(08-29-2020, 11:19 AM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2020, 10:16 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]The media is going full bore to create a Biden win, that's for sure. Louisiana has been walloped by hurricane and there's hardly a word of it.
What are you watching? The hurricane has been covered extensively by CNN and MSNBC.
Besides, what do you think Trump wanted covered, the hurricane or his extravagant super spreader nomination celebration on Federal property?
Now do the march on Washington "super spreader" event.... We will wait...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/march-on-wa...020-08-28/
(08-29-2020, 10:40 AM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2020, 08:34 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]
Absentee is a different process. You request a ballot.
Only 9 states and D.C. will automatically mail a ballot to every registered voter this year, 2 states and D.C. doing so for the first time. Every other state requires a request for an absentee ballot. There have been no significant issues in the 6 states where the ballots are automatically mailed to voters process was already in place due to stringent verification policies. Fraud is rare because it is a felony, and because it requires extensive knowledge of a true registered voter's personal information and signature to pull it off. Just because someone receives a ballot in the mail doesn't mean it's automatically counted when returned. A bigger issue is ballot rejection, about 1% nationally but 5% in some states.
Mail-in voting terrifies Trump because the more people vote, the less likely Republicans win. His objections have nothing to do with possible fraud or untimely results.
I'm in a wait and see mode for the mail-in ballots. My biggest concern is not fraud but provisional ballots. Ballots going to old addresses may not invite widespread fraud, but what about the people those ballots were intended for? They haven't received their ballots so they go through the process of casting a provisional ballot and that in turn creates more delay, more discord and more opportunities for 'suddenly found' ballots. Both sides will attempt to leverage the confusion to their side. It's going to be ugly.
(08-29-2020, 11:19 AM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2020, 10:16 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]The media is going full bore to create a Biden win, that's for sure. Louisiana has been walloped by hurricane and there's hardly a word of it.
What are you watching? The hurricane has been covered extensively by CNN and MSNBC.
Besides, what do you think Trump wanted covered, the hurricane or his extravagant super spreader nomination celebration on Federal property?
That was the wrong way for me to describe it. It's not wall-to-wall as one this large is normally covered.
Where did you go RJ? I was hoping to get your immediate feedback on the "super spreader" march. I guess I will come back later and check.
(08-29-2020, 11:21 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2020, 11:19 AM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]What are you watching? The hurricane has been covered extensively by CNN and MSNBC.
Besides, what do you think Trump wanted covered, the hurricane or his extravagant super spreader nomination celebration on Federal property?
Now do the march on Washington "super spreader" event.... We will wait...
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/march-on-wa...020-08-28/
Yep, I agree, they were taking a risk. They were also required to wear masks, temperatures were taken, hand sanitizers were made available, and social distancing was demonstrated and encouraged. As the crowd grew the distancing was hard to maintain. I believe all those on stage were tested. It wasn't perfect, but they at least recognized the risk and encouraged safety.
Contrast this with removing social distancing placards at the Tulsa rally and booing an announcement asking people to wear masks at an airport hangar rally. All that after 4 days of people lying about the pandemic and Trump's response to same.
(08-29-2020, 11:33 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Where did you go RJ? I was hoping to get your immediate feedback on the "super spreader" march. I guess I will come back later and check.
I'm right here SC1, but there's one thing you should know. I don't value your opinion enough to worry too much about quickly responding to your drivel.
(08-29-2020, 11:41 AM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2020, 11:33 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Where did you go RJ? I was hoping to get your immediate feedback on the "super spreader" march. I guess I will come back later and check.
I'm right here SC1, but there's one thing you should know. I don't value your opinion enough to worry too much about quickly responding to your drivel.
You pretend people attending the RNC on the WH lawn weren't tested for COVID, lol.
Your drivel is part of the problem and why people don't take this virus as serious as they probably should. You people act like the virus has political beliefs and can't spread during a BLM protest.
(08-29-2020, 08:34 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2020, 08:28 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Then why is the Trump campaign running ads urging their supporters to request their mail in ballots?
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/26...all-402503
"Donald Trump Jr. is urging voters to cast absentee ballots in robocalls detected across the nation Wednesday — even as his father continues to rail against widespread mail-in voting.
The robocalls, which reference this week's Republican National Convention have been deployed in 13 states — Arizona, Florida, Iowa, New Mexico, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Virginia, Georgia, Texas and Maine — all states the Trump campaign is targeting. They indicate that either the Trump campaign or Republican National Committee has already mailed absentee-ballot requests to those being called."
I've been doing mail in voting for at least 15 years. How can you say it's not happening?
Absentee is a different process. You request a ballot.
Are you familiar with the Oregon voting process?
(08-29-2020, 08:39 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2020, 08:34 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Absentee is a different process. You request a ballot.
That's what I was talking about in my original post. Polls show that a much higher percentage of Biden supporters than Trump supporters plan to mail in their ballots. Therefore, Trump could very well end election night leading in most states, but when all the ballots are counted, including the absentee ballots that were mailed in, Biden could be the winner. And chaos ensues with a scenario straight out of a movie.
Absentee ballots have a deadline for postmark or they are not counted. You also have to request to vote absentee.
(08-29-2020, 06:00 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2020, 08:39 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]That's what I was talking about in my original post. Polls show that a much higher percentage of Biden supporters than Trump supporters plan to mail in their ballots. Therefore, Trump could very well end election night leading in most states, but when all the ballots are counted, including the absentee ballots that were mailed in, Biden could be the winner. And chaos ensues with a scenario straight out of a movie.
