(10-04-2019, 01:05 AM)KABD Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nfl/news...skjuijp5j0
Quote:"You have to trade him," said a high-ranking official from another club. "It will get worse and there will be something new with him every week. He doesn't see a future there (in Jacksonville), and he's already shown he's willing to rock the boat to get out. At some point it becomes more trouble than it's worth."
Anyone still in denial?
Denial about what? That he wants traded? No one is denying that. I think they'll trade him in the offseason personally but they key is that it's not up to him if he's traded or not.
(10-04-2019, 02:53 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2019, 01:58 AM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah let's just pretend Tom had nothing to do with his decision, which he specifically cited as one of the deciding factors choosing us over Denver. The money wasn't crazy off either. The average per year for Denver was 12, ours was 15 and the difference over the 2 year deal Denver offered was about $4 million(12/14 and 15/15) and $6-7 million over 3 years. Yes thats a good amount, but not so much it wasn't in consideration, it most certainly was.
And yes, maybe Campbell could have put the game away... but he also didn't shove his coach, baby rage, and then ask for a trade when he gets chewed out after a game by the 2x super bowl coach turned VP. Not sure where you are coming from here, Ramsey is the topic here right? I am specifically speaking in terms of his impact on the game, and being upset we weren't winning games.
More on Calais:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-free-agenc...cksonville
“I’ve been a fan of Tom Coughlin’s since I’ve been in the NFL and having to compete against his teams,” Campbell said. “I really like the way his mindset is and the way he prepares his guys, so I wanted to be a part of that.”
Money was the total selling point... Of course he isn't going to say it, but it's obvious it was... He was literally minutes away from signing with Denver until this team up'd their offer... Which he took because obviously money talks and it was exactly what he was looking for.
Ramsey didn't shove Marrone, he barely touched him. Just stop with that stupid [BLEEP].
Coughlin's team might have won those super bowls 10 years ago as a HC... He isn't a HC here, or any kind of coach. He might have been a decent HC in his day, but hes only proven to be dog [BLEEP] as somebody who's running a team. Further more, who gives a flying [BLEEP] about what somebody else did with another franchise.. I don't care if somebody won 35 super bowls with another franchise. Until they bring at least 1 super bowl here, it doesn't mean much in my eyes. As I'm a fan of the Jags, not the Giants.
And again, Coughlin isn't a coach here. He's a front office head... A front office head needs to stay in his lane and do his job... His job isn't to come into the locker room and disrespect a player in front of his peers. It's a bad look all the way around, period. All he's doing is undermining that actual Head Coach of this team by doing that. Which again, sets a terrible example for everybody..
The fact of the matter here is, this Defense has been top 5 in passing Defense since Ramsey was drafted. It was in the high 20's before that. That's facts. We got a quick sample of life without Ramsey this past week against a bad Offense and a terrible QB. What happened? His replacement made a terrible QB look like Tom Brady...
Give me the 24 year old who actually makes a difference on game day and makes this team better, over the 74 year old who's only causing problems.
Coughlin ran off Allen Robinson. He made Telvin Smith want to quit playing football. He's refusing to pay the best young pass rusher this Franchise has ever had. And now he's trying to get rid of our best player, who's just now entering the prime of his career... And this is all in not even 3 years of him being here... And that just starts the fun... We don't have to get into all the other blunders hes had in that short amount of time.. Giving Norwell all that money, paying Blake, paying Foles, etc etc etc.
Did an insider confirm that TC make Telvin Smith quit football or is that your opinion?
I could see Coughlin "resigning" after the season. Appreciate him as a coach and what he means to our franchise's history and his continued interest in the team but I think what is best now is to just ride off into the sunset. The Telvin Smith thing was weird and anything about it is speculative.
(10-02-2019, 09:41 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (10-02-2019, 09:35 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder what his angle is? Did you he volunteer to set a precedent for the other owners in exchange for more London games?
