(01-20-2020, 06:25 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (01-20-2020, 12:47 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]![[Image: giphy.gif]](https://media2.giphy.com/media/7XoTE46IZsSY0GVlxZ/giphy.gif)
But you still clicked on it.... Hmmmmmm
Yep. Just so I could throw shade about someone starting another thread about a topic being talked about in other threads ad nauseam.
Guessing you love to whine and cry about the firings (and non firings) of coaches over and over and need a fresh new thread at the top of the board so you don't have to work too hard (or read to much, I know reading is hard)
Carry on.
Must be a position coach from the Chiefs/49ers game they're waiting on.
(01-22-2020, 09:37 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ] (01-21-2020, 11:51 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ]Must be a position coach from the Chiefs/49ers game they're waiting on.
They’re not firing Wash.
Saw some sort of mention somewhere that Wash actually is "Assistant HC" now... not sure if that holds any water
But if so... lulz
(01-22-2020, 10:27 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2020, 09:37 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]They’re not firing Wash.
Saw some sort of mention somewhere that Wash actually is "Assistant HC" now... not sure if that holds any water
But if so... lulz
That was a joke tweet that got tossed around and, as usual in Jags twitter, some folks took it seriously.
Cuz Jags. Khan is making lateral moves and Jags fans are lapping it up.
Hes staying isn't he. Somehow he is surviving.
And all my anger at him is directed at his ridiculous goatee beard.
Did the Panthers not admit they ran one play repeatedly against Todd Wash’s defense? Is that not damning enough?
(01-22-2020, 12:44 PM)Shoelace711 Wrote: [ -> ]Did the Panthers not admit they ran one play repeatedly against Todd Wash’s defense? Is that not damning enough?
Several teams did this. And they don't need to admit it for it to be apparent.
The problem is - most of these repeatedly called plays were runs that took advantage of poor diagnosis and execution from DTs and LBs.
Thus giving Wash some degree of escape from blame.
I'm no Wash fan, but there is some merit to the argument, unfortunately.
How many different ways can you explain to your interior linemen and linebackers not to cheat out of position due to pre-snap motion and misdirection? You could literally see Wash on the sideline chewing these players out for doing this at times. Combine that with the injury loss of your best interior lineman, and eventually
all of your linebackers, and it's no mystery at all why Wash has dodged enough blame to stick around.
(01-22-2020, 01:00 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2020, 12:44 PM)Shoelace711 Wrote: [ -> ]Did the Panthers not admit they ran one play repeatedly against Todd Wash’s defense? Is that not damning enough?
Several teams did this. And they don't need to admit it for it to be apparent.
The problem is - most of these repeatedly called plays were runs that took advantage of poor diagnosis and execution from DTs and LBs.
Thus giving Wash some degree of escape from blame.
I'm no Wash fan, but there is some merit to the argument, unfortunately.
How many different ways can you explain to your interior linemen and linebackers not to cheat out of position due to pre-snap motion and misdirection? You could literally see Wash on the sideline chewing these players out for doing this at times. Combine that with the injury loss of your best interior lineman, and eventually all of your linebackers, and it's no mystery at all why Wash has dodged enough blame to stick around.
You'd think that would just illustrate to the HC how poor of a teacher he is
(01-22-2020, 01:16 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2020, 01:00 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Several teams did this. And they don't need to admit it for it to be apparent.
The problem is - most of these repeatedly called plays were runs that took advantage of poor diagnosis and execution from DTs and LBs.
Thus giving Wash some degree of escape from blame.
I'm no Wash fan, but there is some merit to the argument, unfortunately.
How many different ways can you explain to your interior linemen and linebackers not to cheat out of position due to pre-snap motion and misdirection? You could literally see Wash on the sideline chewing these players out for doing this at times. Combine that with the injury loss of your best interior lineman, and eventually all of your linebackers, and it's no mystery at all why Wash has dodged enough blame to stick around.
You'd think that would just illustrate to the HC how poor of a teacher he is
I don't disagree, but sometimes bad execution is just bad execution on the player's behalf.
I think we all agree at this point that a significant portion of this issue should point toward the coordinator's shortcomings.
Somehow, Marrone doesn't see it that way.
(01-22-2020, 01:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2020, 01:16 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]You'd think that would just illustrate to the HC how poor of a teacher he is
I don't disagree, but sometimes bad execution is just bad execution on the player's behalf.
I think we all agree at this point that a significant portion of this issue should point toward the coordinator's shortcomings.
Somehow, Marrone doesn't see it that way.
I will say to Todd Washs credit last year was the most adventurous defense we've seen from him in terms of blitzing and mixing up the front.
