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"and on Monday cut their best offensive player..."

Fournette was our best offensive player? That's news to me....

(09-04-2020, 10:17 AM)NCJag Wrote: [ -> ]"and on Monday cut their best offensive player..."

Fournette was our best offensive player?  That's news to me....

Chark was/is our best offensive player by a mile.

(09-04-2020, 10:17 AM)NCJag Wrote: [ -> ]"and on Monday cut their best offensive player..."

Fournette was our best offensive player?  That's news to me....

Last year, sure he was. Maybe Chark or Minshew are in the discussion but it's arguable.

(09-04-2020, 10:17 AM)NCJag Wrote: [ -> ]"and on Monday cut their best offensive player..."

Fournette was our best offensive player?  That's news to me....

DiRocco writes for an audience of other ESPN writers. He has an inferiority complex for being assigned the Jags and parrots the big-market perspectives he feels he’s supposed to write. I never glean new information from his articles.

(09-04-2020, 12:25 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-04-2020, 10:17 AM)NCJag Wrote: [ -> ]"and on Monday cut their best offensive player..."

Fournette was our best offensive player?  That's news to me....

Last year, sure he was. Maybe Chark or Minshew are in the discussion but it's arguable.

You definitely could argue that.  And in 2017 that argument was even stronger.

It wasn't as riveting as that article made it sound

(09-04-2020, 12:25 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-04-2020, 10:17 AM)NCJag Wrote: [ -> ]"and on Monday cut their best offensive player..."

Fournette was our best offensive player?  That's news to me....

Last year, sure he was. Maybe Chark or Minshew are in the discussion but it's arguable.

Not really.  Short of the Denver game where he ran for 225 on 29 carries and the Bengals game where he cleared 131 on 29, he was remarkable pedestrian the rest of the year. In the first Tenn game, he was sitting at negative yardage until he ripped that giant run off towards the end of the game and ended with a 15/66 state line. Other games:

Houston: 15/47/3.1
Tenn: 15/66/4.4
Saints: 20/72/3.6
Houston: 11/40/3.6
Colts: 8/23/2.9
Bucs: 14/38/2.7
Bolts: 15/50/3.3
Raiders: 15/50/2.8

That's a half season of games where he's pulling a 3.41 YPC. On first down, we're automatically in 2nd and 6 or 7, vice 2nd and short.  He added some value at receiving, but PFF gave him a pass blocking grade of 35.7 and he had 140 snaps in pass pro...in THREE YEARS.  Last year he had 264 carries, and out of those only 13 went for 15+ yards.  

Fournette MIGHT have been top 5 for best offensive players, but that is just out of how bad this offense is.

(09-04-2020, 01:06 PM)NCJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-04-2020, 12:25 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]Last year, sure he was. Maybe Chark or Minshew are in the discussion but it's arguable.

Not really.  Short of the Denver game where he ran for 225 on 29 carries and the Bengals game where he cleared 131 on 29, he was remarkable pedestrian the rest of the year. In the first Tenn game, he was sitting at negative yardage until he ripped that giant run off towards the end of the game and ended with a 15/66 state line. Other games:

Houston: 15/47/3.1
Tenn: 15/66/4.4
Saints: 20/72/3.6
Houston: 11/40/3.6
Colts: 8/23/2.9
Bucs: 14/38/2.7
Bolts: 15/50/3.3
Raiders: 15/50/2.8

That's a half season of games where he's pulling a 3.41 YPC. On first down, we're automatically in 2nd and 6 or 7, vice 2nd and short.  He added some value at receiving, but PFF gave him a pass blocking grade of 35.7 and he had 140 snaps in pass pro...in THREE YEARS.  Last year he had 264 carries, and out of those only 13 went for 15+ yards.  

Fournette MIGHT have been top 5 for best offensive players, but that is just out of how bad this offense is.

Yea, I would say he was totally overrated based on his draft position, but his true market value showed he’s equivalent of an undrafted player.

(09-04-2020, 01:06 PM)NCJag Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-04-2020, 12:25 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]Last year, sure he was. Maybe Chark or Minshew are in the discussion but it's arguable.

Not really.  Short of the Denver game where he ran for 225 on 29 carries and the Bengals game where he cleared 131 on 29, he was remarkable pedestrian the rest of the year. In the first Tenn game, he was sitting at negative yardage until he ripped that giant run off towards the end of the game and ended with a 15/66 state line. Other games:

Houston: 15/47/3.1
Tenn: 15/66/4.4
Saints: 20/72/3.6
Houston: 11/40/3.6
Colts: 8/23/2.9
Bucs: 14/38/2.7
Bolts: 15/50/3.3
Raiders: 15/50/2.8

That's a half season of games where he's pulling a 3.41 YPC. On first down, we're automatically in 2nd and 6 or 7, vice 2nd and short.  He added some value at receiving, but PFF gave him a pass blocking grade of 35.7 and he had 140 snaps in pass pro...in THREE YEARS.  Last year he had 264 carries, and out of those only 13 went for 15+ yards.  

