(11-22-2019, 06:28 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (11-22-2019, 02:57 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]There in lies the problem. This team has no core identity. They draft talent that does not fit what they are trying to do. I am no football genius but even I can see Myles Jack (wasn't down) is not a natural middle line backer.
I mean this isn't true.
You can argue if the picks are good or not but there is a pretty consistent effort in trying to fit the draft picks to the defense (and offense on occasion )
Ronnie - strong safety who excels in short zones
Jack - freak athlete who can cover
Bryan- freak athlete to disrupt at 3 tech
Yan - perfect weakside DE
Quincy - rangy run and hit LB
Ramsey - literally the perfect fit for a corner in this scheme
Again, you can argue if they were good picks, or if we should have gone to different positions, but it's pretty easy to see them attempting to fill archetypes for the defensive plan.
All that talent and the system isn't working? Regardless I retract my statement. What I should have said is the identity they are trying to establish is outdated in today's fantasy football driven NFL.
(11-23-2019, 07:32 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (11-22-2019, 06:28 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I mean this isn't true.
You can argue if the picks are good or not but there is a pretty consistent effort in trying to fit the draft picks to the defense (and offense on occasion )
Ronnie - strong safety who excels in short zones
Jack - freak athlete who can cover
Bryan- freak athlete to disrupt at 3 tech
Yan - perfect weakside DE
Quincy - rangy run and hit LB
Ramsey - literally the perfect fit for a corner in this scheme
Again, you can argue if they were good picks, or if we should have gone to different positions, but it's pretty easy to see them attempting to fill archetypes for the defensive plan.
All that talent and the system isn't working? Regardless I retract my statement. What I should have said is the identity they are trying to establish is outdated in today's fantasy football driven NFL.
That's where coaching comes in.
The offensive identify they're trying to establish this year is not the same as 2017 so I don't know where you are going with that. And defensive identity has been the same. I don't really know what you mean
The problem with this defense is that it isn't good enough schemed to take on the best teams. That has been brought up.
(11-22-2019, 02:39 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ] (11-21-2019, 06:11 PM)MikePete54 Wrote: [ -> ]"the Seahawks defense". Just tired to read that.
We have no Bobby Wagner, no KJ Wright, Chacellor, Earl Thomas or Sherman.
Wash is doing the same thing than his buddy Gus. It doesn't work.
I'd argue that we did for a bit. Ramsey then we had Telvin, Church and Gipson were all playing at a all pro level when we got so close to the super bowl but yeah not now..
https://twitter.com/ryaneatscake/status/...2674984961
As for the twitter comment about "why block, etc,"... The QB was about to throw his direction wherein a defender will often hesitate and put his hands up to block the potential passing lane.
(11-21-2019, 08:06 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (11-21-2019, 05:30 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Nah. It's a bit of semi-technical explanation about why Jack and others are getting blocked out of reacting to the ball.
They aren't coached to immediately get downhill into their gap, they are being coached to flow to the ball.
Problem is: Jack, Williams, Goode, and Jacobs don't have those natural instincts to diagnose plays and flow to the ball. Because it's taking them longer to diagnose and they are missing Dareus it's giving pulling or climbing guards time and ease to get to the second level and block them out of running lanes.
The LBs are struggling in the system and the DTs are allowing O-linemen to reach them before they can rect.
Yep generally they aren't going forward, they are going sideways or backwards. That allows the OL to get to the 2nd level. Generally the LBs are in position or near enough, but they are being blocked by an OL. You can't blame a LB for not getting off a block when you design the defense to be passive. The coaches are setting up the LBs to fail. They have 2 speed LBs and they keep them in the stable because they want them backpedaling.
It goes to playing zone all the time. The defense isn't the attacking defense that it should be, it is passive except on the DL. The issue is the Jags only bring 4 at a time, so if they don't win, the zone is setup to allow mid and underneath plays.
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Not to mention that all the missed tackles allow the runner to get past the lbs into wide open space...We have seen some piss poor half [BLEEP] attempts to tackle by multiple defenders resulting in big plays
3 straight games with over 200 yards rushing against us. First time in Franchise history! 4th time in 7 games.
I'm tired of words about fixing it, I need to see it.
What’s run defense?
- Todd Wash
Tony just doesn't like seeing people he knows get fired.
Todd Wash is an abysmal coach. I imagine him in kindergarten with those wooden blocks trying desperately to hammer in a square block in a round hole. That's just who he is. An arrogant loser who thinks his scheme can work with anyone.
(11-25-2019, 09:38 AM)MikePete54 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/1010XL/status/1198954879710048256
I do think that player error is a very large contributor to the issues in our run defense.