If not, I'd be happy to ship out Jalen for two first rounders. If one of those first rounders turned into an AJ Bouye-caliber corner who doesn't pout and undermine his head coach, coupled with another first round talent, it's a solid win. That's in addition to all the cap savings of not having to extend him.
What is his angle? Probably not wanting to lose a young star like Ramsey who's by far your most marketable (Minshew catching up) asset and a top 3 player on the team.
I think the angle is that if he let's him go because he throws a temper tantrum and fakes an injury then what's to stop other big stars this team drafts from seeing that worked and doing the exact same thing?
(10-04-2019, 07:29 AM)JaguarJosh05 Wrote: [ -> ]I could see Coughlin "resigning" after the season. Appreciate him as a coach and what he means to our franchise's history and his continued interest in the team but I think what is best now is to just ride off into the sunset. The Telvin Smith thing was weird and anything about it is speculative.
No one knows what transpired between Coughlin and Ramsey, What we do know is that Khan Offered Ramsey top money if he stays with the Jaguars. Ramsey turns it down and still wants to be traded. He doesn’t want to be on this team and he’s going to wine until he gets off it. So stop blaming Coughlin and defending Ramsey who shows no respect for The players or team. I’ll take a Coughlin over Ramsey hands down. Everything points to Telvin Smith having personal problems and nothing with regard to Coughlin.
(10-04-2019, 07:37 AM)sfljaguarsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-02-2019, 09:41 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]What is his angle? Probably not wanting to lose a young star like Ramsey who's by far your most marketable (Minshew catching up) asset and a top 3 player on the team.
I think the angle is that if he let's him go because he throws a temper tantrum and fakes an injury then what's to stop other big stars this team drafts from seeing that worked and doing the exact same thing?
It's the 'new NFL' where contracts are only a suggestion.
Great...ain't it?
You're going to see this [BLEEP] happening more and more, league-wide.
The irony you ask? Sweet Jalen throws his baby tantrum and states " I just want to [BLEEP] win" the day after the no catching chump drops a sure pick six that was in his belly.
Why risk a $60-100 million payday, and play for a $3.6 million salary this season? It appears Jalen's back injury (or something else) will persist until some team, Jags or other through trade, pay him.
(10-04-2019, 07:37 AM)sfljaguarsfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-02-2019, 09:41 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]What is his angle? Probably not wanting to lose a young star like Ramsey who's by far your most marketable (Minshew catching up) asset and a top 3 player on the team.
I think the angle is that if he let's him go because he throws a temper tantrum and fakes an injury then what's to stop other big stars this team drafts from seeing that worked and doing the exact same thing?
You could argue that too.
There are a million and one reasons why Khan should do whatever it takes to avoid dealing Jalen.
(10-04-2019, 08:37 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2019, 07:37 AM)sfljaguarsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I think the angle is that if he let's him go because he throws a temper tantrum and fakes an injury then what's to stop other big stars this team drafts from seeing that worked and doing the exact same thing?
It's the 'new NFL' where contracts are only a suggestion.
Great...ain't it?
You're going to see this [BLEEP] happening more and more, league-wide.
I mean stars have wanted away from teams while under contract forever. Teams have traded away /cut players with years left on their deal forever too.
Not really a new NFL. The new part is mostly just players being more empowered to look after themselves
(10-04-2019, 08:21 AM)dennisp3 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2019, 07:29 AM)JaguarJosh05 Wrote: [ -> ]I could see Coughlin "resigning" after the season. Appreciate him as a coach and what he means to our franchise's history and his continued interest in the team but I think what is best now is to just ride off into the sunset. The Telvin Smith thing was weird and anything about it is speculative.
No one knows what transpired between Coughlin and Ramsey, What we do know is that Khan Offered Ramsey top money if he stays with the Jaguars. Ramsey turns it down and still wants to be traded. He doesn’t want to be on this team and he’s going to wine until he gets off it. So stop blaming Coughlin and defending Ramsey who shows no respect for The players or team. I’ll take a Coughlin over Ramsey hands down. Everything points to Telvin Smith having personal problems and nothing with regard to Coughlin.
