I agree with the OP. I believe there are many pass rushers in this class that can be had later in the draft that will turn out to be studs. I don't believe Garrett has separated himself from the rest of the pack. He's just a good pass rusher in a class with many good pass rushers.
Keep in mine he has been injured all year long.
Quote:Keep in mine he has been injured all year long.
It's not really about that. He's really inconsistent. Last season he would compile multiple sacks in a game and then disappear for a game or two and do it all over. Even this season, 4.5 of his sacks came in one game. I prefer pass rushers who show a bit more consistency from week to week.
Quote:It's not really about that. He's really inconsistent. Last season he would compile multiple sacks in a game and then disappear for a game or two and do it all over. Even this season, 4.5 of his sacks came in one game. I prefer pass rushers who show a bit more consistency from week to week.
It's not all just about "sacks", sacks tend to come in bunches for good pass rushers, Myles Garrett is a good pass rusher with tons of upside. The stat I pay attention to is hurries, how often is a pass rusher "effecting" the QB, hurries ultimately lead to sacks, hurries also lead to turnovers. Myles Garrett is easily a top 3 pick in this draft, the sentiment of him being "overrated" is laughable
Quote:It's not all just about "sacks", sacks tend to come in bunches for good pass rushers, Myles Garrett is a good pass rusher with tons of upside. The stat I pay attention to is hurries, how often is a pass rusher "effecting" the QB, hurries ultimately lead to sacks, hurries also lead to turnovers. Myles Garrett is easily a top 3 pick in this draft, the sentiment of him being "overrated" is laughable
I don't pay attention to hurries at all, because the great QB's can sense the pass rush coming and if you chase them out of the pocket, they are sometimes better when throwing on the run and taking less time to scan the field. It's all about the QB's instincts. The one way to affect all QB's is by either sacking him or hitting him enough that you wear him down. Hurries mean nothing in my book.
Quote:I don't pay attention to hurries at all, because the great QB's can sense the pass rush coming and if you chase them out of the pocket, they are sometimes better when throwing on the run and taking less time to scan the field. It's all about the QB's instincts. The one way to affect all QB's is by either sacking him or hitting him enough that you wear him down. Hurries mean nothing in my book.
Disruption is production
Quote:Disruption is production
I disagree.
Sacks are subsets of hurries. You dont usually see someone with lots of sacks and few hurries.
Quote:I disagree.
Last year's Super Bowl champions say otherwise.
Quote:I disagree.
ask any QB
this fella said disruption doesnt mean anything lol
Quote:I'll make my claim now, come at me. But I think by the time draft szn roles around you will be hearing this a lot from the NFL scouts. Draft twitter and the online draftniks will like Garrett a lot more than the NFL, imo. To me he is another Joey Bosa. He will be a fine pass rusher in the NFL and a good player but he is not the second coming of Demarcus Ware or Von Miller. He is slow and while he can bend it's not like Miller and Ware. He is more like Bosa than those two to me. He really beats guys with raw power and while he's fast off the edge it's not blinding speed. In high school he ran the 40 in a whopping 5.08 second. That is slow as hell for an edge rusher especially considering he was about 40 pounds lighter than he is now. I do think he will run faster at the combine but it will be like 4.8 at best. That is Bosa/Spence type speed, not Miller/Ware. Obviously Bosa went third overall so this won't necessarily affect his draft stock, but all the hype about him being a number 1 overall type player I think is wrong.
This being the case, I don't think there is any player worth tanking the season for in this draft, although there are a lot of good players. Unfortunately with Gus Bus at the helm we are guaranteed another top 5 pick so it will be interesting to see what we do with it.
Bosa seems pretty good.....
Quote:Boss seems pretty good.....
Not to mention Bosa is a great athlete in the drills that matter for his position. He dominated 3 cone, broad jump, and the shuttle.
Couldn't give two craps about a DE 40 time yet that's all OP mentioned in his case to try to denigrate Bosa and Garrett.
Quote:Last year's Super Bowl champions say otherwise.
Denver's Superbowl defense had nothing to do with hurries. It had everything to do with compiling 52 sacks, 21 fumble recoveries, 14 interceptions and 5 defensive touchdowns.
It actually did. Making the QB antsy by repeatedly hitting/forcing them out of the pocket will go a long way in compiling those kinds of numbers. You're basically calling a fundamental part of playing defense irrelevant. :/
Quote:You're basically calling a fundamental part of playing defense irrelevant. :/
Quote:It actually did. Making the QB antsy by repeatedly hitting/forcing them out of the pocket will go a long way in compiling those kinds of numbers. You're basically calling a fundamental part of playing defense irrelevant. :/
QB hurries and QB hits are two entirely different things. Yes, as I said, QB hits do effect the QB. Getting knocked down constantly will take a toll on his body, but just forcing him out of the pocket by hurrying them, does little to the more instinctive, athletic QB's who can throw on the run.
... which is why they go hand-in-hand. What Denver did against Brady and Cam last year in the playoffs/SB is a perfect example of it. The level of obtuse you need to be to disregard this is astounding.
Quote:... which is why they go hand-in-hand. What Denver did against Brady and Cam last year in the playoffs/SB is a perfect example of it. The level of obtuse you need to be to disregard this is astounding.
They don't go hand in hand at all. Hits and hurries are like apples and park benches. They have nothing in common. You knock down the QB on a hit and you don't lay a finger on him with a hurry.
Pressures forces the QB to get rid of the ball quicker than they want to, how is that not productive?
Garrett was getting triple teamed and game-planned against like Clowney was in college. Best pass-rusher I've seen since Clowney and Mack, sign me up for him.