(12-12-2019, 03:16 PM)DragonFury Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2019, 12:00 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.reddit.com/r/Wellthatsucks/c...ame=iossmf
Like SeldomRite said already, it's not that different from when there is a gas shortage and massive lines formed at any gas station that had gas. The only issue here is the infrastructure is not keeping up with the demand, once that catches up issues like these will disappear as well.
I expect ten years from now charging infrastructure will be so pervasive that the idea of not having access to charging will be laughable. Putting charging facilities in every parking lot will be a profit vector that didn't exist before, but it's coming.
(12-05-2019, 12:58 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2019, 05:53 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]How do you figure less maintenance? About the only thing I can think of is no motor oil change.
What makes you think that an electric motor is unlikely to need work or maintenance done? Ever hear of brushes or a stator? Even if batteries are warrantied, what do you do to dispose of them? (lithium, not a conventional battery).
I'll stick with my gas-using F-150 and my diesel-using F-250.
I am pretty sure that the type of motors used in Tesla's and other plug-in vehicles have neither brushes nor a stator.
I am pretty sure that the whole thing is controlled by semiconductors.
Semiconductors can deteriorate and break under heavy use, and they would probably be very expensive to replace. But they could also be rated to last longer than any other part of the car.
So I am a bit of a fan of Teslas and I watch this guy RichRebuilds on youtube. There are a lot of things that can go wrong on a Tesla, and a lot of thier parts break and require replacement. Tesla is similar to FCA in that the newest cars have more problems but get more reliable as the age of the model increases and R&D improves.
Also there is a company that uses Teslas as taxis basically and has several with 250k+ miles. It is not uncommon for the motors to fail before 100k and the replacement is very expensive (think 5k+). And if your battery needs replacement even a used one is like 15k. I am sure the aftermarket will address the batteries in the future and that cost will come down but the motors are a different beast.
Either way, they are not maitenance free, and have many of thier own issues with quality. Still cool, but most Tesla fanbois are extremely biased to the point of becoming propaganda in thier description of the vehicles.
(12-12-2019, 04:38 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2019, 03:16 PM)DragonFury Wrote: [ -> ]Like SeldomRite said already, it's not that different from when there is a gas shortage and massive lines formed at any gas station that had gas. The only issue here is the infrastructure is not keeping up with the demand, once that catches up issues like these will disappear as well.
I expect ten years from now charging infrastructure will be so pervasive that the idea of not having access to charging will be laughable. Putting charging facilities in every parking lot will be a profit vector that didn't exist before, but it's coming.
Yeah but how many slots do you give to electrics, and if the chargers are too close to the store people will start parking in them with non electrics. You can claim that you tow the cars, but that seems like a bad practice if you want to keep customers.
(01-04-2020, 04:54 AM)HandsomeRob86 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2019, 04:38 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]I expect ten years from now charging infrastructure will be so pervasive that the idea of not having access to charging will be laughable. Putting charging facilities in every parking lot will be a profit vector that didn't exist before, but it's coming.
Yeah but how many slots do you give to electrics, and if the chargers are too close to the store people will start parking in them with non electrics. You can claim that you tow the cars, but that seems like a bad practice if you want to keep customers.
In ten years there will likely be well over ten million electric vehicles in use between Tesla and all the other brands, and charging providers will want to get their infrastructure deployed to get a share of the market serving them. I don't expect whole parking lots taken up by dedicated charger spots, but having several in every large merchant area is likely. By that I mean you will probably find 10+ charging spots at any Publix or Walmart or Target. I also doubt there will be people getting towed for parking in them often because they'll probably not be right next to the entrance like handicapped spots and parking isn't that hard to find for people that can walk a few yards. We'll see though.
As someone who works in automotive I can say without a doubt the hybrids require less maintenance than gas engine or eco diesels. But the full electric cars they’re throw away cars. Buy it for 5 years and then trade out of it.
To me the hybrid is The future we don’t have the battery technology to make full electric vehicles the main form of transportation. Hybrids have the ability to go 30-45 mpg in full size sedans. I see CUV hybrids flirting with 35mpg and compact hybrids getting north of 50mpg. Ford, GM, Chrysler are all racing to build the most efficient hybrid truck without compromising the tow capacity so that’s around the bend too.
For hybrids to improve you have to keep improving AGM battery technology and retrain industry repair man on the programming AGM bAtteries. Did you know if you don’t tell your computer system on most cars built after 2015 that you’ve replaced the battery (AGM batteries exclusively) the pcm will overcharge your battery through the voltage regulator in your alternator and cook the battery in less Than a year, you just wasted $200.
Other aspects that make hybrids better today include regenerative braking technology, cylinder load distribution technology, auto start stop technology(not a fan of this one), and gas direct import technology.
