(03-05-2020, 03:41 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]Even though the Arizona Cardinals appear to have a need at RT, with them recently signing LT DJ Humphries to a multi-year contract extension, I think the chances of them drafting an Offensive Tackle with pick # 8 have lessened. Especially, with likely good options at other positions available for them with pick # 8. Of course they could trade down, with another team jumping ahead of the Jaguars for an Offensive Tackle.
I think they could surprise some people and take Lamb or Jeudy as well being this is most likely Fitz last year
(03-05-2020, 09:48 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-05-2020, 03:41 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]Even though the Arizona Cardinals appear to have a need at RT, with them recently signing LT DJ Humphries to a multi-year contract extension, I think the chances of them drafting an Offensive Tackle with pick # 8 have lessened. Especially, with likely good options at other positions available for them with pick # 8. Of course they could trade down, with another team jumping ahead of the Jaguars for an Offensive Tackle.
I think they could surprise some people and take Lamb or Jeudy as well being this is most likely Fitz last year
Agreed.
This draft will be interesting to see which way certain teams go in their drafting - and I feel like the Giants and Cardinals are two big wild cards in shaping the draft.
(03-06-2020, 12:21 AM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ] (03-05-2020, 09:48 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I think they could surprise some people and take Lamb or Jeudy as well being this is most likely Fitz last year
Agreed.
This draft will be interesting to see which way certain teams go in their drafting - and I feel like the Giants and Cardinals are two big wild cards in shaping the draft.
It doesn't mean anything but looking on their message board most of their fans want Lamb
(03-06-2020, 07:38 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-06-2020, 12:21 AM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed.
This draft will be interesting to see which way certain teams go in their drafting - and I feel like the Giants and Cardinals are two big wild cards in shaping the draft.
It doesn't mean anything but looking on their message board most of their fans want Lamb
Young gun slinger at QB, Kirk, Lamb/Jeudy, and Fitz...
Watch out for AZ if they can shore up their OL at all and get a run game going again
(03-05-2020, 09:48 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-05-2020, 03:41 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]Even though the Arizona Cardinals appear to have a need at RT, with them recently signing LT DJ Humphries to a multi-year contract extension, I think the chances of them drafting an Offensive Tackle with pick # 8 have lessened. Especially, with likely good options at other positions available for them with pick # 8. Of course they could trade down, with another team jumping ahead of the Jaguars for an Offensive Tackle.
I think they could surprise some people and take Lamb or Jeudy as well being this is most likely Fitz last year
It would make plenty of sense for the Cardinals to go in this direction. Who better to be a mentor for a WR than Larry Fitzgerald!
Because WR is a very deep position in the 2020 Draft, it will be interesting to see if the top projected WRs go somewhat lower in Round 1 than if this was a more typical WR draft.
I have seen a couple of trade down scenarios involving the Eagles. Two different mocks have the Eagles at 21, desperate to add speed to their receiving corps, trade the 21st overall pick to Jacksonville for the #9 overall pick. The Eagkes select Henry Ruggs III out of Alabama.
The most comparable trades in recent memory?
2019 Steelers moved from 20 to 10th overall for their 2nd round pick, the #52, and a 2020 third round pick. The Steelers took LB Devin Bush, while Denver wound up with TE Noah Fant. That was a total of ten (10) spots. The proposed trade witht he Eagles would involve twelve spots. The Eagles, from one spot lowerm would have to move one spot higher to pull off that move.
2017 Houston traded up from 25 to 12 to select DeShaun Watson, Cleveland got Houston's 1st round pick in 2018. That was a swap of 13 spots, for a pick outside of the top ten.
Assuming a trade similar in scope to last year's Pittsburgh-Denver trade, would you be in favor of such a move?
We'd end up with picks:
20 (from the Rams)
21 (from Phi)
42
53 (From Phi)
73
106
108 (From Den)
148
170
189 (From Sea)
224
*Drat positions obtained from Walterfootball.com, the draftnetwork,com, sy.com **-Picks subject to change due to compensatory pick allocation
(03-07-2020, 01:54 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I have seen a couple of trade down scenarios involving the Eagles. Two different mocks have the Eagles at 21, desperate to add speed to their receiving corps, trade the 21st overall pick to Jacksonville for the #9 overall pick. The Eagkes select Henry Ruggs III out of Alabama.
The most comparable trades in recent memory?
2019 Steelers moved from 20 to 10th overall for their 2nd round pick, the #52, and a 2020 third round pick. The Steelers took LB Devin Bush, while Denver wound up with TE Noah Fant. That was a total of ten (10) spots. The proposed trade witht he Eagles would involve twelve spots. The Eagles, from one spot lowerm would have to move one spot higher to pull off that move.
2017 Houston traded up from 25 to 12 to select DeShaun Watson, Cleveland got Houston's 1st round pick in 2018. That was a swap of 13 spots, for a pick outside of the top ten.
Assuming a trade similar in scope to last year's Pittsburgh-Denver trade, would you be in favor of such a move?
