A swing tackle
A few veterans LBs and secondary players in reserve.
(04-27-2020, 02:04 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ]RG-Considering we didn't get one in the draft this has to be priority number one.
RB- With Fournette put on blast, you'd figure this position gets addressed rather quickly.
CB2- As the roster stands, it's Herndon and Hayden vying for CB2. There's something very unsettling about that.
OC- Linder is not getting any younger, his best days are behind him.
LT- Only because I want to see how Cam looks post injury. Could be number one.
TE- It made sense not to address this position in the draft. I definitely see them trimming the fat here next offseason, make or break season for all the TEs rostered.
FS- Historically this franchise has been weak at this position. Upgrade would be great but not really necessary.
OT- Swing tackle just in case of a major injury. If one of the tackles goes down it's 2018 all over.
What are the repercussions of just flat out cutting Myles Jack next offseason? 17mil seems like a lot to pay a weakside LB?
You say this like he’s approaching retirement age.
He just turned 28 and is in his prime
(04-27-2020, 12:04 PM)NoShoes Wrote: [ -> ]Development. Because this season is entirely dependent on year 2 jumps and 3rd/4th year players living up to potential.
This, this, this. Im all for drafting young talent and taking project players or players you think can make that jump but eventually they have to actually do it.
Be it coaching, scheming or player talent, we need a lot of these investments to start paying off. Sadly i think we do a bad job at all 3, hence why so few have made the jump.
How about resigning Gipson after he gets cut? How did he play last year? Is he declining?
From Espn.com:
The Texans didn't pick a safety, instead agreeing to a one-year deal with veteran Michael Thomas after the first day of the draft. Houston still has last year's starters -- Justin Reid and Tashaun Gipson -- on the roster, but in that same news conference, O'Brien did not mention Gipson when talking about the position, instead naming every other player he thinks could contribute. -- Sarah Barshop
(04-27-2020, 01:52 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2020, 01:00 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]
Babich was the worst DC in the NFL, one of the worst in league history. He was also terrible in Chicago. Not a "scapegoat" but guilty as charged.
Bradley was a real problem too. He created a culture of not caring which bled into every area of the team. Caldwell picked Bradley so there is some blame. At the time Bradley was a hot name for a head coaching position, and with no previous HC experience it was a blind guess. The pickings in 2013 were Andy Reid and meh (including Marrone). The Jags blew it in 2012 by not hiring Bruce Arians who was the guy I wanted. The other problem was that Bradley wasn't fired sooner. I have no hard proof but logic says that Khan (probably, but maybe Caldwell) promised him a full 4 years and wasn't going to go back on his word. That makes sense since the 2013 roster was essentially empty of any talent.
Coughlin was hired by Khan and fired by Khan which implies he was also guilty as charged. Seeing him on the field coaching during practice, the bad cap management, and the Fournette pick which had Coughlin's MO all over it is pretty much a smoking gun that he was micromanaging rather than just managing as he was hired to do.
I'm not sure about the OC's. None of them struck me as terrible. DeFillipo was clearly hired for Foles and fired as part of getting rid of Foles. The rest were probably fired for a failure to develop Bortles (as if that were possible).
Caldwell's draft picks have been good. He isn't much at trading picks, but his player trades have been better than I expected.
Caldwell didn't pick Bradley. The Khans did.
Nothing is ever Caldwell's fault.
Caldwell didn't choose Marrone so in 2 years when they finally let Marrone go we should give Caldwell a 4 year extension and let him choose his coach because he hasn't had a chance, right?
(04-27-2020, 11:42 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2020, 11:31 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]General Manager.
I think Caldwell is one of the better drafters. His coach-selection skills are horrible, but I think Marrone needs to be the first scapegoat. Bring in Bienemy or promote Gruden if the offense is promising but the defense falls apart under Wash/Marrone.
Sure, just look at the QB he drafted, Joeckel, Cyprien etc etc. Let me guess from 2017 to 2019 every bad pick was Coughlin's fault right? and the good ones were thanks to Caldwell?
Promote Gruden? hahaha might as well keep Marrone, at least he has won some playoff games and made it to the AFCC unlike Gruden.
Unbelievable how people can be so.....
pass rushing interior players, maybe 2 more
starting caliber RG
starting caliber LT
FS
(04-27-2020, 04:38 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]How about resigning Gipson after he gets cut? How did he play last year? Is he declining?
From Espn.com:
The Texans didn't pick a safety, instead agreeing to a one-year deal with veteran Michael Thomas after the first day of the draft. Houston still has last year's starters -- Justin Reid and Tashaun Gipson -- on the roster, but in that same news conference, O'Brien did not mention Gipson when talking about the position, instead naming every other player he thinks could contribute. -- Sarah Barshop
Gipson started 14 games for Houston in 2019 and had three interceptions and 51 total tackles.
He was placed on injured reserve before their wild-card playoff game against the
Buffalo Bills because he aggravated a transverse process fracture in his lower back and suffered a broken wrist in Week 17. He originally suffered the back injury during the season, causing him to miss two games.
