David Bakhtiari
Tyron Smith
Taylor Lewan
Trent Williams
Andrew Whitworth
Mitchell Schwartz
Those were your top six OT's ranked by the players last year going into 2019. Even with Williams sitting out this year and Whitworth declining due to age I STILL think Tunsil falls outside of the top 5. Castonzo has played well this year for the the clots. Stanley is certainly up there. Peters is still getting it done for the Eagles.
Tunsil is good. Still improving. I just don't see him as a top five guy at this position yet.
(12-08-2019, 10:05 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]David Bakhtiari
Tyron Smith
Taylor Lewan
Trent Williams
Andrew Whitworth
Mitchell Schwartz
Those were your top six OT's ranked by the players last year going into 2019. Even with Williams sitting out this year and Whitworth declining due to age I STILL think Tunsil falls outside of the top 5. Castonzo has played well this year for the the clots. Stanley is certainly up there. Peters is still getting it done for the Eagles.
Tunsil is good. Still improving. I just don't see him as a top five guy at this position yet.
As good as Smith has been over the years they have both had a better year than Smith this year. Whitworth has declined big time from last year to this year and William's hasnt even played. The reason Tunsil and Stanley wasnt on the list is because they were both young and now having career years. A lot of time it takes the tackle position a little longer. I bet going into this year they will both be top 5 on that list
Ramsey was the right draft choice at the time, and the Jags got a lot of good games out of him, but he has struggled to control his inner diva and in 2019 the diva finally won. Now the Rams will get some good games out of him but the price has risen exponentially and retaining his services will require good-faith negotiations with an emotional infant - good luck with that.
(12-08-2019, 09:57 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-07-2019, 06:41 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Tyron Smith, Trent Williams, Terron Armstead, Lane Johnson, Ryan Ramzcyk have all been better than Tunsil over the last few years. So have Bakhtiari and Andrew Withworth, although Whitworth has regressed this year. Tunsil is a fringe top 10 tackle in the NFL.
The positional value difference between a star corner and a star tackle isn't much. That's totally different to a RB Vs QB or a RB Vs CB. So if a corner is a stud and the tackle you skipped on is a stud, there really isn't much lost value.
Not that I'd expect you to understand any of this
I understand that you're just wasting your time and typing stuff that nobody was trying too debate lol. Where did RB come from? We are talking about corner and LT. I know exactly how important the position value is of each and if you can get one of the best LTs in the league or one of the best corners in the league out of any draft give me the LT. On top of that it's much harder to find a great LT than it is to find a great corner
https://youtu.be/7h9rQEyNQ90
1) You brought up RB you buffoon. It's not comparable to the Fournette situation at all.
2) Tunsil hasn't been a top 5 tackle at any point in his career so far
3) You haven't shown an ability to understand positional value before so let me ask you, how do you measure positional value and what is the practical difference between a top 5 corner and a tackle? (Hint: it's not much)
Still waiting for flgators to outline how he measures positional value...
(12-09-2019, 10:40 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Still waiting for flgators to outline how he measures positional value...
Sometimes it's like talking too a 5 year old or a woman with you, you always have to get the last word. Positional value has been beaten to death many times on this board. Are you new here or did you forget?
I would rate them
1. QB
2. LT
3. DE
4. CB
5. LB/DT/WR
LOL
Jalen Ramsey was a bad pick now because it turns out we missed on Cam Robinson?
This thread gets the herpderpoftheyear award.
Ramsey was the right pick and we'll benefit from it in the next two drafts.
(12-09-2019, 11:01 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]LOL
Jalen Ramsey was a bad pick now because it turns out we missed on Cam Robinson?
This thread gets the herpderpoftheyear award.
Ramsey was the right pick and we'll benefit from it in the next two drafts.
Can you show me where I said he was a bad pick? We dont benefit from it if we miss on the picks we got for Ramsey
(12-09-2019, 10:56 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-09-2019, 10:40 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Still waiting for flgators to outline how he measures positional value...
Sometimes it's like talking too a 5 year old or a woman with you, you always have to get the last word. Positional value has been beaten to death many times on this board. Are you new here or did you forget?
