First it's "Defund the Police", Now it's "Military recruitment".......
Miss AOC must want to leave this country Lawless and defenseless......
She better stick to tending bar because her ideas are whacko......
(08-01-2020, 01:53 AM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]First it's "Defund the Police", Now it's "Military recruitment".......
Miss AOC must want to leave this country Lawless and defenseless......
She better stick to tending bar because her ideas are whacko......
She's just another idiot from the far left who babbles out the first inane thought that pops into her head. None of them are bright enough to understand the (very obvious) ramifications of their "plans".
The problem with the AOC’s of the world is they live in a fantasy world. I am sure she believes her brand of socialism will be different than ever other brand before. Her and her ilk refuse to acknowledge human nature. The haves will always want more regardless of who the haves are.
(07-31-2020, 07:59 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2020, 06:27 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Try again snowflake.
1. We currently only have 12 active carriers. 12 - 5 != 14. You also have no idea what the deployment/maintenance/training/work-up cycle is for not only the ship, but the aircraft that operate on it. One other thing to think about... the aircraft carrier is one of the reasons why we won the war in the Pacific back in WWII.
2. We are discussing the military here, not law enforcement.
3. The National Guard is a reserve component of the military. Their primary job is to augment active duty units. If one wants to volunteer to be one of the people who responds during floods, earthquakes and hurricanes perhaps the Red Cross or some other organization would be the better choice. Trust me. When I hear the gunfire and the explosions that take place at Camp Blanding it isn't because they are training for natural disasters. The Air National Guard doesn't fly F-15's out of Jaxport to fight fires.
1) the wasp class ships carry airplanes. So they are also aircraft carriers.
2) our coast guard service members may be surprised to hear you say that they're not in the military. Law enforcement officers can typically quit at any time. Members of the coast guard are enlisted, just like our soldiers and the army, just like our sailors in the Navy. They can't quit until their contract is up. If they try, they are liable to get imprisoned.
3) I agree we need a group of part-time soldiers who are learning the same stuff that our full-time soldiers learn, and ready to go for foreign wars. But if you made me king for a day, I would call that army reserve, and Navy reserve, and air Force reserve only. I don't understand why we need to rope our National guardsmen into that as well. and I don't think saying "go to the red Cross" is a solution either. The red Cross doesn't set up roadblocks and they don't carry weapons. The red Cross alone cannot adequately respond to natural disasters.
While an amphibious assault ship, or gator freighter in Navy parlance, does carry aircraft, its mission is far less reaching and dynamic as a traditional angle-decked aircraft carrier. Amphibious assault ships are designed to embark a contingent of Marines and deploy them on land while providing close air support with specific missions in mind. They are not free ranging ships which can project power on a global scale with little to no advance mission planning like an aircraft carrier. There's a huge strategic and tactical difference between the two.
(08-01-2020, 09:01 AM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]The problem with the AOC’s of the world is they live in a fantasy world. I am sure she believes her brand of socialism will be different than ever other brand before. Her and her ilk refuse to acknowledge human nature. The haves will always want more regardless of who the haves are.
She's the kind of idiot, like our Aussie friend, who believes that taking away the guns also eliminates the crime.
(07-31-2020, 07:59 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2020, 06:27 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Try again snowflake.
1. We currently only have 12 active carriers. 12 - 5 != 14. You also have no idea what the deployment/maintenance/training/work-up cycle is for not only the ship, but the aircraft that operate on it. One other thing to think about... the aircraft carrier is one of the reasons why we won the war in the Pacific back in WWII.
2. We are discussing the military here, not law enforcement.
3. The National Guard is a reserve component of the military. Their primary job is to augment active duty units. If one wants to volunteer to be one of the people who responds during floods, earthquakes and hurricanes perhaps the Red Cross or some other organization would be the better choice. Trust me. When I hear the gunfire and the explosions that take place at Camp Blanding it isn't because they are training for natural disasters. The Air National Guard doesn't fly F-15's out of Jaxport to fight fires.
1) the wasp class ships carry airplanes. So they are also aircraft carriers.
