Maybe this isn't new but it sure seems to be front and center this season. First AB and his special brand of crazy (who, IMHO with Oakland releasing him, set a dangerous precedent for players to behave like total nutjobs just to get their way); Jalen Ramsey's agent is shopping him around because everyone knows Ramsey is apoplectic; now this dude is
unhappy. I get wanting to be competitive and be on a winning team but honor your commitment to the team that gave you a job.
Miami player says he's unhappy and wants out and he's traded to the Steelers.
"If I ran the Miami Dolphins, I wouldn’t have traded Minkah Fitzpatrick. He represents the exact kind of 22-year-old player the Dolphins need. You don’t just give up on that because he says, “I’m unhappy.”
So Fitzpatrick wanted to be traded?
So what?
And big deal that the Dolphins got the Pittsburgh Steelers’ first-round pick next spring in the trade. Let’s play this out. Maybe they get lucky with that pick. Maybe Pittsburgh (0-2) keeps losing without starting quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, who is out for the season after suffering an elbow injury. Maybe that becomes a top-10 draft pick.
Maybe they can turn that into a player like, you know, Minkah Fitzpatrick, who the Dolphins drafted 11th in 2018.
I’m dizzy already from this revolving-door rebuild......"
The " I WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW" crowd has aged into the NFL. Sad state of affairs I tell you.
Yeah, if the NFL turns into an NBA-like situation where there are only a small handful of competitive teams, and those teams are determined by player-dictated personnel movement ...
... I'm out.
(09-17-2019, 07:15 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, if the NFL turns into an NBA-like situation where there are only a small handful of competitive teams, and those teams are determined by player-dictated personnel movement ...
... I'm out.
You, me, and a very good percentage of others. And to think, they’ve worked so hard to get the most money out of every outlet. That’ll be a damper.
(09-17-2019, 07:15 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, if the NFL turns into an NBA-like situation where there are only a small handful of competitive teams, and those teams are determined by player-dictated personnel movement ...
... I'm out.
+1
(09-17-2019, 07:10 PM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]The " I WANT IT AND I WANT IT NOW" crowd has aged into the NFL. Sad state of affairs I tell you.
I am so thankful I was born and raised before these kids in a time when we learned we weren't owed anything. If we wanted something we had to work for it and pay our dues.
It'd good to see players using their leverage to do what they want.
The NFL plucks rookies from college and locks them down for 4/5 years on cost controlled wages in places they may not want to go. I'm 100% for any player using his leverage to where he wants to go, it's up to the team to provide enough value and worth for the player to stay.
Everyone likes to compare the NFL to a real job when it suits them but if you look at the reverse of that, ordinary people wouldn't stay in a bad situation with bad pay if they had the power to pursue the alternative.
(09-18-2019, 03:25 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]It'd good to see players using their leverage to do what they want.
The NFL plucks rookies from college and locks them down for 4/5 years on cost controlled wages in places they may not want to go. I'm 100% for any player using his leverage to where he wants to go, it's up to the team to provide enough value and worth for the player to stay.
Everyone likes to compare the NFL to a real job when it suits them but if you look at the reverse of that, ordinary people wouldn't stay in a bad situation with bad pay if they had the power to pursue the alternative.
They have a CBA and can choose to not play in the NFL. Welcome to being Organized Labor, now abide by your contract and get to work. The next round of labor negotiations is going to destroy the NFL, either by a stoppage that kills their popularity or by giving the players too much of the destructive power you want them to have.
(09-18-2019, 03:25 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]It'd good to see players using their leverage to do what they want.
The NFL plucks rookies from college and locks them down for 4/5 years on cost controlled wages in places they may not want to go. I'm 100% for any player using his leverage to where he wants to go, it's up to the team to provide enough value and worth for the player to stay.
Everyone likes to compare the NFL to a real job when it suits them but if you look at the reverse of that, ordinary people wouldn't stay in a bad situation with bad pay if they had the power to pursue the alternative.
Yet they always insist on long-term term contracts. Who's fault is that if it turns into a bad situation?
(09-17-2019, 05:38 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe this isn't new but it sure seems to be front and center this season. First AB and his special brand of crazy (who, IMHO with Oakland releasing him, set a dangerous precedent for players to behave like total nutjobs just to get their way); Jalen Ramsey's agent is shopping him around because everyone knows Ramsey is apoplectic; now this dude is unhappy. I get wanting to be competitive and be on a winning team but honor your commitment to the team that gave you a job.
Miami player says he's unhappy and wants out and he's traded to the Steelers.
"If I ran the Miami Dolphins, I wouldn’t have traded Minkah Fitzpatrick. He represents the exact kind of 22-year-old player the Dolphins need. You don’t just give up on that because he says, “I’m unhappy.”
So Fitzpatrick wanted to be traded?
So what?
And big deal that the Dolphins got the Pittsburgh Steelers’ first-round pick next spring in the trade. Let’s play this out. Maybe they get lucky with that pick. Maybe Pittsburgh (0-2) keeps losing without starting quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, who is out for the season after suffering an elbow injury. Maybe that becomes a top-10 draft pick.
