Quote:I don't see Lamp lasting to round two.
Around what spot of the draft do you think is the most realistic outcome for F. Lamp's landing point?
If Lamp is gone at # 35, would you be comfortable with the Jaguars taking Dan Feeney in that spot?
Quote:I mean I couldn't justify drafting Howard at #4 either but that's solely because a TE hasn't ever been drafted that early, I still don't like the idea of them drafting Fournette at #4. Tbh I don't really like any of the options at #4 based on what we already have on the team. Only person I could really say is justified at that spot is Jonathan Allen, although I really think Cook is going to be a much better RB overall than Fournette and would rather have Cook at #4 period.
Interestingly, Lions Beat Writer Dave Birkett has the Jaguars taking O.J. Howard with pick # 4. Based on the opinion that he's the better player compared to Leonard Fournette.
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Quote: The strategy you mentioned could pay major dividends for the Jaguars. A huge key though would be getting good enough all around TE play if the position isn't addressed in the top 3 Rounds.
I prefer Bucky Hodges to Jake Butt. I know he's not yet that great of a blocker, but he's got the frame for it... he's just raw as a blocker. At least this year he'll be able to provide a presence in the passing game as he develops blocking. I have no qualms with Jake's skill-set or anything, but I hate the thought of his sitting out his rookie season.
Quote: Around what spot of the draft do you think is the most realistic outcome for F. Lamp's landing point?
If Lamp is gone at # 35, would you be comfortable with the Jaguars taking Dan Feeney in that spot?
I see Lamp going anywhere from #22 to #31. I really don't see the Falcons passing on Lamp unless Barnett or Harris happen to drop that far. Taco falling to the Falcons surprises me, and I can see them taking him too even though they haven't actually brought him in like the other two DEs. If Lamp were to fall I'd do summersaults, but I just don't see him getting that far. I can even see the Browns or 49ers taking Lamp to start out round two should he fall further.
As for Feeney at #35... sign me up.
I also love the idea of Dawkins as well because of his versatility... he can literally play any spot on the OL outside of C. The guy is an incredibly strong run blocker, although I've read he might have issues getting low enough as a G.
Quote:I prefer Bucky Hodges to Jake Butt. I know he's not yet that great of a blocker, but he's got the frame for it... he's just raw as a blocker. At least this year he'll be able to provide a presence in the passing game as he develops blocking. I have no qualms with Jake's skill-set or anything, but I hate the thought of his sitting out his rookie season.
Though Bucky Hodges appears to have more upside than Jake Butt and isn't coming off a torn ACL, my gut feeling is Tom Coughlin is going to pass on Hodges. Hodges might not have the intangibles that Coughlin prefers. If Coughlin wasn't in the organization, I probably would have projected Hodges to the Jaguars in that spot.
Quote:I see Lamp going anywhere from #22 to #31. I really don't see the Falcons passing on Lamp unless Barnett or Harris happen to drop that far. Taco falling to the Falcons surprises me, and I can see them taking him too even though they haven't actually brought him in like the other two DEs. If Lamp were to fall I'd do summersaults, but I just don't see him getting that far. I can even see the Browns or 49ers taking Lamp to start out round two should he fall further.
As for Feeney at #35... sign me up.
I also love the idea of Dawkins as well because of his versatility... he can literally play any spot on the OL outside of C. The guy is an incredibly strong run blocker, although I've read he might have issues getting low enough as a G.
Pre-draft visits are sometimes an indicator of a team's interest in a player. But there are times when a team won't have any contact with a player for months and then end up drafting that player.
I'll be shocked if Derek Barnett lasts to pick # 31.
It wouldn't surprise me if Taco Charlton lasted to the 2nd Round. Until the 2nd half of his senior season, he was a disappointment. Plenty of potential but a significant amount of risk as well.
Quote: Pre-draft visits are sometimes an indicator of a team's interest in a player. But there are times when a team won't have any contact with a player for months and then end up drafting that player.
I'll be shocked if Derek Barnett lasts to pick # 31.
It wouldn't surprise me if Taco Charlton lasted to the 2nd Round. Until the 2nd half of his senior season, he was a disappointment. Plenty of potential but a significant amount of risk as well.
The Falcons need for a RG may be even greater than DE. It's sort of a toss-up, but they've been all over Lamp talking to him several times. They might even take him over Harris, and probably do take him over Taco.
