Now that the first wave of free agency is done, what have we learned about how the Jaguars' draft will play out? The most important deal was when the Lions traded Darius Slay. It's pretty much guaranteed they now take Okudah. The Giants and Cardinals will go offensive line to protect their young quarterbacks and the Chargers will now take Rivers' replacement. That leaves Derrick Brown falling to the Jaguars which would be as big a break as when Josh Allen fell to them last year. He and Schobert will greatly improve the terrible run defense of a year ago.
After the obvious selection of Brown, the Jags should be expected to take the BAP at offensive line, wide receiver, tight end, safety and cornerback for the remainder of the draft. The only exception would be finding a 3rd down running back adept at catching the ball in the middle rounds. The decision on when to take a pass rusher will be dependent on what happens with Ndakwoe.
Should be the most interesting draft in team history considering they may have as many as 13 draft picks.
I thought there was a chance we take Queen or Murray at 20, now I don't. Other than that pretty much every option is on the table still. Dennard has not shown nearly enough to think that an outside corner is not still a big need, and Gunter isn't more than solid depth/band aid starter.
Right now I'm going OT at 9. Brown's good but I'm just not spending a top 10 pick on an interior dline with questionable pass rush. If I absolutely had to take an IDL at 9 it would be Kinlaw.
At 20 I'm hoping Henderson or Ruggs falls, and if not I'm happy with Mims.
Early 2nd is where I'm getting my interior DL. Whichever of Blacklock, Madubuike, Gallimore, or Raekwon falls. I guess one of the CBs would be ok here too I just don't like any of them that much after Okudah and Henderson.
Yeah -
Taking a LB early is pretty much the only thing that became much more unlikely based on the initial wave of FA.
Still plenty of noise to be made in free agency that could give the Jags more flexibility in early rounds.
(03-20-2020, 08:06 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I thought there was a chance we take Queen or Murray at 20, now I don't. Other than that pretty much every option is on the table still. Dennard has not shown nearly enough to think that an outside corner is not still a big need, and Gunter isn't more than solid depth/band aid starter.
Right now I'm going OT at 9. Brown's good but I'm just not spending a top 10 pick on an interior dline with questionable pass rush. If I absolutely had to take an IDL at 9 it would be Kinlaw.
At 20 I'm hoping Henderson or Ruggs falls, and if not I'm happy with Mims.
Early 2nd is where I'm getting my interior DL. Whichever of Blacklock, Madubuike, Gallimore, or Raekwon falls. I guess one of the CBs would be ok here too I just don't like any of them that much after Okudah and Henderson.
Dream? Okudah at 9 and Ruggs at 20.
(03-20-2020, 08:47 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Dream? Okudah at 9 and Ruggs at 20.
Yep that's been the dream for a long time now but I can't see it happening. My outline was what I think is realistic.
(03-20-2020, 08:06 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I thought there was a chance we take Queen or Murray at 20, now I don't. Other than that pretty much every option is on the table still. Dennard has not shown nearly enough to think that an outside corner is not still a big need, and Gunter isn't more than solid depth/band aid starter.
Right now I'm going OT at 9. Brown's good but I'm just not spending a top 10 pick on an interior dline with questionable pass rush. If I absolutely had to take an IDL at 9 it would be Kinlaw.
At 20 I'm hoping Henderson or Ruggs falls, and if not I'm happy with Mims.
Early 2nd is where I'm getting my interior DL. Whichever of Blacklock, Madubuike, Gallimore, or Raekwon falls. I guess one of the CBs would be ok here too I just don't like any of them that much after Okudah and Henderson.
No doubt the Jaguars need more quality on the offensive line. Unfortunately, I expect the Giants and Cardinals to take the top 2 offensive linemen off the board before the Jaguars pick so I'd rather get the top rated DT than the 3rd best OT. It is true that Kinlaw has more upside than Brown, but he's also riskier and needs more development. The Jaguars can't afford any more 1st round busts and Brown is about as safe a pick as there is in this draft. I will say that if Wirfs does fall to the Jags, he would have to be considered. The Jags would then take one of the DT you mentioned in the 2nd or possibly wait until round 3 and take Fotu if they plan on changing to a 3-4 defense.
Henderson and Ruggs would be great picks at 20. If either guy drops to that spot, the Jags would run to the podium for one of them.
(03-21-2020, 11:01 AM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2020, 08:06 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I thought there was a chance we take Queen or Murray at 20, now I don't. Other than that pretty much every option is on the table still. Dennard has not shown nearly enough to think that an outside corner is not still a big need, and Gunter isn't more than solid depth/band aid starter.
Right now I'm going OT at 9. Brown's good but I'm just not spending a top 10 pick on an interior dline with questionable pass rush. If I absolutely had to take an IDL at 9 it would be Kinlaw.
