DT - Brown with the #6 pick and DT - Kinlaw with the 20th pick. (Resign Yan)
It would be like Henderson and Stroud again.
Take a OT/G or LB with round two pick. What say you
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(12-28-2019, 05:17 PM)JAGFAN4EVER! Wrote: [ -> ]DT - Brown with the #6 pick and DT - Kinlaw with the 20th pick. (Resign Yan)
It would be like Henderson and Stroud again.
Take a OT/G or LB with round two pick. What say you
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Realistically Brown at #6 and Kinlaw at #20 would be strong candidates of not only need but best available on the board.
Wouldn't hurt my feelings at all. Still think they would need to add a solid OG or OT and potentially a ILB on the 2nd night as you mentioned.
I would be happy with these results on the opening night of the draft. I would prefer a trade down though with that 20th pick personally.
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A guy who I have watched through out his college because I knew him personally when he played here in Jacksonville at high school is Michael Pinckney MLB out of Miami. He will likely be a 2-3 round day two draft day pick but I would love to see this kid play at home and he would be a welcomed addition to this awful LB group.
(12-28-2019, 05:29 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (12-28-2019, 05:17 PM)JAGFAN4EVER! Wrote: [ -> ]DT - Brown with the #6 pick and DT - Kinlaw with the 20th pick. (Resign Yan)
It would be like Henderson and Stroud again.
Take a OT/G or LB with round two pick. What say you
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Realistically Brown at #6 and Kinlaw at #20 would be strong candidates of not only need but best available on the board.
Wouldn't hurt my feelings at all. Still think they would need to add a solid OG or OT and potentially a ILB on the 2nd night as you mentioned.
I would be happy with these results on the opening night of the draft. I would prefer a trade down though with that 20th pick personally.
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I'd also like a trade down for the 2nd pick in round 1 unless Wirfs, Jackson or Wills are available.
(12-28-2019, 07:24 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-28-2019, 05:29 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Realistically Brown at #6 and Kinlaw at #20 would be strong candidates of not only need but best available on the board.
Wouldn't hurt my feelings at all. Still think they would need to add a solid OG or OT and potentially a ILB on the 2nd night as you mentioned.
I would be happy with these results on the opening night of the draft. I would prefer a trade down though with that 20th pick personally.
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I'd also like a trade down for the 2nd pick in round 1 unless Wirfs, Jackson or Wills are available.
Same. We have a lot of holes to backfill. It's hard to fix all of it in one off season.
But if one of those top three or four tackles slips to 20 you may have to pull the trigger.
In doing so my hope is that they could techincally salvage Robinson by moving him over to Cann's role.
This gives us hopefully more of a mauler and nasty approach on the ground with him inside while also giving a 2nd year Taylor more comfort and relief at RT.
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I like taking Brown at #6 if he's available but with our second pick in the 1st round, I feel like taking another DT would almost be a misjustice for the other massive holes present on this roster. Any position on the OL, LB, CB, etc would most likely yield better results for us to address. Plus another DT for depth could be addressed in the later rounds.
(12-28-2019, 10:40 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]I like taking Brown at #6 if he's available but with our second pick in the 1st round, I feel like taking another DT would almost be a misjustice for the other massive holes present on this roster. Any position on the OL, LB, CB, etc would most likely yield better results for us to address. Plus another DT for depth could be addressed in the later rounds.
I don't know man. Having a front four consisting of Allen, Brown, Kinlaw & hopefully Ngakoue resigned looks pretty damn good on paper.
If Ngakoue walks or is franchise tagged you might see a need to at least compensate his loss with a better interior player.
It's tempting. We do have huge holes to fill though. No way to get around that. But if you have Kinlaw on your board as a top 3 talent at his position and you pass on him for a guard?
I don't know. Tough call there. I think we have a shot at landing Biadasz on the 2nd day early. Could be a potential move to Center with Linder kicked out to guard to replace Cann.
