(08-16-2019, 10:54 PM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-13-2019, 03:50 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]1. Does anyone have proof that we offered Arob more than the Bears? I find that very hard to believe since he got barely less than the franchise tag value for his AAV. If we made him an offer that was as good, or even close to as good, as what the Bears did we would have just used the franchise tag on him. I think the whole of the evidence would suggest that we probably offered him something very similar to the Marqise Lee offer.
2. Anyone who is quoting the stats for Arob clearly didn't watch the Bears last year. It's not his fault the Nagy offense is hugely predicated on spreading the ball around (to a fault really). When Arob got his chances he was making the same acrobatic, studly 50/50 catches that we were used to. He would have helped us out a ton last year.
Asking for "proof" to which the Jaguars offered A-Rob to stay isn't feasible. It was also prior to you joining this board respectfully speaking. Said comments came from two different interviews to which he and the HC stated/confirmed the offer for him to stay in Jax. Do you remember him being irate w/BB5 during practices w/respect to ball placement? We could've offered him the moon but he no longer wanted to play here because of BB5 to which he also stated. Not necessarily in those words but it was clear.
A-Rob is no longer an Jaguar so let's let this debate rest w/respect to wouda, shoulda, coulda about him.
NH3...
That's exactly what the franchise tag is for then.
(08-16-2019, 05:21 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-16-2019, 04:27 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ]It's fine. Foles has never finished a season from beginning to end. We'll be fine.
Yeah. Backups generally don't have a history of playing the full season.
And yet we are paying him specifically to do just that when he's never done it. Wonderful idea. The Jags FO are geniuses.
(08-17-2019, 03:45 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-16-2019, 05:21 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah. Backups generally don't have a history of playing the full season.
And yet we are paying him specifically to do just that when he's never done it. Wonderful idea. The Jags FO are geniuses.
What else were the supposed to do this year? Continue to plod along with Blake Bortles? Give up a handful of future draft picks to move up 5 or 6 spots to secure a QB like Kyler Murray? Or potentially reach on a prospect like Daniel Jones after leap frogging them by a spot or two?
There was no sense in investing in yet another rookie QB with this defense that they currently have intact. What we do know is that Foles is capable of stepping up in high pressure games. He's won a title. That's more than what can be said for anybody in this city outside of Tom Coughlin himself.
Whether this pans out or not remains to be seen. But they had to make an effort at the QB position. This QB draft class was suspect at best. They blew it a few years ago when they passed on the likes of Watson and Mahomes. Can't look back now. If Foles flops? There's a possibility of landing Tua out of Bama', Herbert out of Oregon, Fromm out of UGA or Eason out of Washington. Or... they could ride it out another year and try to land Lawrence out of Clemson in 2021.
At any rate. They had to take a shot. Would rather see a swing and a miss Vs. them watching the ball casually glide over the plate as they put the bat down and did nothing...
We are destined for clawing to average. We haven't build a capable offense since the expansion days. The Del Rio years were all offensive line and running game. We went from exciting WRs and TEs to who are these guys? Every time we have a worthy defense we have an offense that can't finish the job.
This team has major red flags. Right now Campbell is the only one I actually like. The teams personality is abrasive and not really fan friendly either. <--- Note that is as a fan stuck living in another city. These are just my observations as an away fan.
I mean IDK maybe they could of drafted Lamar Jackson and let him sit instead of Taven but what do I know.
(08-17-2019, 03:45 PM)Setsuna00 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-16-2019, 05:21 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah. Backups generally don't have a history of playing the full season.
And yet we are paying him specifically to do just that when he's never done it. Wonderful idea. The Jags FO are geniuses.
This may come as a shock but no QB ever played a full season until they did. That includes some backups that went on to win superbowls.
(08-17-2019, 04:16 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]We are destined for clawing to average. We haven't build a capable offense since the expansion days. The Del Rio years were all offensive line and running game. We went from exciting WRs and TEs to who are these guys? Every time we have a worthy defense we have an offense that can't finish the job.
This team has major red flags. Right now Campbell is the only one I actually like. The teams personality is abrasive and not really fan friendly either. <--- Note that is as a fan stuck living in another city. These are just my observations as an away fan.
You know you haven’t actually seen the 2019 starting offense, right?
You may be pleasantly surprised at Foles behind the starting oline opposed to a rookie behind a bunch of scrubs.
