(10-04-2019, 04:49 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2019, 04:46 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]legalize it!!
Especially for the lineman. It can't be easy trying to stay big year round for football. I had to do a double take on Monday night when they had Joe Thomas on the panel. He's slim as hell. Same for Boselli when he started dropping his weight. It can't be all that BAD for you. Look at Michael Phelps. Try eating 10,000 calories a day sober. I dare you!
You've never taken a cruise. You'll see people doing 10,000 calories by Noon.
On-topic: I agree.
(10-04-2019, 10:12 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]Smart that no one took responsibility. Basically impossible to convict anyone, someone gave them good advice.
(10-04-2019, 11:05 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2019, 10:12 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]Smart that no one took responsibility. Basically impossible to convict anyone, someone gave them good advice.
Not impossible but not likely.
More than one person can be in possession of the same stuff.
This is dumb. Dumb that it’s still illegal and dumb that he put himself in that possession. He knows better than be in that car. I don’t think he’s going to miss any games from this so I’m not stressing it.
There are two types of possesion-Actual and constructive.
Actual possession would be those instances where the prohibited item/substance is on the person of the individual. For instance, if the officer patted him down and found weed in his pocket, that would be actual possession.
Constructive possession, on the other hand, is where the person does not have the prohibited item/substance on his person, but he has the ability to bring it within his control-like in this case.
Now there are different nuances in these cases, but simply not "fessing up" to it, in itself, is not enough to escape a possession charge or a conviction for that charge.
Lots of people have been arrested on constructive possession charges, which is why it is most important to watch the company you keep. Even if you don't indulge in any illicit activities yourself, your "friends" can easily get you in trouble by being in proximity to them. Plenty of college spring breakers get in trouble for stuff like this. Example: officer on his way to investigating a noise complaint at a hotel passes an open hotel door, looks in an within plain view he sees drugs on the table and three people in the room.
It wouldn't surprise me if the marijuana were his. I've read a significant number of NFL players smoke marijuana and have done so for a long time. I know former Cowboys Pro Bowl C Mark Stepnoski was a huge marijuana advocate, as if former Jaguars T Eugene Monroe. Percy Harvin just said he got high before every game.
Reasonable people can disagree about how harmless/harmful marijuana use is. I do NOT indulge and have never had interest in indulging. But until it's legalized people need to use caution regarding their activities.
(10-04-2019, 04:37 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]The laws for possession of marijuana have dropped favorably for the user / carrier in Jacksonville. All he had to do was literally carry no more than 16 ounces and he would have been given a small ticket. At any rate. I wish this Country would get off it's [BLEEP] high horse already and stop babying a plant. More than 10 states have legalized the [BLEEP] for recreational use already.
A joint is no worse than a beer.
16 ounces can't be remotely right. Unless he's a pro connoisseur ; ). I'd assume you mean 16 grams. Ludicrous either way, on many levels. It is Jacksonville.
Doesn't the NFL still suspend players for use? I assume he's been tested or if not will be tested pretty quickly after this.
(10-04-2019, 04:35 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]
Do these guys not think? Leave your extracurricular activities at home.
Dude, it’s just weed. Every player/ human being should be able to smoke.. don’t understand why we hold them to a different standard. They’re people
I don’t blame anyone for smoking bud, especially not an NfL player. Think about a hard day at work for us normal people.. now imagine your body taking the equivalent of a car crash 50-60 times per game. Let players use marijuana.
(10-05-2019, 12:06 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]The day they make this legal to use in professional sports one team will send a bag of excellent stank to the other locker room about an hour before kickoff. At least the smart ones will. Just imagine:
A kick returner stands staring at the cooool giant scoreboard as the kicked ball caroms off his helmet...
Lol, I think in the right context it can be a great supplement to use before a game. Certain strains can enhance vision, hearing, etc.
I bet one of the three passengers in the car was Percy Harvin.