(04-27-2020, 05:13 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2020, 01:52 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Caldwell didn't pick Bradley. The Khans did.
Nothing is ever Caldwell's fault.
Caldwell didn't choose Marrone so in 2 years when they finally let Marrone go we should give Caldwell a 4 year extension and let him choose his coach because he hasn't had a chance, right?
Never said he isn't to blame. But saying he wanted Bradley was inaccurate.
(04-27-2020, 03:11 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2020, 02:04 PM)JaG4LyFe Wrote: [ -> ]RG-Considering we didn't get one in the draft this has to be priority number one.
RB- With Fournette put on blast, you'd figure this position gets addressed rather quickly.
CB2- As the roster stands, it's Herndon and Hayden vying for CB2. There's something very unsettling about that.
OC- Linder is not getting any younger, his best days are behind him.
LT- Only because I want to see how Cam looks post injury. Could be number one.
TE- It made sense not to address this position in the draft. I definitely see them trimming the fat here next offseason, make or break season for all the TEs rostered.
FS- Historically this franchise has been weak at this position. Upgrade would be great but not really necessary.
OT- Swing tackle just in case of a major injury. If one of the tackles goes down it's 2018 all over.
What are the repercussions of just flat out cutting Myles Jack next offseason? 17mil seems like a lot to pay a weakside LB?
You say this like he’s approaching retirement age.
He just turned 28 and is in his prime
He's a beat up 28 though. Last year was the first time in his six year career that he was finally able to finish a full 16 game season. Going to throw another alarming statistic out there for those who thought passing up on top tier offensive lineman in this year's draft was a great idea?
Taylor - 15 penalties last year for 120 yards. 2nd most penalized in the NFL.
Linder - 10 penalties last year for 89 yards. 10th most penalized in the NFL.
Robinson - 10 penalties last year for 67 yards. Also tied for 10th most penalties in the NFL.
We were the ONLY team to have three offensive lineman inside the top 10 in penalties last year. They combined for roughly 29% of the entire team's penalties last year. These guys (with the exception of Taylor) can seldom stay healthy, cost us on critical 3rd downs or would be touchdowns, yet, we're supposed to believe Marrone when he says "we good" going into 2020 along the offensive trench.
This isn't counting the pressures, blow up's in the backfield that led to no push in the ground game, the missed blocks that led to Foles early departure from the team and the hits that Minshew absorbed that ended up putting him in a knee brace and banging up his groin at one point.
We'll see how it shakes out this year. But they're really pushing it by not adding enough quality depth to compensate for these guys.
(04-27-2020, 05:33 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2020, 03:11 PM)knarnn Wrote: [ -> ]You say this like he’s approaching retirement age.
He just turned 28 and is in his prime
He's a beat up 28 though. Last year was the first time in his six year career that he was finally able to finish a full 16 game season. Going to throw another alarming statistic out there for those who thought passing up on top tier offensive lineman in this year's draft was a great idea?
Taylor - 15 penalties last year for 120 yards. 2nd most penalized in the NFL.
Linder - 10 penalties last year for 89 yards. 10th most penalized in the NFL.
Robinson - 10 penalties last year for 67 yards. Also tied for 10th most penalties in the NFL.
We were the ONLY team to have three offensive lineman inside the top 10 in penalties last year. They combined for roughly 29% of the entire team's penalties last year. These guys (with the exception of Taylor) can seldom stay healthy, cost us on critical 3rd downs or would be touchdowns, yet, we're supposed to believe Marrone when he says "we good" going into 2020 along the offensive trench.
This isn't counting the pressures, blow up's in the backfield that led to no push in the ground game, the missed blocks that led to Foles early departure from the team and the hits that Minshew absorbed that ended up putting him in a knee brace and banging up his groin at one point.
We'll see how it shakes out this year. But they're really pushing it by not adding enough quality depth to compensate for these guys.
I like Marrone. He's a coach. He's a guy. Vastly better than Bradley. But when I heard him say the other night that Warhop is one of the best O-line coaches in the league I almost choked. You've got to be kidding! Warhop has done very little winning in this league other than his stop in Dallas. And Marrone is an O-line coach. How is it that we have had a putrid OL ever since Doug has been here?
(04-27-2020, 05:40 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2020, 05:33 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]He's a beat up 28 though. Last year was the first time in his six year career that he was finally able to finish a full 16 game season. Going to throw another alarming statistic out there for those who thought passing up on top tier offensive lineman in this year's draft was a great idea?
Taylor - 15 penalties last year for 120 yards. 2nd most penalized in the NFL.
Linder - 10 penalties last year for 89 yards. 10th most penalized in the NFL.
Robinson - 10 penalties last year for 67 yards. Also tied for 10th most penalties in the NFL.
We were the ONLY team to have three offensive lineman inside the top 10 in penalties last year. They combined for roughly 29% of the entire team's penalties last year. These guys (with the exception of Taylor) can seldom stay healthy, cost us on critical 3rd downs or would be touchdowns, yet, we're supposed to believe Marrone when he says "we good" going into 2020 along the offensive trench.
