DogCatcher, the armchair GM's pro-personnel plan...
Offense:
Keep Foles. He's not worth squat this year on the trade market based on his cap figure, and especially with Brady, Rivers, Winston, etc. available. Minshew might go down for a stretch, so Foles will be a capable, potentially streaky backup. The combined cap figure for both QBs is equivalent to one top-10 starter. Having two mid-tier starters for that price is not a bad deal.
Cut Lee, Swaim. Don't exercise Fournette's option.
Sign another interior lineman - either a Center to move Linder back to guard -- or to compete at RG with Cann/Richardson (or Cam if a LT is drafted)
Sign a veteran tight end, like Ebron (boom/bust) or trade a 5th for the Browns TE. Probably can't afford Hooper.
Draft a LT in the first and take a flyer on a WR prospect in the 3rd-5th
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Defense:
Cut Dareus and Bouye.
Draft Brown or Kinslow with the first pick. Sign a veteran run-stuffer, even if he offers little pass-rush value. Play "game theory" defense -- have the ammo to stop the run if a team starts gashing in the run game but don't overdo it. You just need a couple big bodies for games against the Titans, 49ers, and Ravens.
If Yan wants north of $22 million/year, franchise and trade him, then draft his potential replacement and supplement with a pass-rush specialist FA (a third-down guy, like the aging Orakpo on a one-year deal).
Extend Campbell to bring down his cap figure. If he won't budge, cut him and make a strong bid for the 49ers' Armstead (a younger poor man's version of Campbell with a smaller cap figure)
Sign a veteran middle linebacker, even if he's just a thumper.
Draft a corner to replace Bouye in the 2nd round. Sign a veteran for depth (like Amakamura or Chris Harris if his market deflates on him)
Draft a safety in the mid rounds to compete with Wilson.
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Someone get this championship recipe to Dave Caldwell asap.
(02-22-2020, 07:17 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]Makes sense.
Thank you for fully endorsing my platform. You probably are asking why I never caught on as an NFL scout based on my devastating analytical talent, which you well noted, but I lack the work ethic and I never played football. I was a frail Nancyboy. My lethal weapon is my mind.
I have a couple of questions.
1) Who is Kinslow?
2) You want to draft a LT in the first, draft Brown or "Kinslow" in the first, draft a corner in the 2nd, and draft Yan's potential replacement. Are you thinking you would find Yan's potential replacement in the 3rd round?
(02-23-2020, 12:19 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (02-22-2020, 07:17 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]Makes sense.
Thank you for fully endorsing my platform. You probably are asking why I never caught on as an NFL scout based on my devastating analytical talent, which you well noted, but I lack the work ethic and I never played football. I was a frail Nancyboy. My lethal weapon is my mind.
Join the crowd! Although to be honest, my own particular superpower would be ownership and I'd leave details such as you discussed to underlings and concentrate on contemplating my vast wealth.
(02-23-2020, 06:20 AM)HThe Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I have a couple of questions.
1) Who is Kinslow?
You know - Javon K (googling proper spellings is work)
2) You want to draft a LT in the first, draft Brown or "Kinslow" in the first, draft a corner in the 2nd, and draft Yan's potential replacement. Are you thinking you would find Yan's potential replacement in the 3rd round?
Ideally, draft DT and LT in first. Hopefully pick up a 1st or a few extra picks by trading Yan. You can’t really expect to replace him but you can take a swing or two at other pass rushers and sign a vet pass rush specialist to ensure pressure if Allen is doubled. Allen is really his immediate replacement (and maybe even an upgrade since he can hold up against the run better).
(02-23-2020, 09:19 AM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-23-2020, 12:19 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]Thank you for fully endorsing my platform. You probably are asking why I never caught on as an NFL scout based on my devastating analytical talent, which you well noted, but I lack the work ethic and I never played football. I was a frail Nancyboy. My lethal weapon is my mind.
Join the crowd! Although to be honest, my own particular superpower would be ownership and I'd leave details such as you discussed to underlings and concentrate on contemplating my vast wealth.