I also think that Wash's refusal to adjust to help his current roster combat it more effectively is a significant part of the problem.
His inability to instill in players the importance of sticking to their roles and not improvising also must be called into question. I've not sure I've ever seen a back seven more easily duped by motion, rub routes and misdirection. That has to be coached out of them.
(11-25-2019, 09:59 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-25-2019, 09:38 AM)MikePete54 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/1010XL/status/1198954879710048256
I do think that player error is a very large contributor to the issues in our run defense.
I also think that Wash's refusal to adjust to help his current roster combat it more effectively is a significant part of the problem.
His inability to instill in players the importance of sticking to their roles and not improvising also must be called into question. I've not sure I've ever seen a back seven more easily duped by motion, rub routes and misdirection. That has to be coached out of them.
I don't know that you can coach up "dumb."
(11-25-2019, 10:03 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-25-2019, 09:59 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I do think that player error is a very large contributor to the issues in our run defense.
I also think that Wash's refusal to adjust to help his current roster combat it more effectively is a significant part of the problem.
His inability to instill in players the importance of sticking to their roles and not improvising also must be called into question. I've not sure I've ever seen a back seven more easily duped by motion, rub routes and misdirection. That has to be coached out of them.
I don't know that you can coach up "dumb."
The Patriots do it all the time.
(11-25-2019, 10:03 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-25-2019, 09:59 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I do think that player error is a very large contributor to the issues in our run defense.
I also think that Wash's refusal to adjust to help his current roster combat it more effectively is a significant part of the problem.
His inability to instill in players the importance of sticking to their roles and not improvising also must be called into question. I've not sure I've ever seen a back seven more easily duped by motion, rub routes and misdirection. That has to be coached out of them.
I don't know that you can coach up "dumb."
Agreed. That's part of it. Which is why the Myles Jack extension was not only premature but ill-fated.
The best they can hope for now is a new DC that can find a dumbed-down role for Jack on the outside that he'll be handsomely overpaid to execute.
(11-25-2019, 10:07 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (11-25-2019, 10:03 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know that you can coach up "dumb."
The Patriots do it all the time.
Actually - I think they evaluate learning capacity better when acquiring players and certainly don't extend the uncoachable to big contracts.
Perhaps we should start valuing intelligence a bit more in our scouting.
(11-22-2019, 01:40 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (11-21-2019, 05:54 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]So he'll live or die by his system.
That's about what I got out of it.
This is why he has to go. Sometimes you don't have the personnel to run the type of scheme you want to run, so you have to adapt to what you have and play to their strengths. Wash refuses to change. No matter how many times you try, a square peg will not fit into a round hole.
Three dings for this post.
(11-25-2019, 10:17 AM)RedRooster28 Wrote: [ -> ]Perhaps we should start valuing intelligence a bit more in our scouting.
How about value intelligence in a HC? Mr. Bologna doesn't have a triple digit IQ.
(11-25-2019, 09:59 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-25-2019, 09:38 AM)MikePete54 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/1010XL/status/1198954879710048256
I do think that player error is a very large contributor to the issues in our run defense.
I also think that Wash's refusal to adjust to help his current roster combat it more effectively is a significant part of the problem.
His inability to instill in players the importance of sticking to their roles and not improvising also must be called into question. I've not sure I've ever seen a back seven more easily duped by motion, rub routes and misdirection. That has to be coached out of them.
I was watching Green Bay's defense get smoked last night just like the Jaguars zone. They bit hard on motion and run keys so huge wide open gains. I'm jealous of the 49ers coaching staff and what they are getting out of their players across the board.
So my point as it relates to this thread is bad coaching isn't a Jaguars only thing but a team designed to play with a lead needs to get a dang lead.
I honestly don't think (and even refuse to believe) our players are this garbage/dumb.
Pretty sure it is, at the very least, 80% Wash's fault.
(11-22-2019, 02:57 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]There in lies the problem. This team has no core identity. They draft talent that does not fit what they are trying to do. I am no football genius but even I can see Myles Jack (wasn't down) is not a natural middle line backer.
I think we fell in love with speed on defense (more of that Seahag crap), and forgot that you have to play with a lead for it to work. Speed usually means you're going to be undersized, which makes you susceptible to the run.
So, we do have an identity, it's just not one that fits the overall design of our team.
(11-25-2019, 09:38 AM)MikePete54 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/1010XL/status/1198954879710048256
@You have to know something to forget it, right?@
It's not that he doesn't "know" run defense, he doesn't know how to adjust his scheme to fit the roster he's dealt.
If your DT is not eating the blocks they are supposed to be eating, there needs to be a shift in personnel or help where the blocks are supposed to engage.