(10-20-2020, 06:24 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]If Minshew continues to struggle against the Chargers, hopefully we give this guy a shot. Marrone said earlier in the week of he continues to struggle we could see Luton getting a chance.
https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/is-j...uarterback
Not going to happen. It would be pretty stupid to do such a thing.
I mean... what difference does it make? We're going absolutely nowhere. Minshew wont be the QB of the future. What would we save Lutton for? There is nothing being built around this moment, so why not try anything.
(10-20-2020, 06:24 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]If Minshew continues to struggle against the Chargers, hopefully we give this guy a shot. Marrone said earlier in the week of he continues to struggle we could see Luton getting a chance.
https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/is-j...uarterback
They might play Jake at some point. I wouldn't be surprised if we saw him playing at some point. The team does have a tough part of the schedule ahead, and unfortunately I could see some really big blowouts happening. Which could lead to Gardner going to the bench/Jake getting some playing time. Though, he hasn't really been activated, this season. And I don't know if that's because they genuinely feel he should be the third stringer on the team. (He was originally given the #2 spot behind Gardner.) Or if that was more about having an experienced vet in Glennon, taking over if Gardner couldn't play for some reason (like injury/illness)
Jay Gruden did praise Jake and I did read some positive things about him during training camp. It would be nice if he could get some playing time during a positive blowout for the Jags (where the Jags/Gardner were dominating). But the way things are going it's more likely to be other way around, (the Jags going down very big early, and him being inserted that way).
(10-20-2020, 06:45 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (10-20-2020, 06:24 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]If Minshew continues to struggle against the Chargers, hopefully we give this guy a shot. Marrone said earlier in the week of he continues to struggle we could see Luton getting a chance.
https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/is-j...uarterback
Not going to happen. It would be pretty stupid to do such a thing.
Why would it be stupid if Minshew struggles to see what the kid can do?
I don't think we are there yet. There's also the fact that Minshew may actually have some trade value that could be worth protecting. He is heading towards a pretty good looking season, statistically speaking. If he plays out the year on his current pace (which is questionable considering how fast he's regressing) he could be in a position where another team would give up half decent draft capital to aquire a statistically impressive young QB on a very friendly contract. If he gets benched, that potential value goes down.
So you want to tank to get #1 pick but should bench Minshew for Luton as he may be better.
Proper Jags logic right there.
(10-20-2020, 08:22 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]So you want to tank to get #1 pick but should bench Minshew for Luton as he may be better.
Proper Jags logic right there.
Logic never has anything to do with Jag football
(10-20-2020, 08:22 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]So you want to tank to get #1 pick but should bench Minshew for Luton as he may be better.
Proper Jags logic right there.
Who said I want to tank? I dont see the Jets winning a game. Its week 6 and id like to win football games if possible if we have a guy that can do that for us and see what he has
(10-20-2020, 08:54 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-20-2020, 08:22 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]So you want to tank to get #1 pick but should bench Minshew for Luton as he may be better.
Proper Jags logic right there.
Who said I want to tank? I dont see the Jets winning a game. Its week 6 and id like to win football games if possible if we have a guy that can do that for us and see what he has
Oh I completely agree. It's why we always end up picking 5th or 7th. But the only way Trevor Lawrence or Fields are options are with the #1 or #2 pick and it looks a low bar for those top picks this year.
I think we need to change this losing culture. We thought we turned a corner but we didnt.
(10-20-2020, 09:20 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-20-2020, 08:54 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Who said I want to tank? I dont see the Jets winning a game. Its week 6 and id like to win football games if possible if we have a guy that can do that for us and see what he has
Oh I completely agree. It's why we always end up picking 5th or 7th. But the only way Trevor Lawrence or Fields are options are with the #1 or #2 pick and it looks a low bar for those top picks this year.
I think we need to change this losing culture. We thought we turned a corner but we didnt.
Always picking 5th or 7th isnt what hurt us, its just who they picked. I also wouldnt take fields with the 2nd pick, id take Sewell. I dont want to take a QB just because we need a QB,wWe need to take the BPA, we need some All Pros. You can find a QB outside of the 1st and 2nd pick. Pretty much all the good QBs in the league didnt get drafted with the 1st or 2nd pick. Either way we will likely get a high pick, and the new GM just has to hit on his picks regardless of the position and thats how you build a winning team. Along with getting the right coach
(10-20-2020, 09:26 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-20-2020, 09:20 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Oh I completely agree. It's why we always end up picking 5th or 7th. But the only way Trevor Lawrence or Fields are options are with the #1 or #2 pick and it looks a low bar for those top picks this year.
I think we need to change this losing culture. We thought we turned a corner but we didnt.
