(10-24-2019, 10:25 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2019, 10:19 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]If they go back to Foles after the Bye week and bench Minshew, they simply can't go back to Minshew for the rest of this season, unless Foles gets injured again.
You have to give Foles the rest of the season to either hang himself or not, so we can move on from him sooner, rather than later.
I still don't think they should move on from Minshew regardless though, even if Foles is healthy. Foles is what he is and that's average at best. What don't know what Minshew is, or what he could become. I'd rather not wait another 2 years to try and find out either.
Continue to play him. Let him take his lumps and learn. We need to know if he's going to be the guy going forward, for the long term. Foles was nothing more than a stop gap to begin with.
This.
Minshew cannot develop from the sidelines. He has broken all kinds of records and it’s possible he could be the franchise qb we have been looking for. Foles was a means to an end...that end was finding a franchise QB. Foles had his chance to be a franchise QB and it didn’t work out.
Give the kid a shot. You’re gonna have to give a kid a shot eventually anyway!
Pretending to know how Foles will perform in this offense is speculation not based in reality. I need to see it to know it personally.
To the second bolded, yes, Minshew absolutely CAN develop from the sidelines. It's a tried and true method for young QB development. The kid has created some bad habits over the past two weeks and if those continue then the sideline may be the best place for him to sort it out.
Regardless - Minshew's play vs the jets and tinhorns gives him a chance to keep the reins. If he plays like he has the past two weeks, I think he probably returns to the bench and his backup role in week 11. I think it's great that we have the luxury of another good QB to put out there while the rookie refocuses his game - if that's how it plays out.
(10-24-2019, 08:07 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Do we have any examples where a QB was benched after starting and came back dramatically improved?
Steve Young?
@did you see Tannehill's numbers last week@
Nick Foles.
(10-24-2019, 10:25 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2019, 10:19 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]If they go back to Foles after the Bye week and bench Minshew, they simply can't go back to Minshew for the rest of this season, unless Foles gets injured again.
You have to give Foles the rest of the season to either hang himself or not, so we can move on from him sooner, rather than later.
I still don't think they should move on from Minshew regardless though, even if Foles is healthy. Foles is what he is and that's average at best. What don't know what Minshew is, or what he could become. I'd rather not wait another 2 years to try and find out either.
Continue to play him. Let him take his lumps and learn. We need to know if he's going to be the guy going forward, for the long term. Foles was nothing more than a stop gap to begin with.
This.
Minshew cannot develop from the sidelines. He has broken all kinds of records and it’s possible he could be the franchise qb we have been looking for. Foles was a means to an end...that end was finding a franchise QB. Foles had his chance to be a franchise QB and it didn’t work out.
Give the kid a shot. You’re gonna have to give a kid a shot eventually anyway!
Minshew can learn a lot from the sidelines watching an experienced veteran actually.
He can then sit with Foles and discuss what he saw and why he did what he did while the D is on the field.
Usually... there's nothing like live action but to act like Minshew is already better than Foles at seeing the field and decision making is silly.
Either way... the people in charge are gonna make the decision regardless of what we all think. Hopefully they make the right one.
Remember... Doug and co need to win now (That could be starting Foles, if Minshew is just managing games), not plan for the future (developing Minshew)
(10-25-2019, 09:37 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2019, 08:07 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Do we have any examples where a QB was benched after starting and came back dramatically improved?
Steve Young?
@did you see Tannehill's numbers last week@
Nick Foles.
Alex Smith, though to be fair, his benching was due to injury and a QB that had his flash in a pan moment.
Though I'd argue he played better than ever in KC and was off to a really good start as Washington's guy
(10-25-2019, 09:37 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2019, 08:07 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Do we have any examples where a QB was benched after starting and came back dramatically improved?
Steve Young?
@did you see Tannehill's numbers last week@
Nick Foles.
They joined different teams. So if anything you are backing that point up.
(10-26-2019, 09:17 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2019, 09:37 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Steve Young?
@did you see Tannehill's numbers last week@
Nick Foles.
They joined different teams. So if anything you are backing that point up.
OK. How about John Elway?
Minshew needs to really sit and learn!
Minshew is the starter long term in my opinion. If they go back to Foles then you have to trade Minshew.
Stick with Minshew, who is 1 inch away from 5-3 record. He’s already shown he’s the man.
Trade Foles and get whatever you can. Go find a bonafide FS and get Smith back hopefully next year. And go to the playoffs the next 7 out of 10 years.
Minshew's best game?
I was pretty impressed today.
I think his best game was KC when he started 13 of 13. But today could be his best too.
(10-23-2019, 01:57 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]This is a weird [BLEEP] situation for this team to be in. My guess would be that they would more than likely wait until after the bye week before making a switch. And it will take two horrible games from Minshew IMHO for them to consider putting Foles back into the line-up. Hoping the kid kills the Jets and tinhorns going into the bye week though.
Need to see him take over a game where he's just connecting on everything and scoring inside the red zone with ease. Maybe a 3+ TD day with 250+ this week and then in London he goes off for 4+ and 300+. I can dream damn it!
Keep it up. Your dreams have come true so far.
The only reason Foles should see the field again for this team is if Minshew gets injured.
The dumbest thing this team could do is bench Minshew. He needs to play.
(10-25-2019, 09:06 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-24-2019, 10:25 PM)Corriewf Wrote: [ -> ]This.