At 20 I'm hoping Henderson or Ruggs falls, and if not I'm happy with Mims.
Early 2nd is where I'm getting my interior DL. Whichever of Blacklock, Madubuike, Gallimore, or Raekwon falls. I guess one of the CBs would be ok here too I just don't like any of them that much after Okudah and Henderson.
No doubt the Jaguars need more quality on the offensive line. Unfortunately, I expect the Giants and Cardinals to take the top 2 offensive linemen off the board before the Jaguars pick so I'd rather get the top rated DT than the 3rd best OT. It is true that Kinlaw has more upside than Brown, but he's also riskier and needs more development. The Jaguars can't afford any more 1st round busts and Brown is about as safe a pick as there is in this draft. I will say that if Wirfs does fall to the Jags, he would have to be considered. The Jags would then take one of the DT you mentioned in the 2nd or possibly wait until round 3 and take Fotu if they plan on changing to a 3-4 defense.
Henderson and Ruggs would be great picks at 20. If either guy drops to that spot, the Jags would run to the podium for one of them.
Becton scares me some, I might take Brown over him. I'm without hesitation taking Wills, Wirfs, and Thomas over Brown though and I can't imagine all 3 of them are gone. And if so then the miraculous happened and we get either Okudah or Simmons.
(03-21-2020, 01:31 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (03-21-2020, 11:01 AM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]No doubt the Jaguars need more quality on the offensive line. Unfortunately, I expect the Giants and Cardinals to take the top 2 offensive linemen off the board before the Jaguars pick so I'd rather get the top rated DT than the 3rd best OT. It is true that Kinlaw has more upside than Brown, but he's also riskier and needs more development. The Jaguars can't afford any more 1st round busts and Brown is about as safe a pick as there is in this draft. I will say that if Wirfs does fall to the Jags, he would have to be considered. The Jags would then take one of the DT you mentioned in the 2nd or possibly wait until round 3 and take Fotu if they plan on changing to a 3-4 defense.
Henderson and Ruggs would be great picks at 20. If either guy drops to that spot, the Jags would run to the podium for one of them.
Becton scares me some, I might take Brown over him. I'm without hesitation taking Wills, Wirfs, and Thomas over Brown though and I can't imagine all 3 of them are gone. And if so then the miraculous happened and we get either Okudah or Simmons.
Yea, Becton would be too risky to take at 9. I might take him at 20, however, since his upside is so so high.
(03-21-2020, 02:48 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-21-2020, 01:31 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Becton scares me some, I might take Brown over him. I'm without hesitation taking Wills, Wirfs, and Thomas over Brown though and I can't imagine all 3 of them are gone. And if so then the miraculous happened and we get either Okudah or Simmons.
Yea, Becton would be too risky to take at 9. I might take him at 20, however, since his upside is so so high.
My BAP rankings for #9 (one of them will surely be there; Simmons won't):
- Okudah
- Brown
- Wirfs (let him compete w/Cam at LT; loser moves to RG)
For #20:
- Kinlaw
- Henderson
- Becton
- Wills or Thomas (same guy to me)
- Mims
- Ruggs
- Jefferson
I think they're going offense with both picks on opening night at this time. I think the top four defenders (Young, Okudah, Simmons & Brown) will be off the board and that gives them their clear answer. I think with that 9th pick and 20th pick they'll be leaning towards OT & WR. Realistically they stand to gain Wills Jr, Wirfs, Beckton or Thomas with that 9th pick if they choose so. Which IMO any of those four guys is an upgrade over the oft injured Cam Robinson.
Selecting an OT there gives you two starters as there's a good chance Robinson mauls Cann out of his job at RG. Bolstering the right side with Robinson and Taylor seems like a win-win for me. Adding one of these freakish athletes at LT is even better when you consider Minshew's tendency to dance and create. A LT with dancer's feet is his best friend all year in this case.
With that 20th pick I think they could land a solid WR. Between the Bama' boys, Jefferson at LSU and maybe Mims out of Baylor they'll be able to add an excellent compliment to Chark, Conley and Westbrook. Now, they could ALSO very well flip this scenario around and still come out relatively ahead.
They could PROBABLY land the best WR with the 9th overall pick there. Which may be better off. Between Jeudy and Lamb you're getting a mover and shaker on your offense right away. Coupled with the idea that they're not being tasked to take on No. 1 like WR roles and it's even better for our team. And with that 20th pick you could land a solid LT like Austin Jackson or Josh Jones which still gives you the outline above with Robinson Vs. Cann.
