(10-30-2019, 12:20 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2019, 10:59 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]I typed up the last 3 offseasons since TC took control to help me remember the majority of the moves. I hear that the FO is garbage, but I am mostly happy with the moves that the current regime is making. That 2018 draft class is looking especially nice in hindsight. The 2018 FA/ pro personnel moves looks really bad in retrospect. I tend to think you either blow the whole thing up or let it all ride another year. Whatever happens I don’t want to see any one of Tom/ Dave / Doug cut with the rest carrying forward.
2017 FA of note:
Campbell, Bouye, Church, Branden Albert (trade), McCray
2017 Draft Early/ Noteworthy:
Fournette, Cam Robinson, Smoot, Westbrook, Cole (UFA),
Other/ Misc:
Lambo signed midseason, Bortles 5th year option, Telvin extended, Linder extended, trade for Dareus
2018 FA of note:
Austin Sefarian Jenkins, Andrew Norwell, DJ Hayden, Moncrief, Lee, let Allen Robinson and Colvin walk
2018 Draft Early/ Noteworthy:
Taven Bryan, DJ Chark, Ronnie Harrison, Will Richardson, Leon Jacobs, Logan Cooke, Tre Herndon (UFA)
Other/ Misc.
Fowler traded to Rams, Bortles extended, trade for Hyde, cut Church
2019 FA:
Foles, Swain, Conley, resign Cann, Ogbuehi, Alfred Blue, cut Bortles, cut Malik Jackson, cut Gipson, cut Parnell
2019 Draft Early/ Noteworthy:
The good Josh Allen, Taylor, Josh Oliver, Williams, Armstead, Minshew, Wingard (UFA)
Other/ Misc:
Ramsey trade/ brief circus
I would absolutely love to be able to find out the decision making process behind each move we've made since Coughlin has been here. Which ones are Dave's guys and which ones are Tom's guys... It's so hard to point fingers, or give credit, when you don't know exactly who to point them at!
For some vague reason I feel like Dave has been a lot more responsible for the good moves and Tom responsible for the bad ones over the last few years, but that could be utter gibberish.
Most of them probably aren't that simple. Consensus decisions rarely are.
(10-29-2019, 02:05 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ] (10-29-2019, 11:02 AM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: [ -> ]Simple really and i already said it. Draft a QB and i would've kept blake on the roster. We'd have saved the 88 and gardner could've still been here to replace him after we let him go. Plus we would have more money to sign the current talent, etc. I really don't want to get to deep into since im enjoying this Minshew Mania rn. Also, i know its not instant gratification and luckily some players have panned out to at least be decent. Not top tier talent, but enough to make a splash once in a blue. We would have a hell of a roster if we wouldn't fail so much in the 1st and 2nd rds, but i know there is some stat guys that'll say most teams only find 1 or 2 decent players every year or something like that.
I'm torn because.....
The very bad is not re-signing rising stars after finding them or having them fall to them via the draft and negating gaping holes when talent is there for the picking in early rounds. It's like for every dumb decision they make, luck slaps them in the face and they pick a decent player later on or find a diamond in the rough somehow.
Problem with that thinking is, if we had drafted a QB early instead of signing Foles, we absolutely would not have taken a QB late (Minshew) in the draft to be a backup. Minshew would not be here.
I was actually going by normal FO logic. We kept Blake and then picked up tanner lee late. I assumed keeping him we still would've picked up Minshew late. That is all based on them not wanting to make it seem like we were done with him fully like they had been trying to prove before. By all means tho, If they were thinking about one early this year i would've had pause as well. The better class is this coming year but who knows what will happen at any given year due to injuries to college prospects etc.
(10-30-2019, 01:20 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2019, 12:20 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]I would absolutely love to be able to find out the decision making process behind each move we've made since Coughlin has been here. Which ones are Dave's guys and which ones are Tom's guys... It's so hard to point fingers, or give credit, when you don't know exactly who to point them at!
For some vague reason I feel like Dave has been a lot more responsible for the good moves and Tom responsible for the bad ones over the last few years, but that could be utter gibberish.
Most of them probably aren't that simple. Consensus decisions rarely are.
I'm sure you're right, most of them you probably couldn't definitively say who's call it was... But I bet there are a few of them that one or the other really wanted and had to sell it to the other... possibly even a few that Coughlin called rank on and made the decision himself. The moves they didn't make would be just as fascinating as the moves they did make too.
(10-30-2019, 03:05 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2019, 01:20 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Most of them probably aren't that simple. Consensus decisions rarely are.
I'm sure you're right, most of them you probably couldn't definitively say who's call it was... But I bet there are a few of them that one or the other really wanted and had to sell it to the other... possibly even a few that Coughlin called rank on and made the decision himself. The moves they didn't make would be just as fascinating as the moves they did make too.
I think they are all joined and I have started thinking of them as such. It just makes everything much simpler from a fan point of view.
I would also be interested to know what deals have fallen through or not pursued (for better or worse). Unfortunately those details are hard to come by. Picking Adams instead of Fournette comes to mind. Or why they didn’t consider a QB in that class, or what their QB rankings were.