Minshew cannot develop from the sidelines. He has broken all kinds of records and it’s possible he could be the franchise qb we have been looking for. Foles was a means to an end...that end was finding a franchise QB. Foles had his chance to be a franchise QB and it didn’t work out.
Give the kid a shot. You’re gonna have to give a kid a shot eventually anyway!
Pretending to know how Foles will perform in this offense is speculation not based in reality. I need to see it to know it personally.
To the second bolded, yes, Minshew absolutely CAN develop from the sidelines. It's a tried and true method for young QB development. The kid has created some bad habits over the past two weeks and if those continue then the sideline may be the best place for him to sort it out.
Regardless - Minshew's play vs the jets and tinhorns gives him a chance to keep the reins. If he plays like he has the past two weeks, I think he probably returns to the bench and his backup role in week 11. I think it's great that we have the luxury of another good QB to put out there while the rookie refocuses his game - if that's how it plays out.
One down, one to go for Minshew to keep the job.
Rooting for him.
(10-26-2019, 09:17 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ] (10-25-2019, 09:37 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Steve Young?
@did you see Tannehill's numbers last week@
Nick Foles.
They joined different teams. So if anything you are backing that point up.
Were they starting on the previous team?
Are you saying they were not fit to start at either team?
wasn't the point that they sat behind someone else, and when they got to start again, showed marked improvement?
(10-27-2019, 04:42 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Minshew is the starter long term in my opinion. If they go back to Foles then you have to trade Minshew.
Stick with Minshew, who is 1 inch away from 5-3 record. He’s already shown he’s the man.
Trade Foles and get whatever you can. Go find a bonafide FS and get Smith back hopefully next year. And go to the playoffs the next 7 out of 10 years.
Why trade Foles? If you are not cap-strapped, I would rather have two capable guys at QB in case the unthinkable happens. You can still address the long-term backup by drafting a new 3rd QB, and when he is ready to be the backup (or heck if someone outplays Minshew let them start instead) only then do we worry about moving on from Foles.
Have we forgotten week 1 already?
(10-28-2019, 10:28 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2019, 04:42 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Minshew is the starter long term in my opinion. If they go back to Foles then you have to trade Minshew.
Stick with Minshew, who is 1 inch away from 5-3 record. He’s already shown he’s the man.
Trade Foles and get whatever you can. Go find a bonafide FS and get Smith back hopefully next year. And go to the playoffs the next 7 out of 10 years.
Why trade Foles? If you are not cap-strapped, I would rather have two capable guys at QB in case the unthinkable happens. You can still address the long-term backup by drafting a new 3rd QB, and when he is ready to be the backup (or heck if someone outplays Minshew let them start instead) only then do we worry about moving on from Foles.
Have we forgotten week 1 already?
This. Why does it matter if the starter is making half a mil and the back up is making 18-20 mil? Ride or die with Minshew until he becomes the REASON the team starts losing. Right now, he ISN'T.
(10-28-2019, 10:28 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (10-27-2019, 04:42 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Minshew is the starter long term in my opinion. If they go back to Foles then you have to trade Minshew.
Stick with Minshew, who is 1 inch away from 5-3 record. He’s already shown he’s the man.
Trade Foles and get whatever you can. Go find a bonafide FS and get Smith back hopefully next year. And go to the playoffs the next 7 out of 10 years.
Why trade Foles? If you are not cap-strapped, I would rather have two capable guys at QB in case the unthinkable happens. You can still address the long-term backup by drafting a new 3rd QB, and when he is ready to be the backup (or heck if someone outplays Minshew let them start instead) only then do we worry about moving on from Foles.
Have we forgotten week 1 already?
Heck no on trading Foles. The guy proved he can come off the bench and perform on the biggest of stages. Good thing right now is they get to keep working with Minshew and finding better game plans. I believe he will keep improving and there is no harm if he continues from the bench or the field. He seems to have the right mindset for long term success either way. Honestly Foles seems like a stand up guy as well. This is a dream scenario for a front office.
So no one is curious on seeing what Nick Foles can do with a top ten 10 WR and one of the leagues most productive rusher?
Especially with an offense that was designed around him through an entire offseason.
Minshew has kept this team afloat with some great play, but I think Foles takes this offense a notch higher for THIS YEAR. 3rd down and Red Zone efficiency has to be improved greatly for this team to contend for the division or wild card.
It is an interesting predicament to be in. Minshew is the long term answer. But for this year, I think Foles can make a larger impact with his experience for that playoff push.
(10-28-2019, 11:00 AM)jagshype Wrote: [ -> ]So no one is curious on seeing what Nick Foles can do with a top ten 10 WR and one of the leagues most productive rusher?
Especially with an offense that was designed around him through an entire offseason.
Minshew has kept this team afloat with some great play, but I think Foles takes this offense a notch higher for THIS YEAR. 3rd down and Red Zone efficiency has to be improved greatly for this team to contend for the division or wild card.
It is an interesting predicament to be in. Minshew is the long term answer. But for this year, I think Foles can make a larger impact with his experience for that playoff push.
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I'm not interested in seeing a statue get destroyed.
(10-28-2019, 11:39 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not interested in seeing a statue get destroyed.
Foles is pretty good at navigating the pocket to buy enough time for the targeting route to develop.
Hes not good at escaping the pocket though