2) our coast guard service members may be surprised to hear you say that they're not in the military. Law enforcement officers can typically quit at any time. Members of the coast guard are enlisted, just like our soldiers and the army, just like our sailors in the Navy. They can't quit until their contract is up. If they try, they are liable to get imprisoned.
3) I agree we need a group of part-time soldiers who are learning the same stuff that our full-time soldiers learn, and ready to go for foreign wars. But if you made me king for a day, I would call that army reserve, and Navy reserve, and air Force reserve only. I don't understand why we need to rope our National guardsmen into that as well. and I don't think saying "go to the red Cross" is a solution either. The red Cross doesn't set up roadblocks and they don't carry weapons. The red Cross alone cannot adequately respond to natural disasters.
Once again your ignorance is glaring.
1. An amphibious ship is not an aircraft carrier and doesn't have the firepower that a real aircraft carrier has. The mission(s) of the two types of ships are not the same.
2. While yes there is an enlistment for certain members of the Coast Guard, again their mission is primarily law enforcement. They do not fall under DoD. They used to be assigned to the DOT and have since been moved to DHS. Customs and Border Patrol operate in the same fashion. That's why the CBP officers that come to our building are allowed to be armed. They are LAW ENFORCEMENT.
3. Contrary to your wishes, you are not "king" (or queen for that matter). There is a reason why it's called The
Army National Guard,
Air Force National Guard, etc. They are the reserve component to augment active duty units. When is the last time that the Air Force National Guard set up a roadblock during a national disaster? What did they use? F-15's? F-16's?
(08-01-2020, 03:47 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (07-31-2020, 07:59 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]1) the wasp class ships carry airplanes. So they are also aircraft carriers.
2) our coast guard service members may be surprised to hear you say that they're not in the military. Law enforcement officers can typically quit at any time. Members of the coast guard are enlisted, just like our soldiers and the army, just like our sailors in the Navy. They can't quit until their contract is up. If they try, they are liable to get imprisoned.
3) I agree we need a group of part-time soldiers who are learning the same stuff that our full-time soldiers learn, and ready to go for foreign wars. But if you made me king for a day, I would call that army reserve, and Navy reserve, and air Force reserve only. I don't understand why we need to rope our National guardsmen into that as well. and I don't think saying "go to the red Cross" is a solution either. The red Cross doesn't set up roadblocks and they don't carry weapons. The red Cross alone cannot adequately respond to natural disasters.
Once again your ignorance is glaring.
1. An amphibious ship is not an aircraft carrier and doesn't have the firepower that a real aircraft carrier has. The mission(s) of the two types of ships are not the same.
2. While yes there is an enlistment for certain members of the Coast Guard, again their mission is primarily law enforcement. They do not fall under DoD. They used to be assigned to the DOT and have since been moved to DHS. Customs and Border Patrol operate in the same fashion. That's why the CBP officers that come to our building are allowed to be armed. They are LAW ENFORCEMENT.
3. Contrary to your wishes, you are not "king" (or queen for that matter). There is a reason why it's called The Army National Guard, Air Force National Guard, etc. They are the reserve component to augment active duty units. When is the last time that the Air Force National Guard set up a roadblock during a national disaster? What did they use? F-15's? F-16's?
To paraphrase Lucky2Last's post about IQ, you just can't understand beyond your paradigm.
I didn't say I wished to be king.
I said, if I was king, I would more clearly separate the national guard's role from the reserves' role. I stated the role of our reservists correctly, and I wouldn't change it.
I know the AF Reserve doesn't set up roadblocks. The national guard does. That's good. The problem is, both the AF Reserve and the national guard got shipped to Iraq. Only the AF Reserve should have been sent to Iraq, or any other foreign war. The national guard should always stay within US states and territories.
(08-01-2020, 07:06 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-01-2020, 03:47 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Once again your ignorance is glaring.
1. An amphibious ship is not an aircraft carrier and doesn't have the firepower that a real aircraft carrier has. The mission(s) of the two types of ships are not the same.