No, we do not know that Khan offered Ramsey top money. Khan said he would like to make Ramsey the top paid corner in the league "as soon as possible," but that doesn't mean he actually made him an offer, or that Ramsey turned it down.
Everyone seems to want to take a side in this thing, but maybe, both sides are wrong. And maybe, both sides are right. Who knows? I just want everyone to come to an understanding and agreement, and
we go forward with both Ramsey and TC. That is the best scenario.
(10-04-2019, 09:17 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2019, 08:21 AM)dennisp3 Wrote: [ -> ]No one knows what transpired between Coughlin and Ramsey, What we do know is that Khan Offered Ramsey top money if he stays with the Jaguars. Ramsey turns it down and still wants to be traded. He doesn’t want to be on this team and he’s going to wine until he gets off it. So stop blaming Coughlin and defending Ramsey who shows no respect for The players or team. I’ll take a Coughlin over Ramsey hands down. Everything points to Telvin Smith having personal problems and nothing with regard to Coughlin.
No, we do not know that Khan offered Ramsey top money. Khan said he would like to make Ramsey the top paid corner in the league "as soon as possible," but that doesn't mean he actually made him an offer, or that Ramsey turned it down.
Everyone seems to want to take a side in this thing, but maybe, both sides are wrong. And maybe, both sides are right. Who knows? I just want everyone to come to an understanding and agreement, and we go forward with both Ramsey and TC. That is the best scenario.
What Jalen Ramsey did during the playing year is never right. Business takes place in the offseason and behind closed doors.
All this talk about Jalen Ramsey getting disrespected makes me think that I am getting disrespected.
Jalen Ramsey has put the pin into the Jacksonville Jaguars balloon.
(10-04-2019, 09:04 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2019, 07:37 AM)sfljaguarsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I think the angle is that if he let's him go because he throws a temper tantrum and fakes an injury then what's to stop other big stars this team drafts from seeing that worked and doing the exact same thing?
You could argue that too.
There are a million and one reasons why Khan should do whatever it takes to avoid dealing Jalen.
(10-04-2019, 08:37 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]It's the 'new NFL' where contracts are only a suggestion.
Great...ain't it?
You're going to see this [BLEEP] happening more and more, league-wide.
I mean stars have wanted away from teams while under contract forever. Teams have traded away /cut players with years left on their deal forever too.
Not really a new NFL. The new part is mostly just players being more empowered to look after themselves
Bull [BLEEP].
'empowered' = not honoring contracts = 'New NFL'
Twist it however you want. This bull [BLEEP] is going to start happening more and more. Tell me that happened before.
At some point Ramsey and this front office need to put this behind them. Whether it means he remains a Jaguar or is shipped away obviously remains to be seen.
I know we're all divided on here as well on how this should all be treated. Make him play, tag him twice, force him to sit like LeVeon Bell, etc. Trade him away for a respectable amount of value. I fall in that camp. I would rather see them get something out of him. Especially now with Minshew looking to be "the guy". Get him some offensive firepower or tough lineman in front of him.
At the end of the day. His entitled approach and ego will reflect more negatively in the long run when people look back at his career. This team is having fun right now without him. They're winning games. Getting better on offense finally and he'll be remembered as the team's best player at that time deciding to dig his diva heels in the ground and not contribute to his teammates who have NOTHING to do with his situation here in Jacksonville.
At any rate. Here's to hoping Herndon improves.
(10-04-2019, 09:39 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2019, 09:04 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]You could argue that too.
There are a million and one reasons why Khan should do whatever it takes to avoid dealing Jalen.
I mean stars have wanted away from teams while under contract forever. Teams have traded away /cut players with years left on their deal forever too.
Not really a new NFL. The new part is mostly just players being more empowered to look after themselves
Bull [BLEEP].
'empowered' = not honoring contracts = 'New NFL'
Twist it however you want. This bull [BLEEP] is going to start happening more and more. Tell me that happened before.
