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It's already been talked about.

So? If he were white, which also happens, would this be news? Mounted police don't have a seat in the back for perps... they handcuff them, tie them to the horse, and walk them where they need to go. Happens in NYC too.

(08-08-2019, 03:11 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]It's already been talked about.

So? If he were white, which also happens, would this be news? Mounted police don't have a seat in the back for perps... they handcuff them, tie them to the horse, and walk them where they need to go. Happens in NYC too.

Didn’t see a thread on it. 

I don’t think a white person would have been treated the same given the state of social affairs right now. 

Are you okay with having a handcuffed person being led by a rope? The suspect cannot get away.

(08-08-2019, 03:15 PM)Jamies_fried_chicken Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-08-2019, 03:11 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]It's already been talked about.

So? If he were white, which also happens, would this be news? Mounted police don't have a seat in the back for perps... they handcuff them, tie them to the horse, and walk them where they need to go. Happens in NYC too.

Didn’t see a thread on it. 

I don’t think a white person would have been treated the same given the state of social affairs right now. 

Are you okay with having a handcuffed person being led by a rope? The suspect cannot get away.

I have certain feelings about mounted and bicycle cops and their uselessness but that's another thing.

It happens to white people all the time though - that's the thing. If a mounted cop arrests you and there's no officer with a vehicle around they have no choice but to do what they did in Galveston.

(08-08-2019, 03:20 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-08-2019, 03:15 PM)Jamies_fried_chicken Wrote: [ -> ]Didn’t see a thread on it. 

I don’t think a white person would have been treated the same given the state of social affairs right now. 

Are you okay with having a handcuffed person being led by a rope? The suspect cannot get away.

I have a certain feelings about mounted and bicycle cops and their uselessness but that's another thing.

It happens to white people all the time though - that's the thing. If a mounted cop arrests you and there's no officer with a vehicle around they have no choice but to do what they did in Galveston.

Yet Galveston PD were forced to apologize because they knew the practice was not necessary especially if they had the resources nearby where they could have waited for them.

(08-08-2019, 03:23 PM)Jamies_fried_chicken Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-08-2019, 03:20 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]I have a certain feelings about mounted and bicycle cops and their uselessness but that's another thing.

It happens to white people all the time though - that's the thing. If a mounted cop arrests you and there's no officer with a vehicle around they have no choice but to do what they did in Galveston.

Yet Galveston PD were forced to apologize because they knew the practice was not necessary especially if they had the resources nearby where they could have waited for them.

They apologized because of the current crybaby whine whine environment - which was weak and stupid of them.

(08-08-2019, 03:15 PM)Jamies_fried_chicken Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-08-2019, 03:11 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]It's already been talked about.

So? If he were white, which also happens, would this be news? Mounted police don't have a seat in the back for perps... they handcuff them, tie them to the horse, and walk them where they need to go. Happens in NYC too.

Didn’t see a thread on it. 

I don’t think a white person would have been treated the same given the state of social affairs right now. 

Are you okay with having a handcuffed person being led by a rope? The suspect cannot get away.

What you think doesn't change reality one iota.

Let's just all admit that that wasn't a good look for the PD, and they could have used better judgment and avoided the controversy.

(08-10-2019, 09:44 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Let's just all admit that that wasn't a good look for the PD, and they could have used better judgment and avoided the controversy.

Let's admit that more people getting that treatment would be a deterrent.

Let's admit that innocence before proven guilty should make a method for bringing a suspect in not be used as a deterrent.

But if we accept it, why not horsewhip any suspect? That would be a deterrent, too.

(08-08-2019, 03:26 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-08-2019, 03:23 PM)Jamies_fried_chicken Wrote: [ -> ]Yet Galveston PD were forced to apologize because they knew the practice was not necessary especially if they had the resources nearby where they could have waited for them.

They apologized because of the current crybaby whine whine environment - which was weak and stupid of them.

Quote:"While this technique of using mounted horses to transport a person during an arrest is considered a best practice in certain scenarios, such as during crowd control, the practice was not used correctly in this instance," the department said.

Do you have statistics backing up your claim that this happens to white people "all the time" in Galveston?

(08-08-2019, 03:45 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-08-2019, 03:15 PM)Jamies_fried_chicken Wrote: [ -> ]Didn’t see a thread on it. 

I don’t think a white person would have been treated the same given the state of social affairs right now. 

Are you okay with having a handcuffed person being led by a rope? The suspect cannot get away.

What you think doesn't change reality one iota.

Same here.

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(08-10-2019, 12:01 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-10-2019, 09:44 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Let's just all admit that that wasn't a good look for the PD, and they could have used better judgment and avoided the controversy.

Let's admit that more people getting that treatment would be a deterrent.

Black people being hung by rope was a deterrent to what exactly?