2. While yes there is an enlistment for certain members of the Coast Guard, again their mission is primarily law enforcement. They do not fall under DoD. They used to be assigned to the DOT and have since been moved to DHS. Customs and Border Patrol operate in the same fashion. That's why the CBP officers that come to our building are allowed to be armed. They are LAW ENFORCEMENT.
3. Contrary to your wishes, you are not "king" (or queen for that matter). There is a reason why it's called The Army National Guard, Air Force National Guard, etc. They are the reserve component to augment active duty units. When is the last time that the Air Force National Guard set up a roadblock during a national disaster? What did they use? F-15's? F-16's?
To paraphrase Lucky2Last's post about IQ, you just can't understand beyond your paradigm.
I didn't say I wished to be king.
I said, if I was king, I would more clearly separate the national guard's role from the reserves' role. I stated the role of our reservists correctly, and I wouldn't change it.
I know the AF Reserve doesn't set up roadblocks. The national guard does. That's good. The problem is, both the AF Reserve and the national guard got shipped to Iraq. Only the AF Reserve should have been sent to Iraq, or any other foreign war. The national guard should always stay within US states and territories.
I'm not sure you fully understand the functions of Guards and Reserves. Their level of training and the roles they contribute in domestic and overseas contingencies is very different.
(08-01-2020, 07:55 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (08-01-2020, 07:06 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]To paraphrase Lucky2Last's post about IQ, you just can't understand beyond your paradigm.
I didn't say I wished to be king.
I said, if I was king, I would more clearly separate the national guard's role from the reserves' role. I stated the role of our reservists correctly, and I wouldn't change it.
I know the AF Reserve doesn't set up roadblocks. The national guard does. That's good. The problem is, both the AF Reserve and the national guard got shipped to Iraq. Only the AF Reserve should have been sent to Iraq, or any other foreign war. The national guard should always stay within US states and territories.
I'm not sure you fully understand the functions of Guards and Reserves. Their level of training and the roles they contribute in domestic and overseas contingencies is very different.
The only overseas contingency that the US National guard should ever be involved in is an emergency in a US territory such as Puerto Rico or American Samoa.
If we ever need to set up a roadblock in Baghdad again, it can be done with army or Marines or even private contractors. Even if it's beneath their training. Just not the National guard.
(08-01-2020, 08:33 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (08-01-2020, 08:25 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The only overseas contingency that the US National guard should ever be involved in is an emergency in a US territory such as Puerto Rico or American Samoa.
If we ever need to set up a roadblock in Baghdad again, it can be done with army or Marines or even private contractors. Even if it's beneath their training. Just not the National guard.
Why not?
because there should be a way to sign up to serve your country, without writing a blank check for some new crazy president to send you off to an adventure in a sandbox somewhere that we shouldn't be in.
(08-01-2020, 08:25 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-01-2020, 07:55 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure you fully understand the functions of Guards and Reserves. Their level of training and the roles they contribute in domestic and overseas contingencies is very different.
The only overseas contingency that the US National guard should ever be involved in is an emergency in a US territory such as Puerto Rico or American Samoa.
If we ever need to set up a roadblock in Baghdad again, it can be done with army or Marines or even private contractors. Even if it's beneath their training. Just not the National guard.
Dude. Shut up. You have never served and don't know what you're talking about. I'm an Army veteran and don't know exactly what Jagibelieve and Homebicuit are saying (regarding ships and other Navy stuff) because the Navy and Marine Corps speak a very different language than the Army. But I know they know what they're talking about and are making you look like an idiot.
The Coast Guard is not military. They are not Department of Defense. They are Homeland Security. Their job is vital to our nation but they are not technically military and the 23 year old Guardsman I know who is stationed in Florida would tell you the same thing.
So please, be quiet. Unless you want to continue being made to look foolish, in which case carry on.
(08-01-2020, 11:57 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (08-01-2020, 09:01 AM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]The problem with the AOC’s of the world is they live in a fantasy world. I am sure she believes her brand of socialism will be different than ever other brand before. Her and her ilk refuse to acknowledge human nature. The haves will always want more regardless of who the haves are.