Fournette MIGHT have been top 5 for best offensive players, but that is just out of how bad this offense is.

So you're saying not counting his best plays, he really didn't really play that well? That's not fair unless you do it for anyone you're comparing him with. Remember, we're not saying he was the best offensive player in the league, we're talking just about the team.

(09-04-2020, 03:42 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-04-2020, 01:06 PM)NCJag Wrote: [ -> ]Not really.  Short of the Denver game where he ran for 225 on 29 carries and the Bengals game where he cleared 131 on 29, he was remarkable pedestrian the rest of the year. In the first Tenn game, he was sitting at negative yardage until he ripped that giant run off towards the end of the game and ended with a 15/66 state line. Other games:

Houston: 15/47/3.1
Tenn: 15/66/4.4
Saints: 20/72/3.6
Houston: 11/40/3.6
Colts: 8/23/2.9
Bucs: 14/38/2.7
Bolts: 15/50/3.3
Raiders: 15/50/2.8

That's a half season of games where he's pulling a 3.41 YPC. On first down, we're automatically in 2nd and 6 or 7, vice 2nd and short.  He added some value at receiving, but PFF gave him a pass blocking grade of 35.7 and he had 140 snaps in pass pro...in THREE YEARS.  Last year he had 264 carries, and out of those only 13 went for 15+ yards.  

Fournette MIGHT have been top 5 for best offensive players, but that is just out of how bad this offense is.

So you're saying not counting his best plays, he really didn't really play that well? That's not fair unless you do it for anyone you're comparing him with. Remember, we're not saying he was the best offensive player in the league, we're talking just about the team.

No, I’m saying short of 2 games was pedestrian the entire season.  I’m saying he wasn’t the best offensive player on the team. I’d reserve that for guys that contributed on a more consistent basis like Chark, Conley, or Minshew.

People are panicking like you can’t replace a 1K back. That’s a lot easier than replacing a 1K receiver. He as piss poor in pass pro, couldn’t see a hole to save his life and had mediocre receiving skills. Rumors of him being the “best offensive player” are greatly exaggerated.

(09-04-2020, 09:35 AM)Rockman1966 Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2978...part-field

The positive is that once you hit rock bottom you can only go up from there.

there is 1 nobody has menttionted. wayne weaver not doing research on persons football knowledge before selling the jags.

(09-04-2020, 03:42 PM)hb1148 Wrote: [ -> ]

(09-04-2020, 01:06 PM)NCJag Wrote: [ -> ]Not really.  Short of the Denver game where he ran for 225 on 29 carries and the Bengals game where he cleared 131 on 29, he was remarkable pedestrian the rest of the year. In the first Tenn game, he was sitting at negative yardage until he ripped that giant run off towards the end of the game and ended with a 15/66 state line. Other games:

Houston: 15/47/3.1
Tenn: 15/66/4.4
Saints: 20/72/3.6
Houston: 11/40/3.6
Colts: 8/23/2.9
Bucs: 14/38/2.7
Bolts: 15/50/3.3
Raiders: 15/50/2.8

That's a half season of games where he's pulling a 3.41 YPC. On first down, we're automatically in 2nd and 6 or 7, vice 2nd and short.  He added some value at receiving, but PFF gave him a pass blocking grade of 35.7 and he had 140 snaps in pass pro...in THREE YEARS.  Last year he had 264 carries, and out of those only 13 went for 15+ yards.  

Fournette MIGHT have been top 5 for best offensive players, but that is just out of how bad this offense is.

So you're saying not counting his best plays, he really didn't really play that well? That's not fair unless you do it for anyone you're comparing him with. Remember, we're not saying he was the best offensive player in the league, we're talking just about the team.

No, I’m saying short of 2 games was pedestrian the entire season.  I’m saying he wasn’t the best offensive player on the team. I’d reserve that for guys that contributed on a more consistent basis like Chark, Conley, or Minshew.

People are panicking like you can’t replace a 1K back. That’s a lot easier than replacing a 1K receiver. He as piss poor in pass pro, couldn’t see a hole to save his life and had mediocre receiving skills. Rumors of him being the “best offensive player” are greatly exaggerated.