I would rate them
1. QB
2. LT
3. DE
4. CB
5. LB/DT/WR
So you get routinely made a show of by a 5 year old/woman?
I'm well aware of how positional value works, im asking you how you measure the difference. So for instance its obvious that QB trumps all....but how would you measure the value difference between a top 5 DE and a top 5 LT, and conversely, how would you measure the difference between a top 5 LT and a top 5 corner
Dave missed on our 2nd round pick too. I wanted Jack but he wasnt the right pick. Should of taken Xavier Howard, Chris Jones, Michael Thomas, Byard. All would of been better picks
(12-09-2019, 10:56 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-09-2019, 10:40 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Still waiting for flgators to outline how he measures positional value...
Sometimes it's like talking too a 5 year old or a woman with you, you always have to get the last word. Positional value has been beaten to death many times on this board. Are you new here or did you forget?
I would rate them
1. QB
2. LT
3. DE
4. CB
5. LB/DT/WR
I know plenty of women who have more football intelligence than you. Get a clue.
And are you really going down the road of who the Jags should have picked instead in every draft?
Also, why aren't you starting a "Jags 2015 1st round pick" thread? That seems to have been the wrong pick too.
(12-09-2019, 11:10 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (12-09-2019, 10:56 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Sometimes it's like talking too a 5 year old or a woman with you, you always have to get the last word. Positional value has been beaten to death many times on this board. Are you new here or did you forget?
I would rate them
1. QB
2. LT
3. DE
4. CB
5. LB/DT/WR
So you get routinely made a show of by a 5 year old/woman?
I'm well aware of how positional value works, im asking you how you measure the difference. So for instance its obvious that QB trumps all....but how would you measure the value difference between a top 5 DE and a top 5 LT, and conversely, how would you measure the difference between a top 5 LT and a top 5 corner
Lol, too much twitter for you. You do the same thing with every poster on here. The boards would be flooded with people talking with you if people responded to all your posts because you always have to get the last word so people just move on and let you believe everything you read. But to answer you question. Its QB at 1, the a big gap, LT and DE are close then another big gap, then corner.
(12-09-2019, 11:14 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-09-2019, 10:56 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Sometimes it's like talking too a 5 year old or a woman with you, you always have to get the last word. Positional value has been beaten to death many times on this board. Are you new here or did you forget?
I would rate them
1. QB
2. LT
3. DE
4. CB
5. LB/DT/WR
I know plenty of women who have more football intelligence than you. Get a clue.
And are you really going down the road of who the Jags should have picked instead in every draft?
Also, why aren't you starting a "Jags 2015 1st round pick" thread? That seems to have been the wrong pick too.
lol JackCity Jr. I've never understood why you have copied him for years. When he changes his mind you change yours and follow. It's been fun to watch over the years. Kinda like you're his girl or side chick and take up for him. But yeah, you can do it for pretty much every year. I believe Josh Allen was the right pick. When you pick that early you dont just want a good pick you want the right pick. A franchise LT would be nice right now
(12-09-2019, 11:20 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-09-2019, 11:10 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]So you get routinely made a show of by a 5 year old/woman?
I'm well aware of how positional value works, im asking you how you measure the difference. So for instance its obvious that QB trumps all....but how would you measure the value difference between a top 5 DE and a top 5 LT, and conversely, how would you measure the difference between a top 5 LT and a top 5 corner
Lol, too much twitter for you. You do the same thing with every poster on here. The boards would be flooded with people talking with you if people responded to all your posts because you always have to get the last word so people just move on and let you believe everything you read. But to answer you question. Its QB at 1, the a big gap, LT and DE are close then another big gap, then corner.
Nah I've had plenty of good conversations in here with people who's opinions and takes I respect. You don't fall into that category which is why you get called out so much for your bad takes.
Again thats not what i'm asking you...I'm asking you how you measure it, whats the opportunity cost difference for drafting a top 5 corner over a top 5 LT when you have big needs at both?
The answer is......not a lot, which is why contracts between elite tackles and elite corners are very similar.