We'd end up with picks:
20 (from the Rams)
21 (from Phi)
42
53 (From Phi)
73
106
108 (From Den)
148
170
189 (From Sea)
224
*Drat positions obtained from Walterfootball.com, the draftnetwork,com, sy.com **-Picks subject to change due to compensatory pick allocation
I would need more than just a mid 2nd to drop down 12 spots. At 9, we are all but guaranteed one of Simmons/Brown/Kinlaw or a top OT if those 3 are gone. I think those would make a bigger impact than the 2 picks.
I loved the NYJ trade idea...dropping 2 spots for a 4th but dropping 12 would take us out of the premier DT spot for sure.
(03-07-2020, 01:54 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I have seen a couple of trade down scenarios involving the Eagles. Two different mocks have the Eagles at 21, desperate to add speed to their receiving corps, trade the 21st overall pick to Jacksonville for the #9 overall pick. The Eagkes select Henry Ruggs III out of Alabama.
The most comparable trades in recent memory?
2019 Steelers moved from 20 to 10th overall for their 2nd round pick, the #52, and a 2020 third round pick. The Steelers took LB Devin Bush, while Denver wound up with TE Noah Fant. That was a total of ten (10) spots. The proposed trade witht he Eagles would involve twelve spots. The Eagles, from one spot lowerm would have to move one spot higher to pull off that move.
2017 Houston traded up from 25 to 12 to select DeShaun Watson, Cleveland got Houston's 1st round pick in 2018. That was a swap of 13 spots, for a pick outside of the top ten.
Assuming a trade similar in scope to last year's Pittsburgh-Denver trade, would you be in favor of such a move?
We'd end up with picks:
20 (from the Rams)
21 (from Phi)
42
53 (From Phi)
73
106
108 (From Den)
148
170
189 (From Sea)
224
*Drat positions obtained from Walterfootball.com, the draftnetwork,com, sy.com **-Picks subject to change due to compensatory pick allocation
No, I would not.
I know people don't necessarily go by those draft pick value charts, but they are useful as a benchmark for what a trade should be worth. This one:
https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp
...says the Jags 9th overall pick is worth 1350, and the Eagles 21st overall pick is worth 800, a difference of 550, which would be the value of a HIGH second round pick, something in the top 5 picks of the 2nd round. The Eagles 2nd round pick is worth 370, which leaves them well short of the value needed to go from 21 to 9. It would require their 3rd round pick AND their 4th round pick in addition to their 2nd round pick to swap 1st round picks with us, at least according to this draft pick value chart.
And I agree with that. I wouldn't move from 9 to 21 for just any old 2nd round pick, and definitely not the Eagles' 2nd round pick.
(03-07-2020, 02:58 PM)BlueEyedJag Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2020, 01:54 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]I have seen a couple of trade down scenarios involving the Eagles. Two different mocks have the Eagles at 21, desperate to add speed to their receiving corps, trade the 21st overall pick to Jacksonville for the #9 overall pick. The Eagkes select Henry Ruggs III out of Alabama.
The most comparable trades in recent memory?
2019 Steelers moved from 20 to 10th overall for their 2nd round pick, the #52, and a 2020 third round pick. The Steelers took LB Devin Bush, while Denver wound up with TE Noah Fant. That was a total of ten (10) spots. The proposed trade witht he Eagles would involve twelve spots. The Eagles, from one spot lowerm would have to move one spot higher to pull off that move.
2017 Houston traded up from 25 to 12 to select DeShaun Watson, Cleveland got Houston's 1st round pick in 2018. That was a swap of 13 spots, for a pick outside of the top ten.
Assuming a trade similar in scope to last year's Pittsburgh-Denver trade, would you be in favor of such a move?
We'd end up with picks:
20 (from the Rams)
21 (from Phi)
42
53 (From Phi)
73
106
108 (From Den)
148
170
189 (From Sea)
224
*Drat positions obtained from Walterfootball.com, the draftnetwork,com, sy.com **-Picks subject to change due to compensatory pick allocation
I would need more than just a mid 2nd to drop down 12 spots. At 9, we are all but guaranteed one of Simmons/Brown/Kinlaw or a top OT if those 3 are gone. I think those would make a bigger impact than the 2 picks.
I loved the NYJ trade idea...dropping 2 spots for a 4th but dropping 12 would take us out of the premier DT spot for sure.
To be clear, you would also get a 3rd round pick the next year (2021) if we were replicating precisely the Steelers Broncos trade.
(03-07-2020, 07:51 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2020, 02:58 PM)BlueEyedJag Wrote: [ -> ]I would need more than just a mid 2nd to drop down 12 spots. At 9, we are all but guaranteed one of Simmons/Brown/Kinlaw or a top OT if those 3 are gone. I think those would make a bigger impact than the 2 picks.
I loved the NYJ trade idea...dropping 2 spots for a 4th but dropping 12 would take us out of the premier DT spot for sure.
To be clear, you would also get a 3rd round pick the next year (2021) if we were replicating precisely the Steelers Broncos trade.
Understood but wouldn't really move the needle for me personally. Too big of a drop.
I fully expect at least one of Simmons/Okudah/Brown to be there at 9 and I would take them over anything at 21/mid 2nd/2020 3rd.