Having gone to a small, Methodist college in the Blue Ridge mountains there wasnt much to do. Franklin County, VA had the highest number of VA State Troopers per square mile in the state due to teh moonshiners. Lots of weed, too. Chilling listening to Frampton Comes Alive, Charlie Daniels, Kansas, Aerosmith, etc. Saw some drunks kill themselves in a car. None with pot; just my experience. Having a little bud shouldnt be an issue. Should be legalized.
Best description of moonshine: Drinking broken glass thats on fire. Count the bubbles....
I know, I know Im way off subject.
(10-05-2019, 07:51 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2019, 10:12 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]Smart that no one took responsibility. Basically impossible to convict anyone, someone gave them good advice.
(10-04-2019, 11:05 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: [ -> ]Not impossible but not likely.
More than one person can be in possession of the same stuff.
This is dumb. Dumb that it’s still illegal and dumb that he put himself in that possession. He knows better than be in that car. I don’t think he’s going to miss any games from this so I’m not stressing it.
There are two types of possesion-Actual and constructive.
Actual possession would be those instances where the prohibited item/substance is on the person of the individual. For instance, if the officer patted him down and found weed in his pocket, that would be actual possession.
Constructive possession, on the other hand, is where the person does not have the prohibited item/substance on his person, but he has the ability to bring it within his control-like in this case.
Now there are different nuances in these cases, but simply not "fessing up" to it, in itself, is not enough to escape a possession charge or a conviction for that charge.
Lots of people have been arrested on constructive possession charges, which is why it is most important to watch the company you keep. Even if you don't indulge in any illicit activities yourself, your "friends" can easily get you in trouble by being in proximity to them. Plenty of college spring breakers get in trouble for stuff like this. Example: officer on his way to investigating a noise complaint at a hotel passes an open hotel door, looks in an within plain view he sees drugs on the table and three people in the room.
It wouldn't surprise me if the marijuana were his. I've read a significant number of NFL players smoke marijuana and have done so for a long time. I know former Cowboys Pro Bowl C Mark Stepnoski was a huge marijuana advocate, as if former Jaguars T Eugene Monroe. Percy Harvin just said he got high before every game.
Reasonable people can disagree about how harmless/harmful marijuana use is. I do NOT indulge and have never had interest in indulging. But until it's legalized people need to use caution regarding their activities.
Thanks for the information. Agree that MD is making a poor choice to travel with it and speed. Or if it was one of his buddies, he needs better friends. However, having made all of those choices, it was a good choice for no one to take ownership. If they had I believe they could be charged with the first category you described.
MD probably won’t miss time for this, but he will definitely hit FA next year. He seems to attract bad stories.
(10-05-2019, 11:08 AM)Talented Kalamari Wrote: [ -> ]Dude, it’s just weed. Every player/ human being should be able to smoke.. don’t understand why we hold them to a different standard. They’re people
I don’t blame anyone for smoking bud, especially not an NfL player. Think about a hard day at work for us normal people.. now imagine your body taking the equivalent of a car crash 50-60 times per game. Let players use marijuana.
In my opinion this is a clear case of poor judgement/decision making.
Regarding the first part in bold, the terms of his employment say that certain substances can not be used. We use the same standard in many occupations including the military, police, and firefighters as well as many others.
Regarding the second part in bold. Coach Marrone gave them Monday and Tuesday off following the game this past Sunday. Maybe I'm just old, but is it really a good idea to be out at 2:00 AM when you have to work that day? Perhaps rest and rehab would be better.
I don't care or judge people for choosing to use whatever they want to use for "recreation", but for somebody in an occupation that you described ("your body taking the equivalent of a car crash 50-60 times a game") not getting enough sleep/rest is not a good idea.
(10-05-2019, 09:17 AM)BritJag Wrote: [ -> ] (10-04-2019, 04:37 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]The laws for possession of marijuana have dropped favorably for the user / carrier in Jacksonville. All he had to do was literally carry no more than 16 ounces and he would have been given a small ticket. At any rate. I wish this Country would get off it's [BLEEP] high horse already and stop babying a plant. More than 10 states have legalized the [BLEEP] for recreational use already.
