It's fortunate that I'm not in Caldwell's shoes because I would've made him sit out the 2020 season and think about why he was actually mad.
W/that being said, I'm ecstatic that it's over and we as a TEAM can move on...
NH3...
I’m thinking some of this new salary cap money will go towards a contract extension for LT Cam Robinson
(08-30-2020, 12:15 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]Yannick is the biggest loser in the end. Let pride cost him 20 million. At least we can now move on. Getting rid of the negative energy was important. Now we can look to the future. Yannick was not playing this year for us, and there is a lot of uncertainty with covid. Getting a second is not the worst outcome. Do I hate to lose him? Yes, But keeping him was not an option.
I don't understand what you mean by his pride costing him 20 million -- he still gets paid plus he's playing for a much better team, greater defense, with a lot of positive energy in Minnesota. We're pretty much the losers here in Jacksonville as we lost another talented player and will surely continue to lose as we have the past decade (being the 2nd worst team in the NFL by win/loss record over the past 10 years. We do have a pretty cool beach here and a lot nicer weather in the winter though.
(08-30-2020, 08:40 AM)jagsfan06 Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder what we do with the extra $17.8 million in cap space?
I'd like to see Khan using it in attempt to acquire Lionel Messi for Fulham FC
Hopefully Josh Allen can take that next step because he has to do it all by himself now.
(08-30-2020, 03:38 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Hopefully Josh Allen can take that next step because he has to do it all by himself now.
The only problem is players like this can be double teamed since we lack talent across the board, so Allen may be less effective as a result.
(08-30-2020, 03:40 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2020, 03:38 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Hopefully Josh Allen can take that next step because he has to do it all by himself now.
The only problem is players like this can be double teamed since we lack talent across the board, so Allen may be less effective as a result.
Oh he's definitely going to be less effective. He had Campbell and Ngakoue playing next to him, now he has.... well.. yea about that..
(08-30-2020, 03:18 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor Lawrence
Hopefully, Minshew or even Luton can be the franchise QB we need and we won't have to trade up. I'm expecting around 5 wins this year which means we'd likely have to trade both first rounders and something else to move up to #1 for Lawrence. I'd rather get a LT in round 1. Penei Sewell or Liam Eichenberg would be my targets.
(08-30-2020, 03:30 PM)jagsfan06 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m thinking some of this new salary cap money will go towards a contract extension for LT Cam Robinson
??????? Are you crazy??????? He's done nothing to deserve a contract extension. I want a new LT in the first round of the 2021 draft.
(08-30-2020, 03:31 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2020, 12:15 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]Yannick is the biggest loser in the end. Let pride cost him 20 million. At least we can now move on. Getting rid of the negative energy was important. Now we can look to the future. Yannick was not playing this year for us, and there is a lot of uncertainty with covid. Getting a second is not the worst outcome. Do I hate to lose him? Yes, But keeping him was not an option.
I don't understand what you mean by his pride costing him 20 million -- he still gets paid plus he's playing for a much better team, greater defense, with a lot of positive energy in Minnesota. We're pretty much the losers here in Jacksonville as we lost another talented player and will surely continue to lose as we have the past decade (being the 2nd worst team in the NFL by win/loss record over the past 10 years. We do have a pretty cool beach here and a lot nicer weather in the winter though.
I agree.
(08-30-2020, 03:38 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Hopefully Josh Allen can take that next step because he has to do it all by himself now.
It's gonna be a lot harder for him. I can see offenses double teaming him on every play now. He's the only real pass rushing threat we have.
(08-30-2020, 03:30 PM)jagsfan06 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m thinking some of this new salary cap money will go towards a contract extension for LT Cam Robinson
Agreed, I think Cam has a career year
(08-30-2020, 11:38 AM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Caldwell is garbage. What is the sense on acquiring talent if you can't keep it here.
He has had so many failures he finally got 2 picks right. Just to get rid of them for more hopeful draft picks. This team stays in rebuilding mode under Caldwell.
His drafting is generally okay.
It's player retention he needs to improve.
(08-30-2020, 11:19 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Oh this year can [BLEEP] right off
And that's it folks. 3 years and its ALL gone. Thanks Yan, a joy to see you grow, wish we could have kept him but why waste your career with these coaches and FO.
And a 2nd and 5th rounder. Wow, Caldwell is a genius 
Dont worry, I'm sure we can draft someone 'just as good' and wait the 4 years for them to become a force.
The amount of talent we have shipped out of here.
I can relate, dude.
There is zero reason that nucleus of that 2017 team should be virtually obliterated by 2020.
I could see Poz gone.
I could even see Malik, Dareus, Church and Gipson gone too. Maybe even Calais given his age and salary.
But Telvin, Jalen, and now Yan?
They should still be here, and we should be building a better team around them.
(08-30-2020, 03:42 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2020, 03:40 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]The only problem is players like this can be double teamed since we lack talent across the board, so Allen may be less effective as a result.
Oh he's definitely going to be less effective. He had Campbell and Ngakoue playing next to him, now he has.... well.. yea about that..
