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I guess I'm in the minority, but I'm a big fan of Jack Del Rio. He was a really good coach, when the team had little talent. I really think he needs another stint with a nice core of young players. And he knows defense!

Anyone else worried that Shad's manlove for Minshew potentially limiting our GM/HC search to only guys who are enthusiastically in support of Minshew?

(11-24-2019, 11:17 PM)JAGs Nation Wrote: [ -> ]I guess I'm in the minority, but I'm a big fan of Jack Del Rio. He was a really good coach, when the team had little talent. I really think he needs another stint with a nice core of young players. And he knows defense!

Yeah but he doesn't know crap about offense.

Just stop, JDR is not better than Marrone, both are mediocre.

(11-24-2019, 11:19 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone else worried that Shad's manlove for Minshew potentially limiting our GM/HC search to only guys who are enthusiastically in support of Minshew?

No. Because if this were true, he’d still be starting.

(11-24-2019, 11:17 PM)JAGs Nation Wrote: [ -> ]I guess I'm in the minority, but I'm a big fan of Jack Del Rio. He was a really good coach, when the team had little talent. I really think he needs another stint with a nice core of young players. And he knows defense!

He’s 93-94 in his coaching career. Aim higher unless you’re a fan of mediocrity. There are plenty of young guys out there who can relate to today’s brand of football.

(11-24-2019, 11:22 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-24-2019, 11:19 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone else worried that Shad's manlove for Minshew potentially limiting our GM/HC search to only guys who are enthusiastically in support of Minshew?

No. Because if this were true, he’d still be starting.

It's quite a bit different to pull rank and mandate that the already entrenched FO (one that you likely already know is gone in a month anyway) start a player than it is to simply choose a candidate from scratch that has your desired preferences in agreement.

(11-24-2019, 11:19 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone else worried that Shad's manlove for Minshew potentially limiting our GM/HC search to only guys who are enthusiastically in support of Minshew?

If Shad's "manlove" was that heavy for Minshew then you wouldn't have seen Foles these past two weeks.

Khan is not Daniel Snyder. Khan doesn't force his coaches to draft QB's that they have to pigeon hole into their offensive approach.

Khan, is in fact, too damn nice and too damn patient as an owner. He bought the team and allowed Weaver to parlay Gene Smith into the deal.

That effectively set him back a year or two. Then he gives Caldwell a 2nd chance after his coach netted this franchise the worst stretch of it's existence.

Then he tries to please the fans by bringing old Tom "Sawyer" Coughlin back in town and so far old Tom is showing why he was a better football coach when he didn't have full control of personnel decisions.

Khan at this point is at the mercy of anyone coming in here willing to fix this [BLEEP]. 2017 was a mirage. We saw a stout defense feast on creampuff QB's and a Decamillis special team's unit pull hat trick after hat trick to elevate this team, barely, to double digit wins.

Hire Mike Borgonzi from the Chiefs. Maybe they'll hit paydirt like our rival clots did when they poached Chris Ballard from them not too long ago. But he needs a clean sweep.

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(11-24-2019, 11:26 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-24-2019, 11:22 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]No. Because if this were true, he’d still be starting.

It's quite a bit different to pull rank and mandate that the already entrenched FO (one that you likely already know is gone in a month anyway) start a player than it is to simply choose a candidate from scratch that has your desired preferences in agreement.

It doesn’t make sense. Especially from a business perspective. If he were that type of owner, Minshew would still be on the field and he’d still be cashing in.

Khan has showed during his tenure here that he’s pretty hands off and leaves football decisions to the football decision makers. Even with the Ramsey situation he stepped in and said his piece, but ultimately left the decision to trade him up to Tom and Dave.

Khan has also blowed smoke before. When he said Ramsey would play the following week.

(11-24-2019, 11:29 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Khan is not Daniel Snyder. Khan doesn't force his coaches to draft QB's that they have to pigeon hole into their offensive approach.

Well, we saw that info about how Shad fell in love with Minshew and wanted Dave to take him earlier than we did. Dave thought he would go undrafted. They compromised and guess who got his guy. We don't really even know if Dave liked Minshew to begin with, and if he did he didn't want to use a pick on him.

You're telling me that if he can make a long time entrenched GM who didn't want to use a pick on a guy draft him that he couldn't look past some potentially better hires to go with the one who shares his enthusiasm for Garner? I think that's very within the realm of possibilities.