A joint is no worse than a beer.
16 ounces can't be remotely right. Unless he's a pro connoisseur ; ). I'd assume you mean 16 grams. Ludicrous either way, on many levels. It is Jacksonville.
for an nfl player that's on the small side. 16 ounces... That's only a pound, like that's not even a Brick lmao; if you buy wholesale (it's cheaper the more you buy in bulk).
(10-05-2019, 04:48 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2019, 11:08 AM)Talented Kalamari Wrote: [ -> ]Dude, it’s just weed. Every player/ human being should be able to smoke.. don’t understand why we hold them to a different standard. They’re people
I don’t blame anyone for smoking bud, especially not an NfL player. Think about a hard day at work for us normal people.. now imagine your body taking the equivalent of a car crash 50-60 times per game. Let players use marijuana.
In my opinion this is a clear case of poor judgement/decision making.
Regarding the first part in bold, the terms of his employment say that certain substances can not be used. We use the same standard in many occupations including the military, police, and firefighters as well as many others.
Regarding the second part in bold. Coach Marrone gave them Monday and Tuesday off following the game this past Sunday. Maybe I'm just old, but is it really a good idea to be out at 2:00 AM when you have to work that day? Perhaps rest and rehab would be better.
I don't care or judge people for choosing to use whatever they want to use for "recreation", but for somebody in an occupation that you described ("your body taking the equivalent of a car crash 50-60 times a game") not getting enough sleep/rest is not a good idea.
I am of a dual mind on this.
On the one hand, I guess the traditionalist in me comes down on your side when it comes to the "poor judgment" angle. As it stands, possession of marijuana is still illegal in most states, and is still prohibited by the NFL's Substance abuse policy. Accordingly, Dareus ran afoul of the law, and may yet face a suspension by the league. (I say "may yet" because he has run afoul of the policy twice and had a four game suspension back in Buffalo. I have heard there may be a "time" component to the policy where if a certain amount of time elapses then perhaps the stage of the program decreases such that he may not face as harsh a discipline, but I am too lazy at the moment to research it). Whether through the substance abuse policy or the personal conduct policy, he risks losing millions in salary and hurting his team.
On the other hand, I have also heard of myriad medicinal benefits to marijuana use over the years. Since I really have no dog in the fight, I haven't done any serious research. But in the articles I have read, there is evidence showing its effectiveness in treating everything from anxiety and depression to cancer related issues. Conservative estimates show 60 percent of NFL players use it, and as I have indicated, numerous NFL players openly advocate legalizing it. I have other views on this that are more appropriate in another forum, so I will not elaborate here.
(10-05-2019, 06:55 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2019, 04:48 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]In my opinion this is a clear case of poor judgement/decision making.
Regarding the first part in bold, the terms of his employment say that certain substances can not be used. We use the same standard in many occupations including the military, police, and firefighters as well as many others.
Regarding the second part in bold. Coach Marrone gave them Monday and Tuesday off following the game this past Sunday. Maybe I'm just old, but is it really a good idea to be out at 2:00 AM when you have to work that day? Perhaps rest and rehab would be better.
I don't care or judge people for choosing to use whatever they want to use for "recreation", but for somebody in an occupation that you described ("your body taking the equivalent of a car crash 50-60 times a game") not getting enough sleep/rest is not a good idea.
I am of a dual mind on this.
On the one hand, I guess the traditionalist in me comes down on your side when it comes to the "poor judgment" angle. As it stands, possession of marijuana is still illegal in most states, and is still prohibited by the NFL's Substance abuse policy. Accordingly, Dareus ran afoul of the law, and may yet face a suspension by the league. (I say "may yet" because he has run afoul of the policy twice and had a four game suspension back in Buffalo. I have heard there may be a "time" component to the policy where if a certain amount of time elapses then perhaps the stage of the program decreases such that he may not face as harsh a discipline, but I am too lazy at the moment to research it). Whether through the substance abuse policy or the personal conduct policy, he risks losing millions in salary and hurting his team.