I guaran-damn-tee that when his contract comes up, fans are going to hold that wholly understandable drop against him, and will end up calling him the same things they called EVERY SINGLE PLAYER who had a contract issue with this team.
(08-30-2020, 04:46 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2020, 03:30 PM)jagsfan06 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m thinking some of this new salary cap money will go towards a contract extension for LT Cam Robinson
Agreed, I think Cam has a career year
I hope you guys are right.
I was high on him especially when he was still there in the second. I thought he played decently enough as a rookie.
But then his second year is when he blew out his knee, and last year he came back, though it was clear his knee was not fully healed.
So now, presumably he has health, and now he is definitely more experienced.
Still don't trust Warhop though.
(08-30-2020, 05:18 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2020, 11:19 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Oh this year can [BLEEP] right off
And that's it folks. 3 years and its ALL gone. Thanks Yan, a joy to see you grow, wish we could have kept him but why waste your career with these coaches and FO.
And a 2nd and 5th rounder. Wow, Caldwell is a genius
Dont worry, I'm sure we can draft someone 'just as good' and wait the 4 years for them to become a force.
The amount of talent we have shipped out of here.
I can relate, dude.
There is zero reason that nucleus of that 2017 team should be virtually obliterated by 2020.
I could see Poz gone.
I could even see Malik, Dareus, Church and Gipson gone too. Maybe even Calais given his age and salary.
But Telvin, Jalen, and now Yan?
They should still be here, and we should be building a better team around them.
(08-30-2020, 03:42 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Oh he's definitely going to be less effective. He had Campbell and Ngakoue playing next to him, now he has.... well.. yea about that..
I guaran-damn-tee that when his contract comes up, fans are going to hold that wholly understandable drop against him, and will end up calling him the same things they called EVERY SINGLE PLAYER who had a contract issue with this team.
Thanks bud. The thought that eats my brain, could you imagine Minshew with that D!! Oh man, that team would be so much fun. It's the way of the NFL sadly, new team every year but sad to see so many young players want out so badly. That 2017 team and the City really started to bond. That game against Seattle was truly special.
It's only really Jack and Norwell that are our big ticket items now. Chark and Dede look keepers, hopefully Minshew and if we can just get some of these 2nd and 3rd year guys to step up then it's not complete disaster!
(08-30-2020, 05:18 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2020, 11:19 AM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Oh this year can [BLEEP] right off
And that's it folks. 3 years and its ALL gone. Thanks Yan, a joy to see you grow, wish we could have kept him but why waste your career with these coaches and FO.
And a 2nd and 5th rounder. Wow, Caldwell is a genius
Dont worry, I'm sure we can draft someone 'just as good' and wait the 4 years for them to become a force.
The amount of talent we have shipped out of here.
I can relate, dude.
There is zero reason that nucleus of that 2017 team should be virtually obliterated by 2020.
I could see Poz gone.
I could even see Malik, Dareus, Church and Gipson gone too. Maybe even Calais given his age and salary.
But Telvin, Jalen, and now Yan?
They should still be here, and we should be building a better team around them.
(08-30-2020, 03:42 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Oh he's definitely going to be less effective. He had Campbell and Ngakoue playing next to him, now he has.... well.. yea about that..
I guaran-damn-tee that when his contract comes up, fans are going to hold that wholly understandable drop against him, and will end up calling him the same things they called EVERY SINGLE PLAYER who had a contract issue with this team.
Poz retired
Telvin dating lil girls and was average his last season
Malik was ok his last year here, nothing special
Church is he still in the league?
Gipson was overrated and got a cheap deal in Chicago
Dareus is hurt and getting old
Jalen is a diva and the Rams are gonna suffer with that extension
Yan is highly overrated, can't stop the run and disappears in big games
Calais is a great dude and player but he is getting old and he wouldn't make a big difference anyway
I think it is hilarious how people cry so much about those players when most of them were still here in 2018 and yet the team was garbage.
(08-30-2020, 05:32 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2020, 05:18 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]
I can relate, dude.
There is zero reason that nucleus of that 2017 team should be virtually obliterated by 2020.
I could see Poz gone.
I could even see Malik, Dareus, Church and Gipson gone too. Maybe even Calais given his age and salary.
But Telvin, Jalen, and now Yan?
They should still be here, and we should be building a better team around them.
I guaran-damn-tee that when his contract comes up, fans are going to hold that wholly understandable drop against him, and will end up calling him the same things they called EVERY SINGLE PLAYER who had a contract issue with this team.
Poz retired
Telvin dating lil girls and was average his last season
Malik was ok his last year here, nothing special
Church is he still in the league?
Gipson was overrated and got a cheap deal in Chicago
Dareus is hurt and getting old
Jalen is a diva and the Rams are gonna suffer with that extension
Yan is highly overrated, can't stop the run and disappears in big games
Calais is a great dude and player but he is getting old and he wouldn't make a big difference anyway
I think it is hilarious how people cry so much about those players when most of them were still here in 2018 and yet the team was garbage.