Just look through the history of holdouts and players trying to get traded. It's not new.
And NFL teams disregard contracts all the time if they can save money or move a player they don't want regardless of what the player wants.
(10-04-2019, 09:45 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]At some point Ramsey and this front office need to put this behind them. Whether it means he remains a Jaguar or is shipped away obviously remains to be seen.
I know we're all divided on here as well on how this should all be treated. Make him play, tag him twice, force him to sit like LeVeon Bell, etc. Trade him away for a respectable amount of value. I fall in that camp. I would rather see them get something out of him. Especially now with Minshew looking to be "the guy". Get him some offensive firepower or tough lineman in front of him.
At the end of the day. His entitled approach and ego will reflect more negatively in the long run when people look back at his career. This team is having fun right now without him. They're winning games. Getting better on offense finally and he'll be remembered as the team's best player at that time deciding to dig his diva heels in the ground and not contribute to his teammates who have NOTHING to do with his situation here in Jacksonville.
At any rate. Here's to hoping Herndon improves.
If we trade him for draft picks, we are worse off this year and maybe better/maybe worse next year. If we have a shot at the playoffs this year, we're better off keeping him if we can get him on the field. I don't want to try to make the playoffs with Herndon playing CB. That's taking our strongest position and turning it into our weakest position. We are better off with Ramsey. So I hope this injury is legitimate, and he recovers, and goes back on the field. And from there, I hope he and TC make up and we can make Ramsey happy and he stays here. I think that's what Shad Khan is trying to accomplish, and I wouldn't be surprised if they are talking contract right now.
(10-04-2019, 09:45 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2019, 09:39 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]Bull [BLEEP].
'empowered' = not honoring contracts = 'New NFL'
Twist it however you want. This bull [BLEEP] is going to start happening more and more. Tell me that happened before.
Just look through the history of holdouts and players trying to get traded. It's not new.
And NFL teams disregard contracts all the time if they can save money or move a player they don't want regardless of what the player wants.
This is such a crap argument. Players don't know this when they sign the contracts? I'm sure it's part of the contract language anyway.
(10-04-2019, 10:00 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2019, 09:45 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Just look through the history of holdouts and players trying to get traded. It's not new.
And NFL teams disregard contracts all the time if they can save money or move a player they don't want regardless of what the player wants.
This is such a crap argument. Players don't know this when they sign the contracts? I'm sure it's part of the contract language anyway.
That's the point I'm making. Contracts in the NFL have plenty of scope for being disregarded based on circumstance. If a players in the last year of his deal and is a big name player it's extremely common practice to withhold some level of service to put some pressure on the team.
It's not new to try utilize whatever leverage you have to try get to a new team or contract, even if already on a deal.
What is new is players viewing themselves more as a partner Vs just an asset. Such as the Jags using up their usefulness to Jalens goals
(10-04-2019, 10:00 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2019, 09:45 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Just look through the history of holdouts and players trying to get traded. It's not new.
And NFL teams disregard contracts all the time if they can save money or move a player they don't want regardless of what the player wants.
This is such a crap argument. Players don't know this when they sign the contracts? I'm sure it's part of the contract language anyway.
I couldn't agree more, Mr. Cabesa. The CBA governs everything players/agents/teams do and all parties agree to everything in there.
The Real Marty- yes, imagine getting to the playoffs, then watching Brady/Belichick attack Herndon relentlessly. At that point you just say thanks, Jalen.
(10-04-2019, 10:22 AM)PF* Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2019, 10:00 AM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]This is such a crap argument. Players don't know this when they sign the contracts? I'm sure it's part of the contract language anyway.
I couldn't agree more, Mr. Cabesa. The CBA governs everything players/agents/teams do and all parties agree to everything in there.
The Real Marty- yes, imagine getting to the playoffs, then watching Brady/Belichick attack Herndon relentlessly. At that point you just say thanks, Jalen.
I'm not saying players and agents don't know or agree to the contracts.
Just that contracts aren't followed to the full extent of what their years say, for both parties.