, just intentions, even when misguided.
And the massive flux of people illegally crossing our border IS an invasion. Use of the correct term should not be considered wrong in any sense.
1) the Pulse shooter called 911, and posted to Facebook, saying clearly and lucidly that he was acting on behalf of ISIS.
2) "invasion" means that the newcomer is harming the host. The Spanish speaking guy mowing your lawn while his wife takes their kids to an English speaking school is not harming this country, unless unemployment is high, and even then only in an indirect and non-malicious sense.
(08-06-2019, 07:36 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]I think it’s fairly safe to say, if you are a mass murderer, you’re also mentally ill. I don’t care what race, side of the aisle or generation you grew up in.
I still feel that parental figures doing their job could potentially cut down on some of this. Maybe not 100% but it would help.
(08-06-2019, 08:38 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ](08-06-2019, 06:22 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]No true. The Pulse shooter was mentally ill, not a radical terrorist.
Many of the mass shooters, including [BLEEP] #14, were known as a problem to the authorities beforehand. Adding new laws while not enforcing the existing laws nor keeping track of known threats is just empty virtue signalling. Of course with the Left results don't matter, just intentions, even when misguided.
And the massive flux of people illegally crossing our border IS an invasion. Use of the correct term should not be considered wrong in any sense.
1) the Pulse shooter called 911, and posted to Facebook, saying clearly and lucidly that he was acting on behalf of ISIS.
2) "invasion" means that the newcomer is harming the host. The Spanish speaking guy mowing your lawn while his wife takes their kids to an English speaking school is not harming this country, unless unemployment is high, and even then only in an indirect and non-malicious sense.
(08-06-2019, 10:02 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ](08-06-2019, 08:38 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]1) the Pulse shooter called 911, and posted to Facebook, saying clearly and lucidly that he was acting on behalf of ISIS.
2) "invasion" means that the newcomer is harming the host. The Spanish speaking guy mowing your lawn while his wife takes their kids to an English speaking school is not harming this country, unless unemployment is high, and even then only in an indirect and non-malicious sense.
1) Nonetheless, [BLEEP] #14 was known as an unstable individual before this, and not all of it was based on his beliefs.
2) There are some who are illegally entering who do harm. Just the disruption they cause from the political infighting is harming the US. And while it was true for earlier illegal crossings, the "lawn mowing" guy is not typical of those entering the US since 2009, most are coming to live off of US largess.
(08-06-2019, 04:39 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]If a shooter in an attack resulting in multiple fatalities is Muslim, he's a radical terrorist.
All things considered, this is a real possibility.
If he's a white supremist he's mentally ill.
Possible, but mostly he's just an [BLEEP].
Check.
And when the POTUS repeatedly calls the influx of immigrants from Central America an invasion, then hears a supporter yell "Shoot them" and he laughs and makes a joke of it while others laugh and applaud, he's helping the problem, right?
Nope. There is nothing remotely funny about how polarized this country is and it's coming from both sides. Check those nice folks outside McConnell's house threatening him.
(08-06-2019, 08:59 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ](08-06-2019, 07:36 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]I think it’s fairly safe to say, if you are a mass murderer, you’re also mentally ill. I don’t care what race, side of the aisle or generation you grew up in.
I still feel that parental figures doing their job could potentially cut down on some of this. Maybe not 100% but it would help.
I don't agree. Hate is not a mental illness. Deciding that others have made your life worthless and a blaze of glory is your best shot at squeezing out any worth at all can result from perfectly lucid thoughts and perfectly normal moods. These are things that a counselor or a medication could have helped with, but a real sincere, engaged friend is best.