I have similar thoughts with Robinson. Maybe they land a tackle later. That kid from Washington or Auburn could challenge him. This gives you another potential move inside with Robinson also over Cann.
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(12-28-2019, 10:48 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (12-28-2019, 10:40 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]I like taking Brown at #6 if he's available but with our second pick in the 1st round, I feel like taking another DT would almost be a misjustice for the other massive holes present on this roster. Any position on the OL, LB, CB, etc would most likely yield better results for us to address. Plus another DT for depth could be addressed in the later rounds.
I don't know man. Having a front four consisting of Allen, Brown, Kinlaw & hopefully Ngakoue resigned looks pretty damn good on paper.
If Ngakoue walks or is franchise tagged you might see a need to at least compensate his loss with a better interior player.
It's tempting. We do have huge holes to fill though. No way to get around that. But if you have Kinlaw on your board as a top 3 talent at his position and you pass on him for a guard?
I don't know. Tough call there. I think we have a shot at landing Biadasz on the 2nd day early. Could be a potential move to Center with Linder kicked out to guard to replace Cann.
I have similar thoughts with Robinson. Maybe they land a tackle later. That kid from Washington or Auburn could challenge him. This gives you another potential move inside with Robinson also over Cann.
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You make a good point, I would just contend in your scenario by saying if Kinlaw is present with a similarly graded lineman, I feel like trying to boost our OL would be more beneficial both in the short/long term. We need to have a solid OL for our running game/Minshew/Future QB to succeed. Theoretically, players who get chosen in the higher rounds
should pan out as better pro's but we know that is not the case for the most part.
Losing Ngakoue would hurt us severely and it would definitely change my outlook - but as of now, if we hypothetically take Brown at 6, his potential production should allow us to address a glaring hole like OL with a player who
should make more of an impact than one who is drafted in a later round.
Ultimately, you have to weigh the strength of the upcoming class at each position and see if you can nab a player who also meets a need - especially in the later rounds. But this is coming from someone who values BAP with a blend of needs-based-drafting (especially so in the later rounds).
Or Wills Jr at 6 and then Jackson at 20.
Or Simmons at 6 and Moses at 20.
Let's just double down on a need and blow it away.
(12-29-2019, 12:01 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Or Wills Jr at 6 and then Jackson at 20.
Or Simmons at 6 and Moses at 20.
Let's just double down on a need and blow it away.
I don't think Moses or Jackson would even be good first round picks
(12-29-2019, 12:09 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (12-29-2019, 12:01 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Or Wills Jr at 6 and then Jackson at 20.
Or Simmons at 6 and Moses at 20.
Let's just double down on a need and blow it away.
I don't think Moses or Jackson would even be good first round picks
Moses needs to be healthy, and Jackson needs to test as well as he is expected to athletically...but if they do they're both going to rocket up draft lists.
(12-29-2019, 12:22 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (12-29-2019, 12:09 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think Moses or Jackson would even be good first round picks
Moses needs to be healthy, and Jackson needs to test as well as he is expected to athletically...but if they do they're both going to rocket up draft lists.
I dunno Moses tape is filled with holes and even in a sub par class doesn't really stand out as first. It's essentially just Simmons round 1 then guys like Murray and Moses in round 2 or 3 for now.
Moses and Jackson def two players I'll be a lot lower on than consensus
(12-29-2019, 12:01 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Or Wills Jr at 6 and then Jackson at 20.
Or Simmons at 6 and Moses at 20.
Let's just double down on a need and blow it away.
After seeing Jackson get his doors blown off by A.J. Epenesa yesterday, I'm thinking the kid needs to stay in school. That just left a sour taste in my mouth. He played so well all year and in the bowl game he craps the bed. It was bad. Gimme Derrick Brown at #6, Tyler Biadasz at #20 and OT Josh Jones or Trey Adams in round 2.
(12-28-2019, 05:17 PM)JAGFAN4EVER! Wrote: [ -> ]DT - Brown with the #6 pick and DT - Kinlaw with the 20th pick. (Resign Yan)
It would be like Henderson and Stroud again.