On the other hand, I have also heard of myriad medicinal benefits to marijuana use over the years. Since I really have no dog in the fight, I haven't done any serious research. But in the articles I have read, there is evidence showing its effectiveness in treating everything from anxiety and depression to cancer related issues. Conservative estimates show 60 percent of NFL players use it, and as I have indicated, numerous NFL players openly advocate legalizing it. I have other views on this that are more appropriate in another forum, so I will not elaborate here.
I certainly respect your opinion (as always). My biggest takeaway from this "situation" is not so much having the marijuana and/or his use/non-use of it. It's more the fact that he was out at 2:00 AM on a work day. I'm thinking that even though he is a veteran player he still should be taking care of his body which includes proper amount of sleep. Had this happened Monday night/Tuesday morning it wouldn't (in my opinion) be so bad.
As far as the substance involved, I'm not going to judge on that. I personally don't use marijuana, but I do partake in beer and a little bourbon every now and then. Again, I do that on the weekend and on MY time, not the night/early morning hours when I'm supposed to report to work.
Going out before workdays doesn't really matter as long as you do your job.
That said i think if I was making as much money as Dareus was I'd just get driven around the place
(10-05-2019, 07:46 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2019, 06:55 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I am of a dual mind on this.
On the one hand, I guess the traditionalist in me comes down on your side when it comes to the "poor judgment" angle. As it stands, possession of marijuana is still illegal in most states, and is still prohibited by the NFL's Substance abuse policy. Accordingly, Dareus ran afoul of the law, and may yet face a suspension by the league. (I say "may yet" because he has run afoul of the policy twice and had a four game suspension back in Buffalo. I have heard there may be a "time" component to the policy where if a certain amount of time elapses then perhaps the stage of the program decreases such that he may not face as harsh a discipline, but I am too lazy at the moment to research it). Whether through the substance abuse policy or the personal conduct policy, he risks losing millions in salary and hurting his team.
On the other hand, I have also heard of myriad medicinal benefits to marijuana use over the years. Since I really have no dog in the fight, I haven't done any serious research. But in the articles I have read, there is evidence showing its effectiveness in treating everything from anxiety and depression to cancer related issues. Conservative estimates show 60 percent of NFL players use it, and as I have indicated, numerous NFL players openly advocate legalizing it. I have other views on this that are more appropriate in another forum, so I will not elaborate here.
I certainly respect your opinion (as always). My biggest takeaway from this "situation" is not so much having the marijuana and/or his use/non-use of it. It's more the fact that he was out at 2:00 AM on a work day. I'm thinking that even though he is a veteran player he still should be taking care of his body which includes proper amount of sleep. Had this happened Monday night/Tuesday morning it wouldn't (in my opinion) be so bad.
As far as the substance involved, I'm not going to judge on that. I personally don't use marijuana, but I do partake in beer and a little bourbon every now and then. Again, I do that on the weekend and on MY time, not the night/early morning hours when I'm supposed to report to work.
As someone who suffers from occasional insomnia, I can understand being awake at that time, even on a work day, though in those situations I never go out. I usually end up watching news, being on line, or reading, and have never really been one for the club or party scene. As for drug/alcohol use, I do not indulge at all, but am nowhere near as extreme about it as I once was. There was a time where I was a prohibitionist LOL. Now, I am content exercising temperance on my own. I guess I have mellowed in middle age.
But being on the outside looking in, and admittedly not knowing all of the details, I can see where Dareus' substance use, whether on the abuse or dependence levels, may have contributed to many of his off field issues. I only hope he and the other players will be judicious in their use of these substances, should they so indulge. As a Jaguars fan, I don't want to see any of our players in any trouble-personal, legal or professional.
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