With 12 picks, and Ngakoue's contract situation also being on the table for moving up potentially? I could see them coming up to get a defender they like later on during opening night or very, very early on the 2nd day during the 2nd round kick off and 3rd round kick off. We see it every year. A player that we more than likely had a 1st RD grade on is going to slip to RD2 or slip to the bottom and they're going to throw some chips at other teams to get him.
Fine by me. I would guess it's for a CB in that trade situation. I would say it's more than likely going to be for that kid out of Clemson at CB or a solid D-3Tech like that other kid out of Nebraska that's been climbing up as of late.
(03-22-2020, 06:34 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I think they're going offense with both picks on opening night at this time. I think the top four defenders (Young, Okudah, Simmons & Brown) will be off the board and that gives them their clear answer. I think with that 9th pick and 20th pick they'll be leaning towards OT & WR. Realistically they stand to gain Wills Jr, Wirfs, Beckton or Thomas with that 9th pick if they choose so. Which IMO any of those four guys is an upgrade over the oft injured Cam Robinson.
Selecting an OT there gives you two starters as there's a good chance Robinson mauls Cann out of his job at RG. Bolstering the right side with Robinson and Taylor seems like a win-win for me. Adding one of these freakish athletes at LT is even better when you consider Minshew's tendency to dance and create. A LT with dancer's feet is his best friend all year in this case.
With that 20th pick I think they could land a solid WR. Between the Bama' boys, Jefferson at LSU and maybe Mims out of Baylor they'll be able to add an excellent compliment to Chark, Conley and Westbrook. Now, they could ALSO very well flip this scenario around and still come out relatively ahead.
They could PROBABLY land the best WR with the 9th overall pick there. Which may be better off. Between Jeudy and Lamb you're getting a mover and shaker on your offense right away. Coupled with the idea that they're not being tasked to take on No. 1 like WR roles and it's even better for our team. And with that 20th pick you could land a solid LT like Austin Jackson or Josh Jones which still gives you the outline above with Robinson Vs. Cann.
With 12 picks, and Ngakoue's contract situation also being on the table for moving up potentially? I could see them coming up to get a defender they like later on during opening night or very, very early on the 2nd day during the 2nd round kick off and 3rd round kick off. We see it every year. A player that we more than likely had a 1st RD grade on is going to slip to RD2 or slip to the bottom and they're going to throw some chips at other teams to get him.
Fine by me. I would guess it's for a CB in that trade situation. I would say it's more than likely going to be for that kid out of Clemson at CB or a solid D-3Tech like that other kid out of Nebraska that's been climbing up as of late.
It all depends on how the 1st 8 picks falls but I would still take Okudah/Simmons/Brown in that order if any of them are there at 9.
But I do like the idea of going Offense heavy and giving Minshew every chance to succeed.
I think Simmons is off the board. We now have 2 starting LBs. The 3rd LB would only be on the field 30% of the time. That's a wasted pick.
(03-22-2020, 10:05 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I think Simmons is off the board. We now have 2 starting LBs. The 3rd LB would only be on the field 30% of the time. That's a wasted pick.
Simmons is more than just a LB...his freak athleticism and versatility can't be taken off the board.
And didnt Josh Allen have a similar argument against him...we had 2 starting DE so why draft him...
(03-22-2020, 10:05 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I think Simmons is off the board. We now have 2 starting LBs. The 3rd LB would only be on the field 30% of the time. That's a wasted pick.
Simmons is also an EDGE, slot corner, and safety. He could easily be on the field at all times. In fact, having two large salary LBs would force them to use Simmons creatively all over the place so it could be a blessing in disguise.
(03-22-2020, 09:45 AM)BlueEyedJag Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2020, 06:34 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I think they're going offense with both picks on opening night at this time. I think the top four defenders (Young, Okudah, Simmons & Brown) will be off the board and that gives them their clear answer. I think with that 9th pick and 20th pick they'll be leaning towards OT & WR. Realistically they stand to gain Wills Jr, Wirfs, Beckton or Thomas with that 9th pick if they choose so. Which IMO any of those four guys is an upgrade over the oft injured Cam Robinson.
Selecting an OT there gives you two starters as there's a good chance Robinson mauls Cann out of his job at RG. Bolstering the right side with Robinson and Taylor seems like a win-win for me. Adding one of these freakish athletes at LT is even better when you consider Minshew's tendency to dance and create. A LT with dancer's feet is his best friend all year in this case.
With that 20th pick I think they could land a solid WR. Between the Bama' boys, Jefferson at LSU and maybe Mims out of Baylor they'll be able to add an excellent compliment to Chark, Conley and Westbrook. Now, they could ALSO very well flip this scenario around and still come out relatively ahead.