This isn't counting the pressures, blow up's in the backfield that led to no push in the ground game, the missed blocks that led to Foles early departure from the team and the hits that Minshew absorbed that ended up putting him in a knee brace and banging up his groin at one point.
We'll see how it shakes out this year. But they're really pushing it by not adding enough quality depth to compensate for these guys.
I like Marrone. He's a coach. He's a guy. Vastly better than Bradley. But when I heard him say the other night that Warhop is one of the best O-line coaches in the league I almost choked. You've got to be kidding! Warhop has done very little winning in this league other than his stop in Dallas. And Marrone is an O-line coach. How is it that we have had a putrid OL ever since Doug has been here?
That right there in bold! That last part. That's unforgivable. He made his bread and butter for YEARS doing that for a living and it's been one of THE weakest and most inconsistent aspects of this football team since he's been here.
It's just a strange, strange thing. Kind of like how Brian Billick earned his coaching job in Baltimore after having tremendous success on offense with the Vikings in the mid - late 90's only to see his team win off the backs of one of the greatest defenses of all time in SPITE of atrocious QB play between Banks and Dilfer that year.
(04-27-2020, 05:48 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2020, 05:40 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]I like Marrone. He's a coach. He's a guy. Vastly better than Bradley. But when I heard him say the other night that Warhop is one of the best O-line coaches in the league I almost choked. You've got to be kidding! Warhop has done very little winning in this league other than his stop in Dallas. And Marrone is an O-line coach. How is it that we have had a putrid OL ever since Doug has been here?
That right there in bold! That last part. That's unforgivable. He made his bread and butter for YEARS doing that for a living and it's been one of THE weakest and most inconsistent aspects of this football team since he's been here.
It's just a strange, strange thing. Kind of like how Brian Billick earned his coaching job in Baltimore after having tremendous success on offense with the Vikings in the mid - late 90's only to see his team win off the backs of one of the greatest defenses of all time in SPITE of atrocious QB play between Banks and Dilfer that year.
Or when Mike McCarthy got the Green Bay job after having the worst offense in the NFL when he was with the 49ers.
(04-27-2020, 06:19 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2020, 05:33 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Never said he isn't to blame. But saying he wanted Bradley was inaccurate.
As much as I'd like to give Caldwell a pass here, this makes no sense. As best as I can remember (admittedly a bit foggy) everything I read back then said that the head coach choice, and whether or not to keep Mularkey, would be Caldwell's. I don't see why Khan would not defer to an expert. After all, that was what the Coughlin hiring was about, having another expert take over Khan's role. If a new owner were to pick a head coach I'd say the odds are that he's pick someone who already had a record as a HC.
Do you have a link that says it was Khan's pick?
All reports I have ever read said that Caldwell wanted Mike Smith but Khan wanted Bradley because of his enthusiasm.
I don't get where people think Caldwell is a good drafter. His draft history of top 10 picks is horrible - worse than Matt Millen, generally regarded as the worst GM in NFL history. He's whiffed on QB's repeatedly, and very few of his draft picks are still on the roster.
With losing seasons in 7 of 8 years, if the GM isn't accountable - who is?
(04-27-2020, 06:46 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]I don't get where people think Caldwell is a good drafter. His draft history of top 10 picks is horrible - worse than Matt Millen, generally regarded as the worst GM in NFL history. He's whiffed on QB's repeatedly, and very few of his draft picks are still on the roster.
With losing seasons in 7 of 8 years, if the GM isn't accountable - who is?
He missed on a QB once. He has only selected one QB with the intent of them being the future starter of the team.
(04-27-2020, 06:19 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2020, 05:33 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Never said he isn't to blame. But saying he wanted Bradley was inaccurate.
As much as I'd like to give Caldwell a pass here, this makes no sense. As best as I can remember (admittedly a bit foggy) everything I read back then said that the head coach choice, and whether or not to keep Mularkey, would be Caldwell's. I don't see why Khan would not defer to an expert. After all, that was what the Coughlin hiring was about, having another expert take over Khan's role. If a new owner were to pick a head coach I'd say the odds are that he's pick someone who already had a record as a HC.
Do you have a link that says it was Khan's pick?
There was an interview Caldwell gave after Gus's departure wherein he made it clear that the Bradley hire was a decision made jointly with he and the Khans. His made it clear he didn't have the final say there and it definitely seemed he was saying Gus wasn't his first choice without coming right out and trashing the guy. The article was posted here and discussed in several threads that offseason and more than a few times since.
(04-27-2020, 12:26 PM)ATLjag Wrote: [ -> ]RB (3rd down) ...my biggest surprise from the draft was DC not selecting a change of pace/3rd down back for Gruden's offense. I still think they will find one in free agency or camp cuts.
QB (backup) ...team is one snap away from Dobbs or Luton being the starter.
That's what I was hoping for, 4th round and beyond. I share your surprise.