(11-24-2019, 11:55 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-24-2019, 11:29 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Khan is not Daniel Snyder. Khan doesn't force his coaches to draft QB's that they have to pigeon hole into their offensive approach.

Well, we saw that info about how Shad fell in love with Minshew and wanted Dave to take him earlier than we did. Dave thought he would go undrafted. They compromised and guess who got his guy. We don't really even know if Dave liked Minshew to begin with, and if he did he didn't want to use a pick on him.

You're telling me that if he can make a long time entrenched GM who didn't want to use a pick on a guy draft him that he couldn't look past some potentially better hires to go with the one who shares his enthusiasm for Garner? I think that's very within the realm of possibilities.

So basically what you're really saying is that we should be thanking Khan for our four wins this year?

Awesome. Didn't know he loved the kid more than his general manager. Considering that Caldwell wasted similar picks on the likes of [BLEEP] Brandon Allen and Tanner Lee I would say maybe Khan should overide more of Caldwell's choices.

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(11-24-2019, 10:33 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-24-2019, 09:47 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]If a 125 - 77 regular season record and 8 - 10 post season record screams "predictable" and "basic" I'll take it over the herculean sized dog [BLEEP] this franchise has produced over that exact same time span.

And, again. Maybe Foles and/or Minshew operate better under Mike McCarthy. Green Bay was known for being notoriously cheap and they seldom retained most of their best talent as well.

All I am saying is that they have to get somebody here that's been there and done it. At least that man understands what it takes from the head coaching position. Would rather not see them over think this again and hire another Mike Mularkey, Doug Marrone or Gus Bradley.

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Now take away one of the best QBs to ever play and what do you have?

It's a given that McCarthy is better than Gus and all of them. His approach offensively is not something I'd want to replicate here without one of the greatest QBs to ever play however

Subtracting Rodgers' record from McCarthy's while McCarty was coach, a quick calculation makes McCarthy 27-26 without Rodgers.

(11-24-2019, 11:55 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-24-2019, 11:29 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Khan is not Daniel Snyder. Khan doesn't force his coaches to draft QB's that they have to pigeon hole into their offensive approach.

Well, we saw that info about how Shad fell in love with Minshew and wanted Dave to take him earlier than we did. Dave thought he would go undrafted. They compromised and guess who got his guy. We don't really even know if Dave liked Minshew to begin with, and if he did he didn't want to use a pick on him.

You're telling me that if he can make a long time entrenched GM who didn't want to use a pick on a guy draft him that he couldn't look past some potentially better hires to go with the one who shares his enthusiasm for Garner? I think that's very within the realm of possibilities.

Wait where does the Shad and Minshew stuff come from? I don't remember that at all, I just remember Tom liking him a lot after a meeting

(11-25-2019, 12:27 AM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-24-2019, 10:33 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Now take away one of the best QBs to ever play and what do you have?

It's a given that McCarthy is better than Gus and all of them. His approach offensively is not something I'd want to replicate here without one of the greatest QBs to ever play however

Subtracting Rodgers' record from McCarthy's while McCarty was coach, a quick calculation makes McCarthy 27-26 without Rodgers.

Which gives him a total of 6 wins or so without HOF QBs. Granted Favre was only great in one of his years.

(11-25-2019, 12:31 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-24-2019, 11:55 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Well, we saw that info about how Shad fell in love with Minshew and wanted Dave to take him earlier than we did. Dave thought he would go undrafted. They compromised and guess who got his guy. We don't really even know if Dave liked Minshew to begin with, and if he did he didn't want to use a pick on him.

You're telling me that if he can make a long time entrenched GM who didn't want to use a pick on a guy draft him that he couldn't look past some potentially better hires to go with the one who shares his enthusiasm for Garner? I think that's very within the realm of possibilities.

Wait where does the Shad and Minshew stuff come from? I don't remember that at all, I just remember Tom liking him a lot after a meeting

First time I hear about it... but if true we should be thanking Khan tbh lol

Shad , Tom and Dave met with Minshew with all the coaches and as the story goes Tom really liked him and Shad apparently did too.

But I don't remember Dave saying he should be undrafted nor do I think Shads view of him had more weight than Toms.