She's the kind of idiot, like our Aussie friend, who believes that taking away the guns also eliminates the crime.
When did anyone ever say reducing guns eliminates crime?
It would make for a much better society and definitely reduce shootings but it will not eliminate crime that's an unrealistic goal.
most of the military are too dim to have real jobs so I don't blame America for giving them a leg up
(08-02-2020, 12:41 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]most of the military are too dim to have real jobs so I don't blame America for giving them a leg up
Most military veterans are better equipped to succeed in life than the average college grad.
Your disdain for us continues to convince me some US sailor stole your girl.
(08-01-2020, 11:32 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-01-2020, 08:25 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The only overseas contingency that the US National guard should ever be involved in is an emergency in a US territory such as Puerto Rico or American Samoa.
If we ever need to set up a roadblock in Baghdad again, it can be done with army or Marines or even private contractors. Even if it's beneath their training. Just not the National guard.
Dude. Shut up. You have never served and don't know what you're talking about. I'm an Army veteran and don't know exactly what Jagibelieve and Homebicuit are saying (regarding ships and other Navy stuff) because the Navy and Marine Corps speak a very different language than the Army. But I know they know what they're talking about and are making you look like an idiot.
The Coast Guard is not military. They are not Department of Defense. They are Homeland Security. Their job is vital to our nation but they are not technically military and the 23 year old Guardsman I know who is stationed in Florida would tell you the same thing.
So please, be quiet. Unless you want to continue being made to look foolish, in which case carry on.
JIB is mistaking terms of art for meaningful knowledge. So are you.
Someone on a ship might have laughed at him or kicked him his first day when he asked about the restroom or the cafeteria. "You fool! This ship doesn't have a restroom! It's called the head! And there is no cafeteria! We eat in the galley!" This in word / out word stuff builds comraderie, but it's not knowledge. Knowledge is knowing that if you're going to be out to sea for weeks, so there must be a place to go to the bathroom and a place to eat. Jargon is what do you call those places without getting laughed at.
Obviously the angled deck carrier with F-18s is going to get different missions than the smaller ship that carries F-35Bs. I said they're basically the same thing, and you're insisting that they're totally different things, but my point is that we have more than enough of each. We have 10 or 11 angled deck carriers. France, the UK, and Russia each have one. China has one or two.
(08-02-2020, 12:41 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]most of the military are too dim to have real jobs so I don't blame America for giving them a leg up
When you say "the", are you speaking for your foreign military who probably gets hand-me'down planes and uniforms from our military?
(08-02-2020, 08:36 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-01-2020, 11:32 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]Dude. Shut up. You have never served and don't know what you're talking about. I'm an Army veteran and don't know exactly what Jagibelieve and Homebicuit are saying (regarding ships and other Navy stuff) because the Navy and Marine Corps speak a very different language than the Army. But I know they know what they're talking about and are making you look like an idiot.
The Coast Guard is not military. They are not Department of Defense. They are Homeland Security. Their job is vital to our nation but they are not technically military and the 23 year old Guardsman I know who is stationed in Florida would tell you the same thing.
So please, be quiet. Unless you want to continue being made to look foolish, in which case carry on.
JIB is mistaking terms of art for meaningful knowledge. So are you.
Someone on a ship might have laughed at him or kicked him his first day when he asked about the restroom or the cafeteria. "You fool! This ship doesn't have a restroom! It's called the head! And there is no cafeteria! We eat in the galley!" This in word / out word stuff builds comraderie, but it's not knowledge. Knowledge is knowing that if you're going to be out to sea for weeks, so there must be a place to go to the bathroom and a place to eat. Jargon is what do you call those places without getting laughed at.
Obviously the angled deck carrier with F-18s is going to get different missions than the smaller ship that carries F-35Bs. I said they're basically the same thing, and you're insisting that they're totally different things, but my point is that we have more than enough of each. We have 10 or 11 angled deck carriers. France, the UK, and Russia each have one. China has one or two.
LOL. Your ignorance is sad, yet comical at the same time.