Lynchings were a terrible injustice committed against the black community, and we should all be sympathetic to impact this has had on the psyche of the black community. Allowing those in power to intimidate a group of people should not be tolerated. That says, the crux of this argument lies squarely on whether or not you believe those cops paraded a black man around Galveston exclusively to send a message to other blacks. This is a difficult argument to make. Absent any evidence that this was the case, one must rely on personal biases to justify that position. I think you'd get a lot of support from even the most extreme right wingers on here if you could show this was done on purpose. To be fair, I can't find any evidence this was standard procedure, aside from what is claimed. At best, it's speculative, but it's always easier to assume incompetence or naivety.

Again, it sucks that our media is more interested in generating controversy to drive up profits than it is in reporting any objective truth. I think a lot of these tensions could be swayed if the media would do it's due diligence with these issues, instead of milking it for what it's worth.

(08-10-2019, 02:11 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-08-2019, 03:26 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]They apologized because of the current crybaby whine whine environment - which was weak and stupid of them.

Quote:"While this technique of using mounted horses to transport a person during an arrest is considered a best practice in certain scenarios, such as during crowd control, the practice was not used correctly in this instance," the department said.

Do you have statistics backing up your claim that this happens to white people "all the time" in Galveston?

Would you acknowledge them anyways? No. Have we gotten to a place in this country where we need to further divide all data into some racial profile? Do you have statistics that show it only happens to black criminals and not white, Mexican, Asian, etc.?

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(08-10-2019, 09:18 PM)Jamies_fried_chicken Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-08-2019, 03:45 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]What you think doesn't change reality one iota.

Same here.

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(08-10-2019, 12:01 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Let's admit that more people getting that treatment would be a deterrent.

Black people being hung by rope was a deterrent to what exactly?

Pretty sure he said "people" and didn't specify a race. If being honest, whites were lynch right along side blacks in the fight against southern racism.

(08-08-2019, 03:26 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-08-2019, 03:23 PM)Jamies_fried_chicken Wrote: [ -> ]Yet Galveston PD were forced to apologize because they knew the practice was not necessary especially if they had the resources nearby where they could have waited for them.

They apologized because of the current crybaby whine whine environment - which was weak and stupid of them.

Apologizing doesn't make them look weak and stupid.  It makes them look like they did the smart thing and cut their losses.  First they did something really dumb, because someone didn't realize that in today's environment having two mounted white police leading a black man down the street on a rope is looks really really bad.  Someone higher up decided correctly that the smart thing to do is apologize and put it behind them.

(08-10-2019, 09:18 PM)Jamies_fried_chicken Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-08-2019, 03:45 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]What you think doesn't change reality one iota.

Same here.

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(08-10-2019, 12:01 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Let's admit that more people getting that treatment would be a deterrent.

Black people being hung by rope was a deterrent to what exactly?

Well now, that depends. If the black people were convicted criminals then hanging them by a rope would permanently deter recidivism, same as it would with white criminals.

What that has to do with this thread though is cogent only in your racism infused imagination.

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(08-10-2019, 02:03 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]Let's admit that innocence before proven guilty should make a method for bringing a suspect in not be used as a deterrent.

But if we accept it, why not horsewhip any suspect? That would be a deterrent, too.

Because being taken into custody is not a punishment, and this method they used is just fine with me, whether the suspect was white, black, green, purple or any other color.

(08-11-2019, 09:15 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-10-2019, 02:11 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]Do you have statistics backing up your claim that this happens to white people "all the time" in Galveston?

Would you acknowledge them anyways? No. Have we gotten to a place in this country where we need to further divide all data into some racial profile? Do you have statistics that show it only happens to black criminals and not white, Mexican, Asian, etc.?

I never said it only happens tp black people, that must be something bouncing around in your head. I know it happened to one black man. TP was the one saying it happens to white people all the time. Are you his spokesman now?

(08-11-2019, 07:55 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-10-2019, 09:18 PM)Jamies_fried_chicken Wrote: [ -> ]Same here.

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Black people being hung by rope was a deterrent to what exactly?

Well now, that depends. If the black people were convicted criminals then hanging them by a rope would permanently deter recidivism, same as it would with white criminals.

What that has to do with this thread though is cogent only in your racism infused imagination.

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(08-10-2019, 02:03 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]Let's admit that innocence before proven guilty should make a method for bringing a suspect in not be used as a deterrent.

But if we accept it, why not horsewhip any suspect? That would be a deterrent, too.

Because being taken into custody is not a punishment, and this method they used is just fine with me, whether the suspect was white, black, green, purple or any other color.

If he was  an innocent man, as the Constitution says he is, how is this method a deterrent?

(08-11-2019, 08:24 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-11-2019, 07:55 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Well now, that depends. If the black people were convicted criminals then hanging them by a rope would permanently deter recidivism, same as it would with white criminals.

What that has to do with this thread though is cogent only in your racism infused imagination.

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Because being taken into custody is not a punishment, and this method they used is just fine with me, whether the suspect was white, black, green, purple or any other color.

If he was  an innocent man, as the Constitution says he is, how is this method a deterrent?

How is taking a person into custody ever a deterrent? It's the broken window theory. People see cops doing their jobs and they quit acting out.