(01-04-2020, 10:55 AM)EricC85 Wrote: [ -> ]As someone who works in automotive I can say without a doubt the hybrids require less maintenance than gas engine or eco diesels. But the full electric cars they’re throw away cars. Buy it for 5 years and then trade out of it.
To me the hybrid is The future we don’t have the battery technology to make full electric vehicles the main form of transportation. Hybrids have the ability to go 30-45 mpg in full size sedans. I see CUV hybrids flirting with 35mpg and compact hybrids getting north of 50mpg. Ford, GM, Chrysler are all racing to build the most efficient hybrid truck without compromising the tow capacity so that’s around the bend too.
For hybrids to improve you have to keep improving AGM battery technology and retrain industry repair man on the programming AGM bAtteries. Did you know if you don’t tell your computer system on most cars built after 2015 that you’ve replaced the battery (AGM batteries exclusively) the pcm will overcharge your battery through the voltage regulator in your alternator and cook the battery in less Than a year, you just wasted $200.
Other aspects that make hybrids better today include regenerative braking technology, cylinder load distribution technology, auto start stop technology(not a fan of this one), and gas direct import technology.
The rest of the world is going to pretty much force BEV transition. Hybrids are nice as a bridge tech for those that aren't brave enough for the frontier of tech, but Europe and China are making BEV development essential. I expect people to keep buying gas guzzling trucks here in the USA for quite a few more years for no good reason, but it'll likely just result in the continued decline of the US automotive manufacturers not named Tesla.
In Europe your seeing more of a transition to hybrid eco diesels they’ve always pushed the diesel over there more than gas engines. But the Asian market absolutely not they are all in in hybrid tech, China talks about BEV exclusivity but they’re not even a major player in manufacturing vehicles globally, they focus on part manufacturing but they’re such a small player in overall automotive manufacturing they’re not really able to set market trends. Not to mention they rely more on mass transportation.
(01-04-2020, 11:22 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (12-24-2019, 04:13 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/GussAutomation/statu...75106?s=19
Thought some of y'all would like this.
That’s pretty awesome. Does it serve well as an actual work truck, though? I’m genuinely curious.
Oh it's not mine, I just follow that ag mfg company and dream about owning one of those sprayers. Apparently they thought so though.
(01-05-2020, 12:49 AM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2020, 11:22 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]That’s pretty awesome. Does it serve well as an actual work truck, though? I’m genuinely curious.
Oh it's not mine, I just follow that ag mfg company and dream about owning one of those sprayers. Apparently they thought so though.
So how the heck does an unmanned sprayer work? How does it guide itself?
(01-04-2020, 11:22 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (12-24-2019, 04:13 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/GussAutomation/statu...75106?s=19
Thought some of y'all would like this.
That’s pretty awesome. Does it serve well as an actual work truck, though? I’m genuinely curious.
My brother-in-law works in construction, he thinks one drawback is the sides of the bed are too high to access items in the front of the bed from the side.
(01-05-2020, 11:38 AM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ] (01-04-2020, 11:22 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]That’s pretty awesome. Does it serve well as an actual work truck, though? I’m genuinely curious.
My brother-in-law works in construction, he thinks one drawback is the sides of the bed are too high to access items in the front of the bed from the side.
You know how many trucks I see doing construction or similar that are lifted? Even F250’s that are lifted yet still do the job. It’s almost like every owners truck is sitting up high. I doubt that would be a huge issue. I think he was more so asking about towing and range while towing. Or at least that’s what it came off to me as. Not to sound like an [BLEEP], but shouldn’t need someone who is in construction to verify the height of the side and whether or not it’s a problem.
(01-05-2020, 12:40 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2020, 11:38 AM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]My brother-in-law works in construction, he thinks one drawback is the sides of the bed are too high to access items in the front of the bed from the side.
You know how many trucks I see doing construction or similar that are lifted? Even F250’s that are lifted yet still do the job. It’s almost like every owners truck is sitting up high. I doubt that would be a huge issue. I think he was more so asking about towing and range while towing. Or at least that’s what it came off to me as. Not to sound like an [BLEEP], but shouldn’t need someone who is in construction to verify the height of the side and whether or not it’s a problem.
Towing ability and range was the focus of my question, but the high access on the sides is also a valid concern. Not just for reachability, but oversize cargo placement, as well.
(01-05-2020, 12:40 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2020, 11:38 AM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]My brother-in-law works in construction, he thinks one drawback is the sides of the bed are too high to access items in the front of the bed from the side.
You know how many trucks I see doing construction or similar that are lifted? Even F250’s that are lifted yet still do the job. It’s almost like every owners truck is sitting up high. I doubt that would be a huge issue. I think he was more so asking about towing and range while towing. Or at least that’s what it came off to me as. Not to sound like an [BLEEP], but shouldn’t need someone who is in construction to verify the height of the side and whether or not it’s a problem.
You kinda sound like an [BLEEP] because he doesn't use a lifted truck at work, and from my vantage point I can't tell how high is too high.