Always picking 5th or 7th isnt what hurt us, its just who they picked. I also wouldnt take fields with the 2nd pick, id take Sewell. I dont want to take a QB just because we need a QB,wWe need to take the BPA, we need some All Pros. You can find a QB outside of the 1st and 2nd pick. Pretty much all the good QBs in the league didnt get drafted with the 1st or 2nd pick. Either way we will likely get a high pick, and the new GM just has to hit on his picks regardless of the position and thats how you build a winning team. Along with getting the right coach
I completely agree again. I get the interest in a Lawrence or Fields. It's a potential future star and QB is so important. But like you've said, we have holes all over. Sewell looks the best T in years to come out, I think we could use an elite player anywhere on the D line or LB. That's my main argument for Minshew, yes we can find better but theres plenty I'd fix before him.
We also need to settle on what type of O we want to build and then bring in players that suite that position. O has had so many changes with coaches and players that its parts of like 3 previous O's thrown together.
I see the possibility as something similar to what the Browns did this weekend - the game was out of reach, the starter got benched "to protect him" (yeah, right).
If we're 12-odd games into the season and still haven't won another, I could see them giving Luton a couple games if only to get some tape on him, regardless of Minshew's health. They might send him to IR with an ankle or some ticky-tack injury, just to avoid the whole 'benching' controversy. I am quite confident that we will be doing SOMETHING at QB this offseason, whether it be darft and/or FA, and Luton will likely be the odd man out. Maybe we give him a chance to show he belongs, and ship him off and recoup the late rounder we spent on him.
Unless Minshew turns into Gabbert, I don't see anything changing as early as the bye.
What I'm afraid of the Jags actually have a chance to draft one of those big time college quarterbacks...
and Shad gives Doug & company a pass on this year.
Who on God's green earth is going to develop them?
This team screws up every promising young player that's drafted.
Losing starts at the TOP ...and this organization is rife with it.
Luton threw the football 59 mph at the combine. He needs to be starting.
(10-21-2020, 05:15 PM)Jagsfan32277 Wrote: [ -> ]Luton threw the football 59 mph at the combine. He needs to be starting.
IF the Jags put up another stinker this Sunday, WHY not? The bottom line is the offense is not getting it done. We have the bye week to give Luton enough time to get prepared.
I do not believe we win with either QB. AT least we could see if Luton offers anything for the future. It seems like the Jets are a lock for the #1 pick. IF the jags pick in the top 3 they need to decide if QB is the route or just picking the best player is the best route. Minshew maybe a journey man like Fitzpatrick. The Shew is a smart player but is ceiling is low. I don't know if he can over come his arm strength but his time to prove it is running out. I love his intermediate games but DC's have learned he struggles to throw it deep.
(10-20-2020, 08:01 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (10-20-2020, 06:45 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Not going to happen. It would be pretty stupid to do such a thing.
Why would it be stupid if Minshew struggles to see what the kid can do?
Minshew had a bad game. All quarterbacks have a bad game every now and then. If you look at the big picture, Minshew having a bad game didn't lose a game for us. Was it a contributing factor? Yes.
What would you describe as "struggling" for him? I mean yes, he did make some terrible throws this past game, but that's not really the "norm" for him. He's in his second year and still learning. It's only game 7 of the season and anything can happen with a young team.
(10-21-2020, 06:13 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (10-20-2020, 08:01 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Why would it be stupid if Minshew struggles to see what the kid can do?
Minshew had a bad game. All quarterbacks have a bad game every now and then. If you look at the big picture, Minshew having a bad game didn't lose a game for us. Was it a contributing factor? Yes.
What would you describe as "struggling" for him? I mean yes, he did make some terrible throws this past game, but that's not really the "norm" for him. He's in his second year and still learning. It's only game 7 of the season and anything can happen with a young team.
He's had 4 below-average games in a row.
(10-21-2020, 06:22 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2020, 06:13 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Minshew had a bad game. All quarterbacks have a bad game every now and then. If you look at the big picture, Minshew having a bad game didn't lose a game for us. Was it a contributing factor? Yes.
What would you describe as "struggling" for him? I mean yes, he did make some terrible throws this past game, but that's not really the "norm" for him. He's in his second year and still learning. It's only game 7 of the season and anything can happen with a young team.
He's had 4 below-average games in a row.
Whatever...
What do you define as "average"?
Did he lose any games for us?
(10-21-2020, 06:25 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (10-21-2020, 06:22 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: [ -> ]He's had 4 below-average games in a row.
Whatever...
What do you define as "average"?
Did he lose any games for us?
He didn't win any of them for us... so yah, he did lose. What are you? His cousin? Whatever. lol
QBR is probably the best rating to use for his play. Average (technically median) in the League is Matt Ryan at #16 with a QBR of 68.0 for the season.
Minshew is currently ranked #22 in the League at 58.9. His QBR for the last 4 games is 42.9 (Miami), 40.7 (Cincy), 65.0 (Houston), and 40.1 (Detroit). Those would be considered "below average" against some BAD defenses the last 4 games. Three of those games he was atrocious. Let me know if you have any more questions.