(11-24-2019, 11:55 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-24-2019, 11:29 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Khan is not Daniel Snyder. Khan doesn't force his coaches to draft QB's that they have to pigeon hole into their offensive approach.

Well, we saw that info about how Shad fell in love with Minshew and wanted Dave to take him earlier than we did. Dave thought he would go undrafted. They compromised and guess who got his guy. We don't really even know if Dave liked Minshew to begin with, and if he did he didn't want to use a pick on him.

You're telling me that if he can make a long time entrenched GM who didn't want to use a pick on a guy draft him that he couldn't look past some potentially better hires to go with the one who shares his enthusiasm for Garner? I think that's very within the realm of possibilities.

Please provide a link.

I saw none of what you are saying "we" saw except that TC was really impressed with the Minshew combine interview. Where did you read this stuff?

(11-24-2019, 11:17 PM)JAGs Nation Wrote: [ -> ]I guess I'm in the minority, but I'm a big fan of Jack Del Rio. He was a really good coach, when the team had little talent. I really think he needs another stint with a nice core of young players. And he knows defense!

Never thought I'd see some love for JDR but there's been a couple of mentions on the board. I can't imagine bringing him back and having him compile a couple more 5-11 records as the fanbase would go even more bonkers than it is right now.

Nah, I agree with the crowd at this point- Tom, Dave, Baloney, Wash and DeFillippo need to punch out. I'm betting the firings begin with Wash at 10 AM today with the rest on Black Monday.

Someone said grabbing Jim Harbaugh and I'd be on board with that.

The team needs someone to hold them accountable and teach them how to be mean. Currently I think the team is trying to be cute and Jim's teams haven't put up with that in the past,

Need an entire culture change from it just being a game and a paycheck to pride. I feel like no one is playing for pride when I watch people get man handled.

(11-25-2019, 09:14 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Please provide a link.

I saw none of what you are saying "we" saw except that TC was really impressed with the Minshew combine interview. Where did you read this stuff?

https://www.jaguars.com/news/khan-talks-...amsey-more

I barely read the team website and even I saw that earlier this month. The beat provided several context tweets about Shad wanting him earlier, Dave did want him but as a UDFA, and they settled on the 6th.

I agree with everyone that Shad has been a very hands off owner in general, but he was hands on in Minshew's specific case. Considering how the Minshew Mania blew up I could see him being even more steadfast about making sure whoever he hires next is as on board as he is.

(11-25-2019, 09:42 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-25-2019, 09:14 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Please provide a link.

I saw none of what you are saying "we" saw except that TC was really impressed with the Minshew combine interview. Where did you read this stuff?

https://www.jaguars.com/news/khan-talks-...amsey-more

I barely read the team website and even I saw that earlier this month. The beat provided several context tweets about Shad wanting him earlier, Dave did want him but as a UDFA, and they settled on the 6th.

I agree with everyone that Shad has been a very hands off owner in general, but he was hands on in Minshew's specific case. Considering how the Minshew Mania blew up I could see him being even more steadfast about making sure whoever he hires next is as on board as he is.

So you're just embellishing all the stuff about Dave thinking he'd go undrafted and not wanting to spend a pick on him?

There's a broad statement that the "consensus" was that he'd go undrafted. That is not mentioned in the context of the Jags f.o. - but generally.

Then later within context of our ownership/FO it is implied that Khan was nervous about waiting until the 6th round and wanted him earlier than that. Dave thought he'd be there in the sixth.

The biggest drama intensity for me in the draft was that we went down to sixth round [before selecting Minshew]. David Caldwell thought he definitely was going to be there. I thought let’s take him [earlier] and let’s just call it a day.’’

(11-24-2019, 09:31 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]
(11-24-2019, 09:21 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Rodgers is a great QB. Can't take that away from him. But McCarthy has an outstanding approach offensively and he could probably get a lot out of Minshew.

I like him more than any other candidate out there. We need somebody that has won games consistently. He's done that.

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How does McCarthy have an outstanding approach offensively when he had one of the most basic and predictable offenses in the league and often depended on Rodgers to bail them out (which he was obviously great at)?

Agreed, Fournette is the centerpiece of our offense presently, and McCarthy has never had a run game to speak of.

Rodgers hid a lot of his blemishes, I would say. And no, Minshew is not ready to be the next Rodgers. YET.

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