I guess if you are looking for a silver lining he's still a relatively new DC and perhaps has some growth left
We can't have nice things. Retaining the guy will be the lesser of our issues. Until things change they stay the same. This team is not well run. I guess 2020 is the year of confirmation that even bad takes are spot on for the bad FO, Coaches and Player Development.
(01-22-2020, 01:36 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2020, 01:33 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I don't disagree, but sometimes bad execution is just bad execution on the player's behalf.
I think we all agree at this point that a significant portion of this issue should point toward the coordinator's shortcomings.
Somehow, Marrone doesn't see it that way.
I will say to Todd Washs credit last year was the most adventurous defense we've seen from him in terms of blitzing and mixing up the front.
I guess if you are looking for a silver lining he's still a relatively new DC and perhaps has some growth left
He stepped up the blitz aggression and split edge rushers wide more often for sure.
Now - can he apply that concept to his secondary back seven?
I sometimes feel like the zone issues are twofold. Wash isn't coaching it well and he's being saddled with players that are better at man coverage and struggle playing zone.
(of course his tendency to back off when up on the scoreboard just needs to end forever LOL)
(01-22-2020, 02:16 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2020, 01:36 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I will say to Todd Washs credit last year was the most adventurous defense we've seen from him in terms of blitzing and mixing up the front.
I guess if you are looking for a silver lining he's still a relatively new DC and perhaps has some growth left
He stepped up the blitz aggression and split edge rushers wide more often for sure.
Now - can he apply that concept to his secondary back seven?
I sometimes feel like the zone issues are twofold. Wash isn't coaching it well and he's being saddled with players that are better at man coverage and struggle playing zone.
(of course his tendency to back off when up on the scoreboard just needs to end forever LOL)
A lot more standup looks from Allen and Yannick too.
Dunno if you saw on twitter but I called for them to force Wash to either hire or promote someone into a passing game coordinator role. Let someone else draw up coverage and pair it to the front 7..wash can still call the plays but let someone else take on that on.
Also yes that particular traits is one of the infuriating things about him.
(01-22-2020, 02:16 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2020, 01:36 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]I will say to Todd Washs credit last year was the most adventurous defense we've seen from him in terms of blitzing and mixing up the front.
I guess if you are looking for a silver lining he's still a relatively new DC and perhaps has some growth left
He stepped up the blitz aggression and split edge rushers wide more often for sure.
Now - can he apply that concept to his secondary back seven?
I sometimes feel like the zone issues are twofold. Wash isn't coaching it well and he's being saddled with players that are better at man coverage and struggle playing zone.
(of course his tendency to back off when up on the scoreboard just needs to end forever LOL)
Was that Wash or Capers who came up with the more blitz aggression and such??
(01-22-2020, 03:00 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2020, 02:16 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]He stepped up the blitz aggression and split edge rushers wide more often for sure.
Now - can he apply that concept to his secondary back seven?
I sometimes feel like the zone issues are twofold. Wash isn't coaching it well and he's being saddled with players that are better at man coverage and struggle playing zone.
(of course his tendency to back off when up on the scoreboard just needs to end forever LOL)
Was that Wash or Capers who came up with the more blitz aggression and such??
Wash remained the DC and called the plays at his leisure. Capers was more a pair of eyes and ears for Tom but I'm sure he helped with install and drawing some of them too.
We actually saw pretty creative blitzs with Wash in years past we just never needed them
(01-21-2020, 10:24 AM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ] (01-20-2020, 06:25 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]But you still clicked on it.... Hmmmmmm
Yep. Just so I could throw shade about someone starting another thread about a topic being talked about in other threads ad nauseam.
Guessing you love to whine and cry about the firings (and non firings) of coaches over and over and need a fresh new thread at the top of the board so you don't have to work too hard (or read to much, I know reading is hard)
Carry on.
Man just shut up. You knew what the thread was about but you still came in here to complain about me complaining. I guess one is born every minute.
(01-21-2020, 11:51 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ]Must be a position coach from the Chiefs/49ers game they're waiting on.
That would be fantastic news.
(01-22-2020, 12:44 PM)Shoelace711 Wrote: [ -> ]Did the Panthers not admit they ran one play repeatedly against Todd Wash’s defense? Is that not damning enough?
Bingo, on top of the defense being undisciplined and unprepared almost weekly.
(01-22-2020, 03:00 PM)JAGFAN88 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-22-2020, 02:16 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]He stepped up the blitz aggression and split edge rushers wide more often for sure.
Now - can he apply that concept to his secondary back seven?
I sometimes feel like the zone issues are twofold. Wash isn't coaching it well and he's being saddled with players that are better at man coverage and struggle playing zone.
(of course his tendency to back off when up on the scoreboard just needs to end forever LOL)
Was that Wash or Capers who came up with the more blitz aggression and such??
Capers was the blitz specialist.