I'm gonna sit over here and contemplate the dames that are busy contemplating your wealth. If that's ok by you...
I disagree with this. Most of the offensive side is cool but I dont think we should draft an LT in the first, everytime we do this it never plays out right.
I also think we should keep Fournette, he is producing...had a great season last year. You give him a good deal, nothing to crazy. We just keep making it seem like every player is so easy to replace. Who was the last good RB we had, that was really producing on the field...was it MJD?
We are solid at RB, lets fix the positions that we are weak at..Work out a deal with 4nette guaranteed for 3 years, make the deal to where if we have to let him go after that its not that much of a loss. We also forget about the team chemistry, it takes a while for players to come together.
I agree we should take Mims in the 3rd as WR
Pickup a mid tier OT free agent or maybe 2nd round if we can land a good one
Also see if we can find decent veteran TE, O'shaughnessy is a solid player, the two veterans can help Oliver improve his game.
On the D side we can cut Dareus unless he is willing to restructure and go after Snacks Harrison either way.
Draft Simmons, Kinlaw or Brown with the 1st and go after the best available DB with our 2nd 1st.
Keep Bouye and Yan, they are both producing! Again stop getting rid of players who are producing, it just makes us get weak and have to use draft picks to get the same or less production. When was the last really good CB we've had or really good DE we've had? I think some of ya'll do things just to make transactions because there is nothing else to do.
We def keep Campbell, it would make no sense to get rid of our team leader that is producing at a pro bowl level, he is one of the reasons we had that 2017 season, let him retire here as long as he is producing.
Pickup Tony Jefferson for our safety position and some veteran leadership.
Add another LB, maybe a veteran free agent draft another CB later on and BAP in the draft
If we follow this plan, we will def compete next year
My bad missed that you said frugal, not sure how frugal my plan would be
(02-23-2020, 11:24 AM)D-Money Wrote: [ -> ]I disagree with this. Most of the offensive side is cool but I dont think we should draft an LT in the first, everytime we do this it never plays out right.
Man, you're just wrong from the very first sentence. The best Jaguar ever was an LT drafted in the 1st round. Monroe was fine. Joke was joke. As Meatloaf crooned, 2 outta 3 ain't bad.
(02-23-2020, 11:29 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (02-23-2020, 11:24 AM)D-Money Wrote: [ -> ]I disagree with this. Most of the offensive side is cool but I dont think we should draft an LT in the first, everytime we do this it never plays out right.
Man, you're just wrong from the very first sentence. The best Jaguar ever was an LT drafted in the 1st round. Monroe was fine. Joke was joke. As Meatloaf crooned, 2 outta 3 ain't bad.
I give you Tony he was one of the best Jags ever. But that was over 20 years ago, Monroe was decent and during his years here alot of people did not feel his play was worth the 1st round pick. And if he was so good why would trade him for just and 4th and 5th? Joke was terrible.
(02-23-2020, 12:22 PM)D-Money Wrote: [ -> ] (02-23-2020, 11:29 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Man, you're just wrong from the very first sentence. The best Jaguar ever was an LT drafted in the 1st round. Monroe was fine. Joke was joke. As Meatloaf crooned, 2 outta 3 ain't bad.
I give you Tony he was one of the best Jags ever. But that was over 20 years ago, Monroe was decent and during his years here alot of people did not feel his play was worth the 1st round pick. And if he was so good why would trade him for just and 4th and 5th? Joke was terrible.
A lot of people aren't very smart. Monroe was a fine left tackle who played very well for 4 and half seasons. He was traded because he was in the last year of his rookie deal and the FO had already brought in Joke and wanted more picks. He was just part of the house cleaning, other teams knew it, and we still go a decent deal for him. Maybe they were on to something with Monroe since he really started racking up the injuries once he got to Baltimore. In any case, every fan of this team ought to be ecstatic if we can get a left tackle of his caliber in this draft, it would help out the entire offense and GM15 in particular.