Ah yes, the Cody Kessler experience. That stud.
It's not too much to ask your D to pitch a shutout every week and score enough points for the W
(08-30-2020, 05:32 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2020, 05:18 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]
I can relate, dude.
There is zero reason that nucleus of that 2017 team should be virtually obliterated by 2020.
I could see Poz gone.
I could even see Malik, Dareus, Church and Gipson gone too. Maybe even Calais given his age and salary.
But Telvin, Jalen, and now Yan?
They should still be here, and we should be building a better team around them.
I guaran-damn-tee that when his contract comes up, fans are going to hold that wholly understandable drop against him, and will end up calling him the same things they called EVERY SINGLE PLAYER who had a contract issue with this team.
Poz retired
Telvin dating lil girls and was average his last season
Malik was ok his last year here, nothing special
Church is he still in the league?
Gipson was overrated and got a cheap deal in Chicago
Dareus is hurt and getting old
Jalen is a diva and the Rams are gonna suffer with that extension
Yan is highly overrated, can't stop the run and disappears in big games
Calais is a great dude and player but he is getting old and he wouldn't make a big difference anyway
I think it is hilarious how people cry so much about those players when most of them were still here in 2018 and yet the team was garbage.
The team was garbage because the OL was a MASH unit for most of 2018, starting week two when this garbage team stomped the Pats.
That was the week we lost our LT for the year. We lost to the tacks the next week, stomped the Jets, and it was down hill from there.
The offense couldn't get out of its own way, nor could it give the defense any rest.
(08-30-2020, 05:36 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2020, 05:32 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]Poz retired
Telvin dating lil girls and was average his last season
Malik was ok his last year here, nothing special
Church is he still in the league?
Gipson was overrated and got a cheap deal in Chicago
Dareus is hurt and getting old
Jalen is a diva and the Rams are gonna suffer with that extension
Yan is highly overrated, can't stop the run and disappears in big games
Calais is a great dude and player but he is getting old and he wouldn't make a big difference anyway
I think it is hilarious how people cry so much about those players when most of them were still here in 2018 and yet the team was garbage.
Ah yes, the Cody Kessler experience. That stud.
It's not too much to ask your D to pitch a shutout every week and score enough points for the W
Well Ravens won a SB with Dilfer and Bucs with Brad Johnson so...
Foles was awful here
Minshew was a rookie and while he was good he wasn't gonna take us to the playoffs
Most of those players are either out of the league or having average seasons.
Only Ramsey would make a difference here but his attitude is awful and he would probably make more harm than anything.
But hey Dareus and Church are FA's maybe we should bring them
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Gipson signed for like 1.5 million we had the cap space to sign him...
(08-30-2020, 05:45 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2020, 05:36 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Ah yes, the Cody Kessler experience. That stud.
It's not too much to ask your D to pitch a shutout every week and score enough points for the W
Well Ravens won a SB with Dilfer and Bucs with Brad Johnson so...
Foles was awful here
Minshew was a rookie and while he was good he wasn't gonna take us to the playoffs
Most of those players are either out of the league or having average seasons.
Only Ramsey would make a difference here but his attitude is awful and he would probably make more harm than anything.
But hey Dareus and Church are FA's maybe we should bring them
Gipson signed for like 1.5 million we had the cap space to sign him...
But as Bullseye pointed out, there were bits and pieces that needed replacing, not whole parts of the D. You act like I'm saying let's put a 60 year old Piz out there!
What's your opinion of the current D then?
(08-30-2020, 03:30 PM)jagsfan06 Wrote: [ -> ]I’m thinking some of this new salary cap money will go towards a contract extension for LT Cam Robinson
Why? Robinson is mediocre at best.
(08-30-2020, 06:03 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2020, 05:45 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]Well Ravens won a SB with Dilfer and Bucs with Brad Johnson so...
Foles was awful here
Minshew was a rookie and while he was good he wasn't gonna take us to the playoffs
Most of those players are either out of the league or having average seasons.
Only Ramsey would make a difference here but his attitude is awful and he would probably make more harm than anything.
But hey Dareus and Church are FA's maybe we should bring them
Gipson signed for like 1.5 million we had the cap space to sign him...
But as Bullseye pointed out, there were bits and pieces that needed replacing, not whole parts of the D. You act like I'm saying let's put a 60 year old Piz out there!
What's your opinion of the current D then?
Not only that, he COMPLETELY disregards Pro Bowl caliber players!
Campbell was NFL Defensive player of the year while he was with us.
Telvin Smith made a Pro Bowl with us, won at least three different AFC Player of the week awards and had multiple TDs.
Yannick Ngakoue made a Pro Bowl, had a season with double digit sacks, and generally led the league in forced fumbles during the time he was here. He was the catalyst to many Jaguars TDs, including the sack and FF Telvin Smith returned for a TD in the playoff game against the Steelers in the playoffs.
Ramsey? All Pro...Pro bowl...even with the Rams.
I guess Haunting Raven prefers the Gene Smith era.