By the way, if you read the edit line below your post you'll notice I made an edit to your mock draft.
Two and three be nice. First round be a waste of pick. Just for the simple fact. Ya take the Combine stuff away. And ya base it on his moves and vision and ball security. And our current o line. And then tell me honestly he fits and should receive top 5 money.
But great draft regardless. And would love it and hope we can figure a way to take advantage of Fournette skill set. With out following the same steps that failed before with Ivory.
Quote: Though Bucky Hodges appears to have more upside than Jake Butt and isn't coming off a torn ACL, my gut feeling is Tom Coughlin is going to pass on Hodges. Hodges might not have the intangibles that Coughlin prefers. If Coughlin wasn't in the organization, I probably would have projected Hodges to the Jaguars in that spot.
Interesting take, although I think Coughlin's presence actually helps Hodges. One thing that's always attracted TC are combine numbers that stand out, and Bucky has that.
In that scenario, I could see the Jags trading back into the 1st with Dallas to select Lamp at #28. Even if Miami and Seattle passed on Lamp, I can't see him getting past Green Bay or Atlanta.
Quote:Interesting take, although I think Coughlin's presence actually helps Hodges. One thing that's always attracted TC are combine numbers that stand out, and Bucky has that.
A classic case of the unstoppable force meeting an immovable object!
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Quote:The Falcons need for a RG may be even greater than DE. It's sort of a toss-up, but they've been all over Lamp talking to him several times. They might even take him over Harris, and probably do take him over Taco.
By the way, if you read the edit line below your post you'll notice I made an edit to your mock draft.
Thanks for catching the error. Last year, I made an even greater error in giving a player to 2 different teams..
As for the Falcons, their decision could easily come down to 2 factors:
1, Which available player they rate the highest.
2. What do they think will be their realistic options near the end of Round 2.
Quote:Two and three be nice. First round be a waste of pick. Just for the simple fact. Ya take the Combine stuff away. And ya base it on his moves and vision and ball security. And our current o line. And then tell me honestly he fits and should receive top 5 money.
But great draft regardless. And would love it and hope we can figure a way to take advantage of Fournette skill set. With out following the same steps that failed before with Ivory.
I'll be surprised if the Jaguars don't take a RB in the top 3 Rounds of the draft. It's possible that the team brass believe there's better value at # 4 at another position and that it makes more sense to take a RB in the 2nd or 3rd Round. But it gets back to can the Jaguars get enough value at # 4 by targeting a player at another position, based on the team's current roster?
Quote:In that scenario, I could see the Jags trading back into the 1st with Dallas to select Lamp at #28. Even if Miami and Seattle passed on Lamp, I can't see him getting past Green Bay or Atlanta.
This helps illustrate why a draft is difficult to predict. The 4 teams you mentioned can all use Forrest Lamp. However, they all have other needs they need to address.
In the case of Seattle for instance, would they feel comfortable passing up on a CB like Kevin King, who has the type of skill set that they look for at the CB position?
Green Bay has needs on all 3 levels of their Defense. They have a history under Ted Thompson of finding quality starting Offensive Lineman in the middle rounds.
Quote: Around what spot of the draft do you think is the most realistic outcome for F. Lamp's landing point?
If Lamp is gone at # 35, would you be comfortable with the Jaguars taking Dan Feeney in that spot?
I think in the first round. Baltimore, Denver, Miami, Seattle all make sense.
I heard a few people talking Butt may fall to round 4. Love the draft, all the pro draft analysis and all us fans making all these projections and we still end up surprised on who drops and rises!
Quote:I think in the first round. Baltimore, Denver, Miami, Seattle all make sense.
Of the 4 teams, Miami is the one that I think will have the most interest in Forrest Lamp. But barring trades, I think the team that has the greatest chance of selecting him in Round 1 is Atlanta.
Quote:I heard a few people talking Butt may fall to round 4. Love the draft, all the pro draft analysis and all us fans making all these projections and we still end up surprised on who drops and rises!
The speculation and surprises certainly adds to my enjoyment.
Because of the knee injury, it wouldn't be surprising if Jake Butt lasted to Round 4. If the Jaguars pass on him, a team with more than one 3rd Round selection could be very tempted to take him in that round.