Take a OT/G or LB with round two pick. What say you
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I wouldn't complain about that at all.
And if the next two picks are offensive linemen, even better.
That lights out D will be tired af with our 3 and out offense
If this is "let's draft two DTs in the first round because our rush defense sucks" then that's a hard no. That's pretty much what Gene Smith tried to do. All you really have to be is average stopping the run (if that). Other stuff more important.
(12-29-2019, 03:18 PM)VisitingCobra Wrote: [ -> ]If this is "let's draft two DTs in the first round because our rush defense sucks" then that's a hard no. That's pretty much what Gene Smith tried to do. All you really have to be is average stopping the run (if that). Other stuff more important.
That's not the case. Brown and Kinlaw are well rounded. Both of them are considered top 10, 20 overall prospects in next year's draft.
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(12-29-2019, 03:18 PM)VisitingCobra Wrote: [ -> ]If this is "let's draft two DTs in the first round because our rush defense sucks" then that's a hard no. That's pretty much what Gene Smith tried to do. All you really have to be is average stopping the run (if that). Other stuff more important.
What exactly did Gene Smith do again? When we had a dominant Dline (TC picks) Stroud and Henderson the defense could afford the holes we have on the back end.
If we had Yan, Allen, Kinlaw, Brown that type of pressure is elite and dictates games, not just the run game.
We can get a decent OT/G with the second pick as well as the third.
Jags have to build from the inside out.
(12-29-2019, 07:14 PM)JAGFAN4EVER! Wrote: [ -> ]What exactly did Gene Smith do again?
Literally, Gene Smith used his first two picks in 2010 draft on defensive tackles (Tyson Alualu 10th overall, D'Anthony Smith 74th overall). Next two picks were defensive ends (Larry Hart and Austen Lane).
As a precursor was the last game of the 2009 season (Gene Smith's first season as a general manager). It was against the Cleveland Browns and the Jaguars were 7-8 and still in the playoff hunt (needed a win and 4 other teams to lose). The Jagaurs lost the game 17-23 and gave one of the worst performances against the run probably in team history (214 on the ground, 86 in the air). They basically could not stop the run in the second half and the Browns had no real need to throw a pass (only attempting 11 the entire game). This inability to stop the run had been a developing trend.
After the draft, Gene Smith was quoted as saying that game left a very big impression on him:
Quote:"The way we finished the season certainly left a bad taste in our mouths," Smith said in a telephone interview on Tuesday. "I feel what happened in that particular game, Cleveland had tremendous success running the ball against us. Certainly it identified some areas we needed to address in the off-season."
The Jaguars lost their last four games to finish at 7-9.
"I think the Cleveland game was kind of an exclamation point to that last quarter of the season," Smith said. "That certainly stuck with me. I'd like to think it stuck with a lot of our players..
"If we wanted to improve our football team, one of the first things we had to do was get stronger up front. I tried to do that through the last two drafts. I think that toughness of your football team starts up front. And I think winning starts up front."
https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2010/11..._atte.html
And the rest is history.
(12-29-2019, 08:29 PM)VisitingCobra Wrote: [ -> ] (12-29-2019, 07:14 PM)JAGFAN4EVER! Wrote: [ -> ]What exactly did Gene Smith do again?
Literally, Gene Smith used his first two picks in 2010 draft on defensive tackles (Tyson Alualu 10th overall, D'Anthony Smith 74th overall). Next two picks were defensive ends (Larry Hart and Austen Lane).
You are comparing a #10 and a #74 to a #9 (now) and #20. Alualu isn't half of what Brown is and D'Anthony Smith....well you know what I mean.
Solidify the Dline with first two picks and draft OT/G with second rd and third if needed.
Win Win for everyone. Skill players need not to be looked at when we have no Dline or Oline dominance.
Franchise/Sign Yan and restructure Campbell. Abry can walk.
Smoot looks like great depth inside or outside.