(12-09-2019, 11:38 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (12-09-2019, 11:20 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Lol, too much twitter for you. You do the same thing with every poster on here. The boards would be flooded with people talking with you if people responded to all your posts because you always have to get the last word so people just move on and let you believe everything you read. But to answer you question. Its QB at 1, the a big gap, LT and DE are close then another big gap, then corner.
Nah I've had plenty of good conversations in here with people who's opinions and takes I respect. You don't fall into that category which is why you get called out so much for your bad takes.
Again thats not what i'm asking you...I'm asking you how you measure it, whats the opportunity cost difference for drafting a top 5 corner over a top 5 LT when you have big needs at both?
The answer is......not a lot, which is why contracts between elite tackles and elite corners are very similar.
Oh I've seen your "good conversations" even when you are wrong a lot of time people just let you have the last word and they move on. Could go for days back and forth with you. You have bad takes all the time but you're a kid on a message board lol, do you really think I care about how you feel or care about my opinions or takes? Only if I could get this kid on a message board to respect my opinion then I could sleep at night. You trip me out son lol
(12-09-2019, 11:38 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (12-09-2019, 11:20 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Lol, too much twitter for you. You do the same thing with every poster on here. The boards would be flooded with people talking with you if people responded to all your posts because you always have to get the last word so people just move on and let you believe everything you read. But to answer you question. Its QB at 1, the a big gap, LT and DE are close then another big gap, then corner.
Nah I've had plenty of good conversations in here with people who's opinions and takes I respect. You don't fall into that category which is why you get called out so much for your bad takes.
Again thats not what i'm asking you...I'm asking you how you measure it, whats the opportunity cost difference for drafting a top 5 corner over a top 5 LT when you have big needs at both?
The answer is......not a lot, which is why contracts between elite tackles and elite corners are very similar.
You measure it by how important each position is to you. I just gave it to you
(12-09-2019, 11:49 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-09-2019, 11:38 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Nah I've had plenty of good conversations in here with people who's opinions and takes I respect. You don't fall into that category which is why you get called out so much for your bad takes.
Again thats not what i'm asking you...I'm asking you how you measure it, whats the opportunity cost difference for drafting a top 5 corner over a top 5 LT when you have big needs at both?
The answer is......not a lot, which is why contracts between elite tackles and elite corners are very similar.
Oh I've seen your "good conversations" even when you are wrong a lot of time people just let you have the last word and they move on. Could go for days back and forth with you. You have bad takes all the time but you're a kid on a message board lol, do you really think I care about how you feel or care about my opinions or takes?
Wise move skipping the part of the post that explains your error.
And no I wouldn't expect you to care, you might want to take into consideration that nobody values your football takes on anything in here however. Which is why we have threads like this laughing at you
What a thread.
Caldwell has had his misses but Ramsey was not one
(12-09-2019, 11:28 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (12-09-2019, 11:14 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I know plenty of women who have more football intelligence than you. Get a clue.
And are you really going down the road of who the Jags should have picked instead in every draft?
Also, why aren't you starting a "Jags 2015 1st round pick" thread? That seems to have been the wrong pick too.
lol JackCity Jr. I've never understood why you have copied him for years. When he changes his mind you change yours and follow. It's been fun to watch over the years. Kinda like you're his girl or side chick and take up for him. But yeah, you can do it for pretty much every year. I believe Josh Allen was the right pick. When you pick that early you dont just want a good pick you want the right pick. A franchise LT would be nice right now
Hahahaha I do agree with him but I'm not copying him. Doesn't take away from the fact that you are on an island all by yourself on this one.
(12-09-2019, 11:49 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]
(12-09-2019, 11:38 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Nah I've had plenty of good conversations in here with people who's opinions and takes I respect. You don't fall into that category which is why you get called out so much for your bad takes.
Again thats not what i'm asking you...I'm asking you how you measure it, whats the opportunity cost difference for drafting a top 5 corner over a top 5 LT when you have big needs at both?
The answer is......not a lot, which is why contracts between elite tackles and elite corners are very similar.
You measure it by how important each position is to you. I just gave it to you
If thats your answer the Jags deemed corner is more important to them.
If we go my method...the Jags still made the right move as there isn't much difference in value.