(01-05-2020, 05:29 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2020, 01:07 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]So how the heck does an unmanned sprayer work? How does it guide itself?
https://twitter.com/GussAutomation/statu...78848?s=19
GPS.
This guy has really hit on a good idea and developed it well. He's going to make a mint. Unfortunately it won't be long before the Chinese steal it and undercut him.
http://gussag.com/about/guss-story/
"GUSS, standing for Global Unmanned Spray System, was met with many challenges throughout its development. The single biggest challenge in building GUSS was that GPS doesn’t work well under tree canopies. Therefore, other vehicle sensors and software were developed to supplement GUSS’s GPS and help guide the vehicle through the orchard. Overall, GUSS went through more than three years of development and testing before we deemed it ready for action. Dave’s vision for the future is fleets of GUSS machines spraying field after field in a very safe, precise, and efficient manner."
(01-05-2020, 05:48 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2020, 12:40 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]You know how many trucks I see doing construction or similar that are lifted? Even F250’s that are lifted yet still do the job. It’s almost like every owners truck is sitting up high. I doubt that would be a huge issue. I think he was more so asking about towing and range while towing. Or at least that’s what it came off to me as. Not to sound like an [BLEEP], but shouldn’t need someone who is in construction to verify the height of the side and whether or not it’s a problem.
You kinda sound like an [BLEEP] because he doesn't use a lifted truck at work, and from my vantage point I can't tell how high is too high.
If I had a nickel for anytime someone said I was an [BLEEP] I’d be rich. Not worried about it. I too agree that it looks high. It’s a weird body style. With that comes unconventional styling/heights. I drive a lifted truck just luck many others. And your point is not only valid but correct. It is a pain to get something out from the sides at times. Especially if it’s a heavy two handed job. But we adapt to it because we like our trucks that way. Configure our trucks to minimize the inconvenience. As I would assume owners of the Cybertruck would adapt as well. If that is what they want. If anything, the [BLEEP] in me, was questioning why it took a construction worker to tell someone that. If you never had a truck I understand. Even in a regular truck it’s a pain sometimes. My opinion, if you want to go that route, you adjust to make it fit. My apologies for being an [BLEEP]. That is, in fact, who I am.
I’m with the biscuit on this one. It’s more so a matter of how well the range is when towing/hauling.
I am one of the few that actually like the way the truck looks.
Just re-read both posts. If I sound like an [BLEEP] for it not being lifted, that’s on you. Was certainly not my angle. Just pointing out I see MANY lifted trucks in that and similar industries while I’m out and about. And they get work done just fine. So, if the sides are too high, you’re either doing it wrong, or ...well, I’ll stop myself there. Seems like you may be more upset for a topic more suited for the political section.
(01-05-2020, 06:43 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (01-05-2020, 05:29 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/GussAutomation/statu...78848?s=19
GPS.
This guy has really hit on a good idea and developed it well. He's going to make a mint. Unfortunately it won't be long before the Chinese steal it and undercut him.
http://gussag.com/about/guss-story/
"GUSS, standing for Global Unmanned Spray System, was met with many challenges throughout its development. The single biggest challenge in building GUSS was that GPS doesn’t work well under tree canopies. Therefore, other vehicle sensors and software were developed to supplement GUSS’s GPS and help guide the vehicle through the orchard. Overall, GUSS went through more than three years of development and testing before we deemed it ready for action. Dave’s vision for the future is fleets of GUSS machines spraying field after field in a very safe, precise, and efficient manner."
It's cool but it's really only viable for farms that are, let's say, 5000 acres and up - maybe even more than that. There's really only so many that are that size. It'll be interesting to watch the industry because I think drones doing the same thing will be right behind him and a few factors more efficient.
The Chinese manufacturers haven't even made inroads with tractors yet. I'll be retired by the time they get around to sprayers, if they ever do at all. Asia views tree crops as a very niche market.
(12-12-2019, 11:16 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-12-2019, 12:00 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.reddit.com/r/Wellthatsucks/c...ame=iossmf
Elon Musk is already on the way to his next big idea. He knows his brain-dead following has no issue waiting in line for 4 hours to charge a vehicle. After-all, that is what sheep do. It's like everyday is a hurricane when you are filling up your Tesla!
If I didn't work from home and my car wasn't already paid off, that Model 3 would be tempting. It starts at $35k, which honestly isn't terrible these days as the price of [BLEEP] cars continues to soar ($35k before tax and dealer BS just to sniff a base model F-150), and my building has complementary chargers for electric vehicles. I'd commute for a couple of days, back it in and charge it overnight for free and cut the gas bill out entirely.
Of course, I work from home and my car is paid off, so the cost savings of going to a $35k+ car wouldn't exist. If I had to commute and had a car payment anyway, that Model 3 would have my attention.