(10-28-2019, 01:56 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2019, 01:47 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]SO if they start Foles and win out...FIRE THE FO!!
I mean, that would be amazing but would love to know the reasoning. I feel like Minshew has earned the right to be the starter where Foles hasn't earned anything with this team.
If the Jags had Brees, I would be ok with going but to him but it's Nick Foles.
Many. many coaches would go to the starter. The team paid Foles to be their starter.
(and I would like to note that I have
never been on the Foles train)
I welcome this problem
Compared to years past when we would hang all our hopes on some .500 teams' former 3rd string QB that we picked up in waivers
(10-28-2019, 02:01 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2019, 01:56 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I mean, that would be amazing but would love to know the reasoning. I feel like Minshew has earned the right to be the starter where Foles hasn't earned anything with this team.
If the Jags had Brees, I would be ok with going but to him but it's Nick Foles.
Many. many coaches would go to the starter. The team paid Foles to be their starter.
(and I would like to note that I have never been on the Foles train)
Most Front Offices and Coaches prefer to go with the guy they drafted rather than the guy they paid for.
Just saying.
(10-28-2019, 02:01 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2019, 01:56 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I mean, that would be amazing but would love to know the reasoning. I feel like Minshew has earned the right to be the starter where Foles hasn't earned anything with this team.
If the Jags had Brees, I would be ok with going but to him but it's Nick Foles.
Many. many coaches would go to the starter. The team paid Foles to be their starter.
(and I would like to note that I have never been on the Foles train)
This should mean absolutely nothing. The Seahawks paid Matt Flynn to be the starter. The Cowboys paid Romo to be the starter.
If the team is playing well and the QB is a big reason why, you don't bench him unless it's for some HOF QB. I'll back Foles if he does become the starter again but it should be Minshew and it's really not even close. And if he plays really well and beats Houston? That makes Minshews case even stronger.
(10-28-2019, 02:06 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2019, 02:01 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]Many. many coaches would go to the starter. The team paid Foles to be their starter.
(and I would like to note that I have never been on the Foles train)
Most Front Offices and Coaches prefer to go with the guy they drafted rather than the guy they paid for.
Just saying.
If they were are first round pick maybe.
Just sayin'.
(10-28-2019, 02:06 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2019, 02:01 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ]Many. many coaches would go to the starter. The team paid Foles to be their starter.
(and I would like to note that I have never been on the Foles train)
This should mean absolutely nothing. The Seahawks paid Matt Flynn to be the starter. The Cowboys paid Romo to be the starter.
If the team is playing well and the QB is a big reason why, you don't bench him unless it's for some HOF QB. I'll back Foles if he does become the starter again but it should be Minshew and it's really not even close. And if he plays really well and beats Houston? That makes Minshews case even stronger.
We're 4-4. I don't think he's earned anything yet.
(10-28-2019, 02:18 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2019, 02:06 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Most Front Offices and Coaches prefer to go with the guy they drafted rather than the guy they paid for.
Just saying.
If they were are first round pick maybe.
Just sayin'.
(10-28-2019, 02:06 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]This should mean absolutely nothing. The Seahawks paid Matt Flynn to be the starter. The Cowboys paid Romo to be the starter.
If the team is playing well and the QB is a big reason why, you don't bench him unless it's for some HOF QB. I'll back Foles if he does become the starter again but it should be Minshew and it's really not even close. And if he plays really well and beats Houston? That makes Minshews case even stronger.
We're 4-4. I don't think he's earned anything yet.
And with this team, what has Foles earned?
And now draft position matters? Again, if they use Foles salary as the reason to start him, that's more of a reason to fire them.
(10-28-2019, 02:18 PM)Rico Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2019, 02:06 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Most Front Offices and Coaches prefer to go with the guy they drafted rather than the guy they paid for.
Just saying.
If they were are first round pick maybe.
Just sayin'.
(10-28-2019, 02:06 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]This should mean absolutely nothing. The Seahawks paid Matt Flynn to be the starter. The Cowboys paid Romo to be the starter.
If the team is playing well and the QB is a big reason why, you don't bench him unless it's for some HOF QB. I'll back Foles if he does become the starter again but it should be Minshew and it's really not even close. And if he plays really well and beats Houston? That makes Minshews case even stronger.
We're 4-4. I don't think he's earned anything yet.
He's outplayed every single rookie QB since the Superbowl era began. Doesn't matter what round he was taken in.
(10-28-2019, 01:56 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]If the Jags had Brees, I would be ok with going to him
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(10-28-2019, 02:37 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]Didn’t think this needed to be stated but:
https://twitter.com/jfowlerespn/status/1...92608?s=21
Announcer:
“What’s this? With the Jaguars down by two touchdowns in the 3rd quarter, Foles has been savagely tackled by his own teammates! He appears to be injured again!