(02-23-2020, 11:35 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (02-23-2020, 12:22 PM)D-Money Wrote: [ -> ]I give you Tony he was one of the best Jags ever. But that was over 20 years ago, Monroe was decent and during his years here alot of people did not feel his play was worth the 1st round pick. And if he was so good why would trade him for just and 4th and 5th? Joke was terrible.
A lot of people aren't very smart. Monroe was a fine left tackle who played very well for 4 and half seasons. He was traded because he was in the last year of his rookie deal and the FO had already brought in Joke and wanted more picks. He was just part of the house cleaning, other teams knew it, and we still go a decent deal for him. Maybe they were on to something with Monroe since he really started racking up the injuries once he got to Baltimore. In any case, every fan of this team ought to be ecstatic if we can get a left tackle of his caliber in this draft, it would help out the entire offense and GM15 in particular.
I hear what you are saying but do you feel that Monroe was worth a 1st round pick? If so why would the Jaguars pick Luke Joke if the position was already solidified. I guess it would be bad front office even then because if you have a 1st round OT that is performing up to standards, you don't go and pick someone in the same position, the smart thing would have been to trade back and gain more picks that way. Keep the players that we draft and are producing (which we are still not doing) instead of using them on rookie deals and try to get rid of them before we have to pay them, it wasn't working then and it still is not working. Doing that would allow us to solidify the other positions we were weak at
Overall I'm saying neither Monroe nor Luke Joke worked out and gave us the production that we got from Boselli. When we are weak at the a lot of other positions, I don't think the risk would be worth it this year
(02-24-2020, 10:07 AM)D-Money Wrote: [ -> ] (02-23-2020, 11:35 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]A lot of people aren't very smart. Monroe was a fine left tackle who played very well for 4 and half seasons. He was traded because he was in the last year of his rookie deal and the FO had already brought in Joke and wanted more picks. He was just part of the house cleaning, other teams knew it, and we still go a decent deal for him. Maybe they were on to something with Monroe since he really started racking up the injuries once he got to Baltimore. In any case, every fan of this team ought to be ecstatic if we can get a left tackle of his caliber in this draft, it would help out the entire offense and GM15 in particular.
I hear what you are saying but do you feel that Monroe was worth a 1st round pick? If so why would the Jaguars pick Luke Joke if the position was already solidified. I guess it would be bad front office even then because if you have a 1st round OT that is performing up to standards, you don't go and pick someone in the same position, the smart thing would have been to trade back and gain more picks that way. Keep the players that we draft and are producing (which we are still not doing) instead of using them on rookie deals and try to get rid of them before we have to pay them, it wasn't working then and it still is not working. Doing that would allow us to solidify the other positions we were weak at
Overall I'm saying neither Monroe nor Luke Joke worked out and gave us the production that we got from Boselli. When we are weak at the a lot of other positions, I don't think the risk would be worth it this year
Yes, Monroe was worth the pick, the idea that he had to measure up against an all time great isn't realistic. He was an upper echelon left tackle for a few years and we haven't been able to replace him in four seasons of trying. For whatever reason the FO wanted a clean sweep of the Gene Smith Error and got rid of the productive players along with the chaff (see also Smith, Daryl). As a reminder, the Joke pick was widely applauded for the value of getting the next Joe Thomas-caliber guy to play Right Tackle (see
BCC Article), though they never really tried to make that work. I still think that they didn't see Monroe as a good fit for the style they wanted to play, too much finesse and not enough power. As a result we ended up with a bad player pushing a good player off the team. Joke was a bust, but the team is still batting .666 on 1st round left tackles. Of course each one was selected by a different GM, so Caldwell is technically Oh for One, but there's no way to justify your statement that "every time we do this it never plays out right." If the best player on the board at #9 is a left tackle then by all means they should take him.
(02-22-2020, 06:54 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]DogCatcher, the armchair GM's pro-personnel plan...
Offense:
Keep Foles. He's not worth squat this year on the trade market based on his cap figure, and especially with Brady, Rivers, Winston, etc. available. Minshew might go down for a stretch, so Foles will be a capable, potentially streaky backup. The combined cap figure for both QBs is equivalent to one top-10 starter. Having two mid-tier starters for that price is not a bad deal.