Absentee ballots have a deadline for postmark or they are not counted. You also have to request to vote absentee.
2 key words being REQUEST and DEADLINE.
The controversy is built in. The playbook has already been seen. If states have to throw out thousands of votes, that is also a controversy. That will be "voter suppression." If districts have abnormally high turn outs, it's going to be called fraud. I have a hard time believing that we can look at past results with any indication of what will happen this election. The stakes have never been higher in our lifetime. People have practically substituted politics for religion. The incentive to be a martyr for your cause has never been higher. People will cheat, on both sides. We should be tightening up voting measures, not relaxing restrictions.
(08-29-2020, 07:40 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]The controversy is built in. The playbook has already been seen. If states have to throw out thousands of votes, that is also a controversy. That will be "voter suppression." If districts have abnormally high turn outs, it's going to be called fraud. I have a hard time believing that we can look at past results with any indication of what will happen this election. The stakes have never been higher in our lifetime. People have practically substituted politics for religion. The incentive to be a martyr for your cause has never been higher. People will cheat, on both sides. We should be tightening up voting measures, not relaxing restrictions.
Agreed. I am at a loss as to why having to get up off your butt to go to a polling place, presenting an ID is voter suppression.
The democrats have screamed fraud for nearly 4 years and now want to send blank ballots out with next to no tracking and are just fine with that?
(08-29-2020, 08:02 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2020, 07:40 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]The controversy is built in. The playbook has already been seen. If states have to throw out thousands of votes, that is also a controversy. That will be "voter suppression." If districts have abnormally high turn outs, it's going to be called fraud. I have a hard time believing that we can look at past results with any indication of what will happen this election. The stakes have never been higher in our lifetime. People have practically substituted politics for religion. The incentive to be a martyr for your cause has never been higher. People will cheat, on both sides. We should be tightening up voting measures, not relaxing restrictions.
Agreed. I am at a loss as to why having to get up off your butt to go to a polling place, presenting an ID is voter suppression.
The democrats have screamed fraud for nearly 4 years and now want to send blank ballots out with next to no tracking and are just fine with that?
Depends what your working hours are and what your transportation options are. Also depends how long the lines are.
(08-29-2020, 08:13 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2020, 08:02 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. I am at a loss as to why having to get up off your butt to go to a polling place, presenting an ID is voter suppression.
The democrats have screamed fraud for nearly 4 years and now want to send blank ballots out with next to no tracking and are just fine with that?
Depends what your working hours are and what your transportation options are. Also depends how long the lines are.
I work 11 hour days and have never had an issue voting. The polls are not even open when I leave my house and still have no issue voting.
Yes, voting is a right but is also a privilege. Being a little inconvenienced one day a year to have a voice in how your government works is such a small price to pay. Americans have become so spoiled we no longer realize the honor and privilege we have when we cast our ballot.
(08-29-2020, 11:50 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2020, 11:41 AM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ]I'm right here SC1, but there's one thing you should know. I don't value your opinion enough to worry too much about quickly responding to your drivel.
You pretend people attending the RNC on the WH lawn weren't tested for COVID, lol.
Your drivel is part of the problem and why people don't take this virus as serious as they probably should. You people act like the virus has political beliefs and can't spread during a BLM protest.
I didn't pretend anything, only those who were in the front rows were tested.
Are you [BLEEP] kidding me? People like me are why people don't take this virus seriously? Of course it can spread, that's why nearly everyone was wearing a mask. Were masks encouraged at Trump's event?
Jesus [BLEEP] Christ, the lies that escape your pie-hole rival Trump's.
(08-29-2020, 08:02 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2020, 07:40 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]The controversy is built in. The playbook has already been seen. If states have to throw out thousands of votes, that is also a controversy. That will be "voter suppression." If districts have abnormally high turn outs, it's going to be called fraud. I have a hard time believing that we can look at past results with any indication of what will happen this election. The stakes have never been higher in our lifetime. People have practically substituted politics for religion. The incentive to be a martyr for your cause has never been higher. People will cheat, on both sides. We should be tightening up voting measures, not relaxing restrictions.
Agreed. I am at a loss as to why having to get up off your butt to go to a polling place, presenting an ID is voter suppression.
The democrats have screamed fraud for nearly 4 years and now want to send blank ballots out with next to no tracking and are just fine with that?
What is sent out is irrelevant. It's how they are handled when they are returned is relevant. Signatures and personal information must match. It is incredibly difficult to cheat on a mass scale.
Where there's a will, there's a way. Plus, it doesn't matter. If they have to throw out thousands of votes for information that doesn't match, you don't think that's going to be a HUGE issue?
(08-29-2020, 09:36 PM)rollerjag Wrote: [ -> ] (08-29-2020, 08:02 PM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. I am at a loss as to why having to get up off your butt to go to a polling place, presenting an ID is voter suppression.
The democrats have screamed fraud for nearly 4 years and now want to send blank ballots out with next to no tracking and are just fine with that?
What is sent out is irrelevant. It's how they are handled when they are returned is relevant. Signatures and personal information must match. It is incredibly difficult to cheat on a mass scale.
2 democrat votes are not counted because they arrived late, Trump wins by 1 vote. Still feel the same way?