Maybe they can turn that into a player like, you know, Minkah Fitzpatrick, who the Dolphins drafted 11th in 2018.
I’m dizzy already from this revolving-door rebuild......"
AB cost himself millions by getting released by the Raiders. So that's not really a good example. No one in their right mind would want to do that.
And the Dolphins may have some grand plan in place to trade a bunch of picks to move up in the draft and get a QB. So the Fitzpatrick trade might actually make some sense if it works out that way.
(09-18-2019, 06:24 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (09-18-2019, 03:25 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]It'd good to see players using their leverage to do what they want.
The NFL plucks rookies from college and locks them down for 4/5 years on cost controlled wages in places they may not want to go. I'm 100% for any player using his leverage to where he wants to go, it's up to the team to provide enough value and worth for the player to stay.
Everyone likes to compare the NFL to a real job when it suits them but if you look at the reverse of that, ordinary people wouldn't stay in a bad situation with bad pay if they had the power to pursue the alternative.
Yet they always insist on long-term term contracts. Who's fault is that if it turns into a bad situation?
Well what do teams do when players no longer serve their purpose? They cut them or trade them, even if there's years left on the deal.
So when a team no longer serves a player I don't have a problem with them seeking something else. And remember, only valuable players can pursue this method. Nobody will give a damn if a 3rd string guard demands a trade. It only matters if you've performed at a high level.
If the league is going to let this happen, why even have a draft? Just let them pick where they want to go coming out of college. Why would the top players want to go to a bad team?
(09-18-2019, 06:47 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (09-18-2019, 06:24 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]Yet they always insist on long-term term contracts. Who's fault is that if it turns into a bad situation?
Well what do teams do when players no longer serve their purpose? They cut them or trade them, even if there's years left on the deal.
So when a team no longer serves a player I don't have a problem with them seeking something else. And remember, only valuable players can pursue this method. Nobody will give a damn if a 3rd string guard demands a trade. It only matters if you've performed at a high level.
So then this only applies to 'good' players. You really see no problem with this? Wow.
You're going to turn this into baseball or basketball where a small-market team like Jacksonville has zero chance to compete.
Sorry, I guess I'm just being a 'boomer'. So hurtful.
Buuuuwwwaaaaa!!! "Cost controlled wages, Bad Pay?" Now I have heard it all. Buuuuwwwaaaaa!!!
(09-18-2019, 07:41 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (09-18-2019, 06:47 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Well what do teams do when players no longer serve their purpose? They cut them or trade them, even if there's years left on the deal.
So when a team no longer serves a player I don't have a problem with them seeking something else. And remember, only valuable players can pursue this method. Nobody will give a damn if a 3rd string guard demands a trade. It only matters if you've performed at a high level.
So then this only applies to 'good' players. You really see no problem with this? Wow.
You're going to turn this into baseball or basketball where a small-market team like Jacksonville has zero chance to compete.
Sorry, I guess I'm just being a 'boomer'. So hurtful.
Well think about it logically, the whole reason guys like Ramsey can demand a trade is because he's so good and he'd have a huge market. What do you think would happen if Geoff Swaim suddenly demanded a trade to a contender? Lol
The best plan of action to keep your star players is...wait for it....win games and pay them lots of money. The same way any league should work.
(09-18-2019, 08:47 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (09-18-2019, 08:38 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Well think about it logically, the whole reason guys like Ramsey can demand a trade is because he's so good and he'd have a huge market. What do you think would happen if Geoff Swaim suddenly demanded a trade to a contender? Lol
The best plan of action to keep your star players is...wait for it....win games and pay them lots of money. The same way any league should work.
Small market teams compete by being competent organisations. Same way big market teams can be awful despite the market size (New York!).
The Jacksonville Jaguars are not a competent organisation which is why their biggest star is leaving.
(09-18-2019, 08:54 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Small market teams compete by being competent organisations. Same way big market teams can be awful despite the market size (New York!).
The Jacksonville Jaguars are not a competent organisation which is why their biggest star is leaving.
Only if they let him. For three more years.
(09-18-2019, 08:58 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ] (09-18-2019, 08:54 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Small market teams compete by being competent organisations. Same way big market teams can be awful despite the market size (New York!).
The Jacksonville Jaguars are not a competent organisation which is why their biggest star is leaving.
Only if they let him. For three more years.
And what do you think they'll do
(09-18-2019, 09:07 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (09-18-2019, 08:58 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ]Only if they let him. For three more years.
And what do you think they'll do
I think they will ship him for the right compensation. If they do not receive it they will play him into the dirt for the next three years.
(09-18-2019, 09:12 AM)Jagwired Wrote: [ -> ] (09-18-2019, 09:07 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]And what do you think they'll do
I think they will ship him for the right compensation. If they do not receive it they will play him into the dirt for the next three years.
Agreed! I also think he'll be moved.
I'd imagine as the weeks go by Jalen will eventually get more disruptive the longer a deal takes though