Cut Lee, Swaim. Don't exercise Fournette's option.
Sign another interior lineman - either a Center to move Linder back to guard -- or to compete at RG with Cann/Richardson (or Cam if a LT is drafted)
Sign a veteran tight end, like Ebron (boom/bust) or trade a 5th for the Browns TE. Probably can't afford Hooper.
Draft a LT in the first and take a flyer on a WR prospect in the 3rd-5th
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Defense:
Cut Dareus and Bouye.
Draft Brown or Kinslow with the first pick. Sign a veteran run-stuffer, even if he offers little pass-rush value. Play "game theory" defense -- have the ammo to stop the run if a team starts gashing in the run game but don't overdo it. You just need a couple big bodies for games against the Titans, 49ers, and Ravens.
If Yan wants north of $22 million/year, franchise and trade him, then draft his potential replacement and supplement with a pass-rush specialist FA (a third-down guy, like the aging Orakpo on a one-year deal).
Extend Campbell to bring down his cap figure. If he won't budge, cut him and make a strong bid for the 49ers' Armstead (a younger poor man's version of Campbell with a smaller cap figure)
Sign a veteran middle linebacker, even if he's just a thumper.
Draft a corner to replace Bouye in the 2nd round. Sign a veteran for depth (like Amakamura or Chris Harris if his market deflates on him)
Draft a safety in the mid rounds to compete with Wilson.
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Someone get this championship recipe to Dave Caldwell asap.
My only heartburn is over Bouye getting cut, but as long as that is the bottom of the priorities listed, I will vote for you to be our next GM if they allow me a vote this time.
(02-24-2020, 11:16 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (02-24-2020, 10:07 AM)D-Money Wrote: [ -> ]I hear what you are saying but do you feel that Monroe was worth a 1st round pick? If so why would the Jaguars pick Luke Joke if the position was already solidified. I guess it would be bad front office even then because if you have a 1st round OT that is performing up to standards, you don't go and pick someone in the same position, the smart thing would have been to trade back and gain more picks that way. Keep the players that we draft and are producing (which we are still not doing) instead of using them on rookie deals and try to get rid of them before we have to pay them, it wasn't working then and it still is not working. Doing that would allow us to solidify the other positions we were weak at
Overall I'm saying neither Monroe nor Luke Joke worked out and gave us the production that we got from Boselli. When we are weak at the a lot of other positions, I don't think the risk would be worth it this year
Yes, Monroe was worth the pick, the idea that he had to measure up against an all time great isn't realistic. He was an upper echelon left tackle for a few years and we haven't been able to replace him in four seasons of trying. For whatever reason the FO wanted a clean sweep of the Gene Smith Error and got rid of the productive players along with the chaff (see also Smith, Daryl). As a reminder, the Joke pick was widely applauded for the value of getting the next Joe Thomas-caliber guy to play Right Tackle (see BCC Article), though they never really tried to make that work. I still think that they didn't see Monroe as a good fit for the style they wanted to play, too much finesse and not enough power. As a result we ended up with a bad player pushing a good player off the team. Joke was a bust, but the team is still batting .666 on 1st round left tackles. Of course each one was selected by a different GM, so Caldwell is technically Oh for One, but there's no way to justify your statement that "every time we do this it never plays out right." If the best player on the board at #9 is a left tackle then by all means they should take him.
I hear what you are saying but Daryl Smith was old, was still a terrible decision to let him go but I figured that would be the reason for that. I just feel like if the production was really that good for Monroe, they would tried to resign him or try get something more for him. He may have played well but I like the overall feeling was that he wasn't worth where he was picked based on what we got.
With Ramsey, even tho he left we know he was 100% worth where he was picked. You see the difference between the 2, one is for sure one is questionable.
Aside from all that it comes down to me saying, that this year based on all of the weak points on our team it wouldn't make sense when we have a better chance of shoring up another position because of the talent available and based on us not being able to make good picks on offensive linemen overall. Even in the 2nd and 3rd rounds, it would be better for us to go for a different position