Now Minshew is trotting onto the field to uproarious cheers from the fans and the team! This is the craziest thing I’ve ever seen!!”
(10-28-2019, 11:13 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]You start Foles when he is healthy. Minshew is fun to watch and has a bright future, but his wins have come against teams with 7 combined wins 8 weeks into the season. We need to pump the breaks a bit on Minny.
He lost to the Panthers and Saints. Two NFC powerhouse teams. And they barely lost those games. It was mostly the defense getting ran over in Carolina that cost them that football game. It's a team sport and effort. He was also playing through a knee and groin injury and he should improve as the year progresses if he's able to avoid big hits.
I don't think we pump the breaks on this kid at all. I think you continue to let him play out until he gives you a reason to bench him.
161 completions out of 260 attempts with a 61.9 completion percentage at 1,976 yards along with 13 TD's and 2 INT's and another 201 yards on the ground is solid production for any QB. He's technically 4 - 3 now as a starter. Losing to the tinhorns by a point on a 2 point conversion attempt, losing to a good Carolina team by a TD with a chance at the end to tie it for OT despite the defense choking majorly against CMC and also having virtually the same opportunity against the Saints in a one score game? You're foolish if you bench him for the sake of having Foles play.
Just dumb. As dumb as this team was during that New England play-off game where they benched Garrard for Leftwich in a [BLEEP] boot.
One thing that I'm pretty sure of, Coach Marrone isn't going to make a decision based on a player's salary. What each player makes, their draft position, history, experience, etc. doesn't really matter. The deciding factor is "which player gives the team the best opportunity to win"?
(10-28-2019, 03:30 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]One thing that I'm pretty sure of, Coach Marrone isn't going to make a decision based on a player's salary. What each player makes, their draft position, history, experience, etc. doesn't really matter. The deciding factor is "which player gives the team the best opportunity to win"?
Because coaches and front offices are judged by Ws.. not by playing the most expensive players.
All he can go by is what he sees in games and what his players tell him.
If they bench the kid and put in Foles, then they better win out and make the playoffs or else.....
(10-28-2019, 03:48 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]If they bench the kid and put in Foles, then they better win out and make the playoffs or else.....
Yyup.
(10-28-2019, 03:33 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2019, 03:30 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]One thing that I'm pretty sure of, Coach Marrone isn't going to make a decision based on a player's salary. What each player makes, their draft position, history, experience, etc. doesn't really matter. The deciding factor is "which player gives the team the best opportunity to win"?
Because coaches and front offices are judged by Ws.. not by playing the most expensive players.
All he can go by is what he sees in games and what his players tell him.
Agreed.
The thing is, a head coach isn't going to make a decision based on how they are "judged" by the fan base. The head coach will make a decision based on performance in not only games, but in practice. The only real "judges" that they have to face is perhaps the GM and the owner.
A GM is only going to be "judged" not by the fan base, but rather by the owner and possibly the coaching staff for the talent that they bring in and the cost of said talent.
It isn't out of the question to keep Foles on the bench if Minshew plays well next week since (in my opinion) he seems to give the team the best chance to win. It doesn't matter how much they are paying Foles. However, if there is something in practice than nobody else sees that justifies switching quarterbacks then the change will happen.
The bottom line is, a decision to play somebody is not based on salary, experience or draft position. It's always about which player at ANY position gives the team the best chance to win.
The team is competitive with him in there. In the games he started, no loss greater than 7 pts. differential. Cripes, with a completely reworked playbook he kept us close with Mahomes and the Chiefs. Unless he re-aggravates his groin injury, I don't see how you bench him. If we start having problems executing on offense, at that time maybe give him a rest, but everything I've seen from him indicates that his competitive nature is going to motivate him not to go down without a fight. This coaching staff would be signing their own pink slip if Nick comes in and the offense starts flailing.
As others have stated, though, I love that we have a plethora of talent at the position. Such a welcome change from the vacuum we've had there in recent years.
The bench Minshew and I swear to God I'll start a [BLEEP] riot downtown.
(10-28-2019, 04:51 PM)Hard_Eight Wrote: [ -> ]The bench Minshew and I swear to God I'll start a [BLEEP] riot downtown.
I’ll be at Hemming plaza and get al the hobos to protest with us
(10-28-2019, 05:14 PM)Talented Kalamari Wrote: [ -> ] (10-28-2019, 04:51 PM)Hard_Eight Wrote: [ -> ]The bench Minshew and I swear to God I'll start a [BLEEP] riot downtown.
I’ll be at Hemming plaza and get al the hobos to protest with us
I'll feed 'em