They could PROBABLY land the best WR with the 9th overall pick there. Which may be better off. Between Jeudy and Lamb you're getting a mover and shaker on your offense right away. Coupled with the idea that they're not being tasked to take on No. 1 like WR roles and it's even better for our team. And with that 20th pick you could land a solid LT like Austin Jackson or Josh Jones which still gives you the outline above with Robinson Vs. Cann.
With 12 picks, and Ngakoue's contract situation also being on the table for moving up potentially? I could see them coming up to get a defender they like later on during opening night or very, very early on the 2nd day during the 2nd round kick off and 3rd round kick off. We see it every year. A player that we more than likely had a 1st RD grade on is going to slip to RD2 or slip to the bottom and they're going to throw some chips at other teams to get him.
Fine by me. I would guess it's for a CB in that trade situation. I would say it's more than likely going to be for that kid out of Clemson at CB or a solid D-3Tech like that other kid out of Nebraska that's been climbing up as of late.
It all depends on how the 1st 8 picks falls but I would still take Okudah/Simmons/Brown in that order if any of them are there at 9.
But I do like the idea of going Offense heavy and giving Minshew every chance to succeed.
I'd also be happy with Okudah, Simmons or Brown. I'd be shocked if the eventual pick is not Brown since Okudah to the Lions and Simmons to Carolina seems about 90 % likely to happen. If the Jags aren't that enamored with Brown, I could see them trading back a few spots and getting Kinlaw.
(03-22-2020, 12:09 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2020, 09:45 AM)BlueEyedJag Wrote: [ -> ]It all depends on how the 1st 8 picks falls but I would still take Okudah/Simmons/Brown in that order if any of them are there at 9.
But I do like the idea of going Offense heavy and giving Minshew every chance to succeed.
I'd also be happy with Okudah, Simmons or Brown. I'd be shocked if the eventual pick is not Brown since Okudah to the Lions and Simmons to Carolina seems about 90 % likely to happen. If the Jags aren't that enamored with Brown, I could see them trading back a few spots and getting Kinlaw.
Depends on how far you trade back. Interested to see what the 49ERS are aiming to accomplish in this draft. They were able to secure indy's pick while losing a piece to their front four. John Lynch is a defensive minded guy. Kyle Shanahan is offensive minded.
They saw their defense get outplayed in the Superbowl and their offense not have enough fire power to climb back into it. If we traded down and fell behind them I wouldn't be surprised if they were after Kinlaw themselves. I think he's a better fit for them than Brown would be.
My other line of thinking is that they're wanting a WR. I wouldn't rule out Jeudy, Lamb or possibly Ruggs there with the 49ERS. Ruggs especially because of his speed.
I don't want to see them trade down in this year's draft at all personally. I feel like with that 9th overall pick they're primed to either
A. Improve the LT position
B. Improve the Run Defense
C. Potentially add their most coveted WR of the draft and potentially take the first WR off the board
I don't think they can go wrong either way there with the 9th overall pick. That 20th pick is where it kind of gets interesting. I wouldn't mind a trade down there in that case unless a top 15 prospect fell 5 more spots to us. Which I doubt Kinlaw would slip there. Nor Beckton.
(03-22-2020, 04:46 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2020, 12:09 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd also be happy with Okudah, Simmons or Brown. I'd be shocked if the eventual pick is not Brown since Okudah to the Lions and Simmons to Carolina seems about 90 % likely to happen. If the Jags aren't that enamored with Brown, I could see them trading back a few spots and getting Kinlaw.
Depends on how far you trade back. Interested to see what the 49ERS are aiming to accomplish in this draft. They were able to secure indy's pick while losing a piece to their front four. John Lynch is a defensive minded guy. Kyle Shanahan is offensive minded.
They saw their defense get outplayed in the Superbowl and their offense not have enough fire power to climb back into it. If we traded down and fell behind them I wouldn't be surprised if they were after Kinlaw themselves. I think he's a better fit for them than Brown would be.
My other line of thinking is that they're wanting a WR. I wouldn't rule out Jeudy, Lamb or possibly Ruggs there with the 49ERS. Ruggs especially because of his speed.
I don't want to see them trade down in this year's draft at all personally. I feel like with that 9th overall pick they're primed to either
A. Improve the LT position
B. Improve the Run Defense
C. Potentially add their most coveted WR of the draft and potentially take the first WR off the board
I don't think they can go wrong either way there with the 9th overall pick. That 20th pick is where it kind of gets interesting. I wouldn't mind a trade down there in that case unless a top 15 prospect fell 5 more spots to us. Which I doubt Kinlaw would slip there. Nor Beckton.
Agree, I would love Kinlaw, Henderson, or any of the top 4 OTs fell. Lamb and Jeudy are the only 2 WRs I would take at 20. If none are there trade down