(03-11-2020, 06:48 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2020, 03:32 PM)JagJohn Wrote: [ -> ]It just doesn't work because he's literally not comparing apples to apples. If the intention is to make a good meal, and he comes back with a rake, then they have completely different objectives.
A better metaphor would be the wife (the coach in this metaphor) sends him (the GM) with a shopping list and a budget. They both have the same objective: make a good meal (team). The wife wants to make a roast chicken, so everything on the shopping list is for that. However, at the store, the husband sees that the last good chickens have just been bought by someone else, and the only ones left are small and don't look so great. So, knowing there is more than one way to make a good meal, he instead uses his budget on the steak that has just been put on offer. Maybe the wife would have preferred chicken, but, unless she's completely irrational, she would understand you can't make a good meal if you don't have good ingredients, and you can just as easily put together a great meal with other ingredients as long as they are good.
Mmmmm steak.
Which comes back to another problem the Jaguars have, their wife (coach) only knows how to cook chicken (run one scheme). When you're hiring coaches that don't understand how to fit scheme to player and only know how to run one scheme it's very difficult for a GM to be successful, because even if he takes talented players a bad coach wastes that talent.
Yeah, and for example you could give our wife (coaches) a potato, and she's just gonna boil it and put it on the table. Whereas other wives (coaches) might actually prepare that potato well and turn it into something delicious that actually contributes to the meal.
I love a metaphor I do.
(03-11-2020, 05:27 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Also Tony Khan hasn't been anywhere near as big a part of the draft system as you imply. Most of his contributions came in day 3 and udfa.
Yep on the Le Batard podcast not long ago Tony said the only thing that Dave has let him touch is UDFA. He is real proud of finding Herndon, Jarrod Wilson, and Corey Grant.
(03-11-2020, 07:54 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2020, 05:27 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]Also Tony Khan hasn't been anywhere near as big a part of the draft system as you imply. Most of his contributions came in day 3 and udfa.
Yep on the Le Batard podcast not long ago Tony said the only thing that Dave has let him touch is UDFA. He is real proud of finding Herndon, Jarrod Wilson, and Corey Grant.
That's where I heard it confirmed too. Had seen stories in the past.
Would imply that Caldwell has very little interest in using them for early rounds
(03-11-2020, 08:08 PM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2020, 07:54 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Yep on the Le Batard podcast not long ago Tony said the only thing that Dave has let him touch is UDFA. He is real proud of finding Herndon, Jarrod Wilson, and Corey Grant.
That's where I heard it confirmed too. Had seen stories in the past.
Would imply that Caldwell has very little interest in using them for early rounds
Yeah years ago on the Keri podcast Tony went farther in detail about it. He created the analytics dept with 3 or 4 ivy leaguers and Dave and Gus essentially told them to go sit in the corner and stay away. That's why Tony moved on to all of his other projects.
(03-11-2020, 01:03 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2020, 12:21 PM)Kane Wrote: [ -> ]Yep
See: We don't need Roethlisberger, we have Leftwich. Etc.
With the turnover of rosters, guys like Yan wanting out, Taven Bryan being a "?" Smoot more of just a role player, a huge need at NT, Campbell age....
I mean why wouldn't we take the DL guy?
Sure we have Herndon and then nothing behind him at CB but I think the drop off on DL talent later in the draft is bigger than the drop off at CB in late 1st and 2nd rounds.
Also.... The rake analogy doesn't really fit with this.
The rake analogy is more like having a need at DL or CB and taking a RB at 9
See: Fournette top 5 instead of QB, TE, OL
Taven Bryan round 1 instead of QB, TE, OL
etc.... (Coughlin recently divorced btw)
The rake analogy is so bad there no way to fix it. It's more like seeing a nice backhoe for a price you can afford, but maybe you already have some tool that can also dig but isn't as good, so what you get instead is a less good tool that probably won't even do a good job at what you need it for, but it'll cost the same as the backhoe that you found for a much better deal. Which do you do, spend the money on the backhoe, or spend the same amount on something else less good?
I'm lost. The chicken? The rake?
(03-13-2020, 10:26 AM)PF* Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2020, 01:03 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]The rake analogy is so bad there no way to fix it. It's more like seeing a nice backhoe for a price you can afford, but maybe you already have some tool that can also dig but isn't as good, so what you get instead is a less good tool that probably won't even do a good job at what you need it for, but it'll cost the same as the backhoe that you found for a much better deal. Which do you do, spend the money on the backhoe, or spend the same amount on something else less good?
I'm lost. The chicken? The rake?
Let’s start over.
A doctor, a lawyer, and an NFL GM walk into a bar...
(03-13-2020, 04:54 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-13-2020, 10:26 AM)PF* Wrote: [ -> ]I'm lost. The chicken? The rake?
Let’s start over.
A doctor, a lawyer, and an NFL GM walk into a bar...
The rabbit says "I might be a typo..."
Thread is approaching comedy gold territory.
(03-13-2020, 04:57 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-13-2020, 04:54 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Let’s start over.
A doctor, a lawyer, and an NFL GM walk into a bar...
The rabbit says "I might be a typo..."
Priest Holmes is the bartender.
(03-14-2020, 10:14 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-13-2020, 04:57 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]The rabbit says "I might be a typo..."
Priest Holmes is the bartender.
And he says to the guy, " Of course the genie is hard of hearing, do ya think I asked for a 12 inch pianist?"
(03-14-2020, 05:20 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-14-2020, 10:14 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Priest Holmes is the bartender.
And he says to the guy, " Of course the genie is hard of hearing, do ya think I asked for a 12 inch pianist?"
LMBO @ "12 inch pianist." Is that like having 3" of birth?
NH3...
(03-03-2020, 06:38 PM)Andy G Wrote: [ -> ]Bouye, Ngakoue gone or going. Others reportedly on the trade block...
Maybe it’s time to re-think the way we see our draft strategy, forget pressing “needs” like OT and DT and just go for the best available player? Even if it’s a WR or a position we don’t think is a priority.
Realistically, we’re probably going into a rebuild and not looking for players to make us competitive this season.
Or do we continue to draft for need and hope we can remain competitive with a roster trimmed of some of the bigger names?
Absolutely we take BAP in the 1st 5 rounds with the exceptions of quarterback and running back. It's likely going to take this team at least 3 more seasons to at least compete for the playoffs. How many players on the current roster can we likely count on at that point to be significant contributors? I'd say:
Chark
Harrison
Taylor
Josh Allen
Hopefully Minshew and Jack
With a nucleus as weak as this, taking BAP is the obvious decision.