(08-17-2019, 12:58 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (08-16-2019, 10:54 PM)NH3 Wrote: [ -> ]Asking for "proof" to which the Jaguars offered A-Rob to stay isn't feasible. It was also prior to you joining this board respectfully speaking. Said comments came from two different interviews to which he and the HC stated/confirmed the offer for him to stay in Jax. Do you remember him being irate w/BB5 during practices w/respect to ball placement? We could've offered him the moon but he no longer wanted to play here because of BB5 to which he also stated. Not necessarily in those words but it was clear.
A-Rob is no longer an Jaguar so let's let this debate rest w/respect to wouda, shoulda, coulda about him.
NH3...
That's exactly what the franchise tag is for then.
I'm trying to recall any player w/such an injury that was franchise tagged after becoming an FA.
NH3...
(08-17-2019, 06:35 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (08-17-2019, 04:16 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]We are destined for clawing to average. We haven't build a capable offense since the expansion days. The Del Rio years were all offensive line and running game. We went from exciting WRs and TEs to who are these guys? Every time we have a worthy defense we have an offense that can't finish the job.
This team has major red flags. Right now Campbell is the only one I actually like. The teams personality is abrasive and not really fan friendly either. <--- Note that is as a fan stuck living in another city. These are just my observations as an away fan.
You know you haven’t actually seen the 2019 starting offense, right?
You may be pleasantly surprised at Foles behind the starting oline opposed to a rookie behind a bunch of scrubs.
If we win they'll still be unhappy.
(08-17-2019, 04:16 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]We are destined for clawing to average. We haven't build a capable offense since the expansion days. The Del Rio years were all offensive line and running game. We went from exciting WRs and TEs to who are these guys? Every time we have a worthy defense we have an offense that can't finish the job.
This team has major red flags. Right now Campbell is the only one I actually like. The teams personality is abrasive and not really fan friendly either. <--- Note that is as a fan stuck living in another city. These are just my observations as an away fan.
We were 5th in scoring and 6th in yards in 2017.
Is that not "capable offense?"
Last year before the injuries kicked in, we had two games out of four where we scored over 30 points, and 3 games out of the first 5 where we had 480 yards or more in offense.
What exactly do you deem to be "capable?"
For that matter, what is "fan friendly?"
How could you not like Ngakoue or Bouye?
Those are two unheralded guys who built themselves from obscurity into two of the better players in their positions in team history.
None of the guys on defense and most on offense have been in major off field troubles.
I don't get the antipathy here.
Yes last year was very disappointing, but to have hostility towards the team you call your own based upon the reasons you state here is puzzling.
Thank you. I look at some of the replies and feel, like what are these people talking about. Fan friendly? I feel like he is saying that because of Jalen Ramsey who is fan friendly but is outspoken because he is a competitor. He backs everything up and gives 100%. No one cared when he was talking and we were winning. I think they just want something to complain about. If anything complain about the front office that when we had 2 WRs that went over 1k yards in since Jimmy and Keenan, we let both of them get away. (In regards to a capable offense)
Or the fact that we can't get a deal done with our homegrown talent that would love to be here and have played up to and exceeded expectations.
There is a reason I have said as an away fan. Of course I enjoy the winning and the reward after the years of struggle. If I was just a guy or just a general NFL fan, I wouldn't stick with my team. I appreciate everyone on the boards and the broad opinions on each topic. I'm not falling into the trap of what is seen in preseason for sure.
When we had a better offense, I was still weary of Bortles but hey he is gone now. I have mixed feelings about Foles because we haven't built an offensive line. The Front Office didn't ignore the Oline it has just been a series of unfortunate events. I understand I'm projecting a bit and correct I concede that I should be more appreciative of Bouye, he is enjoyable to watch and has a good story.
The starting Oline has been just fine. Once we get past that it has drastically deteriorated with just a single injury let alone 2 or 3. Hopefully between Shatley, Wells and Richardson we have developed some quality depth. Big news flash.. not a SINGLE team is ever complete talent wise. It's about getting everyone to buy in to one goal and work their butts off to achieve it. How many players have played for the Patriots in the last 19 years? It's just understanding the system and making the right moves to fill the voids along the way. Tell me a team that can look at their roster and feel like they have a pro bowler at every position? Bringing in guys like Foles will help hold people accountable and hopefully get everyone back on the same page. Then it's a matter of staying healthy or getting healthy at the right time.