(10-19-2020, 11:41 PM)jaglyn Wrote: [ -> ]I am just about convinced that they’re trying to create fan apathy for their eventual move to where ever
If the goal is fan apathy, they're doing a stellar job. I think a fan base that couldn't care less about the team is far more dangerous to the long-term viability of the franchise here in Jax than one that's pissed off but still buying tickets and showing up.
(10-19-2020, 11:41 PM)jaglyn Wrote: [ -> ]I am just about convinced that they’re trying to create fan apathy for their eventual move to where ever
Sometimes I feel the same way. There is no explanation, no one is saying anything about consequences for losing. Todd Wash has been terrible for like 3 years straight and Marrone said he is not going anymore, someone needs to demand to speak to Khan, he needs to say something
(10-20-2020, 12:53 PM)D-Money Wrote: [ -> ] (10-19-2020, 11:41 PM)jaglyn Wrote: [ -> ]I am just about convinced that they’re trying to create fan apathy for their eventual move to where ever
Sometimes I feel the same way. There is no explanation, no one is saying anything about consequences for losing. Todd Wash has been terrible for like 3 years straight and Marrone said he is not going anymore, someone needs to demand to speak to Khan, he needs to say something
Marrone is pretty much doing everything he can to get himself fired so that he can hang out with his budy, O'Brien.
Does he need to show up at a post-game presser telling us he's out of ideas while pulling a Jeff Toobin on the Zoom call to finally get himself fired?
I still can’t believe they hired our Offensive Line coach to begin with. Doug has to go.
I'm convinced Khan doesn't care about winning and I just wish he'd sell the team.
A couple of thoughts come to mind about this whole situation.
1. If this had been a "normal" season my guess would be that at least Marrone would be gone next week going into the bye. It's going to be the mid-point of the season, the record says it all and making a change going into the bye would make sense. I don't know who would be the replacement as an interim head coach in the meantime but I imagine that would be the limit of firings at this point.
2. Since this has not been a "normal" season and since Marrone and Caldwell got contracts extended through the 2021 season they might be retained. Consider also the moves that were made by getting rid of players that I assume were viewed as "problems" (Ramsey, Ngakoue, Fournette, etc.) as well as getting rid of management assumed to be a problem (Coughlin) it was known that this season would be "tough". This was known prior to or around the same time that the contract extensions of Marrone and Caldwell were given. During this time the team also loaded up on draft picks and cleared cap space.
I think that I as well as most Jaguars fans have a "short term memory" regarding the whole situation. I as well as many Jaguars fans are thinking that perhaps situation #1 should happen at the very least. However, after looking at the "big picture" over the last year I'm thinking that Khan retains everyone for the remainder of this season going into next season, and situation #2 is what is going to play out. I think that when he extended Marrone and Caldwell's contracts he basically gave them 2 years.
(10-20-2020, 05:58 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]A couple of thoughts come to mind about this whole situation.
1. If this had been a "normal" season my guess would be that at least Marrone would be gone next week going into the bye. It's going to be the mid-point of the season, the record says it all and making a change going into the bye would make sense. I don't know who would be the replacement as an interim head coach in the meantime but I imagine that would be the limit of firings at this point.
2. Since this has not been a "normal" season and since Marrone and Caldwell got contracts extended through the 2021 season they might be retained. Consider also the moves that were made by getting rid of players that I assume were viewed as "problems" (Ramsey, Ngakoue, Fournette, etc.) as well as getting rid of management assumed to be a problem (Coughlin) it was known that this season would be "tough". This was known prior to or around the same time that the contract extensions of Marrone and Caldwell were given. During this time the team also loaded up on draft picks and cleared cap space.
I think that I as well as most Jaguars fans have a "short term memory" regarding the whole situation. I as well as many Jaguars fans are thinking that perhaps situation #1 should happen at the very least. However, after looking at the "big picture" over the last year I'm thinking that Khan retains everyone for the remainder of this season going into next season, and situation #2 is what is going to play out. I think that when he extended Marrone and Caldwell's contracts he basically gave them 2 years.
It pains me to agree with you. I don't think Khan is going to fire them this year. It has become perfectly clear that Khan doesn't care about winning.
(10-20-2020, 06:22 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ] (10-20-2020, 05:58 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]A couple of thoughts come to mind about this whole situation.
1. If this had been a "normal" season my guess would be that at least Marrone would be gone next week going into the bye. It's going to be the mid-point of the season, the record says it all and making a change going into the bye would make sense. I don't know who would be the replacement as an interim head coach in the meantime but I imagine that would be the limit of firings at this point.
2. Since this has not been a "normal" season and since Marrone and Caldwell got contracts extended through the 2021 season they might be retained. Consider also the moves that were made by getting rid of players that I assume were viewed as "problems" (Ramsey, Ngakoue, Fournette, etc.) as well as getting rid of management assumed to be a problem (Coughlin) it was known that this season would be "tough". This was known prior to or around the same time that the contract extensions of Marrone and Caldwell were given. During this time the team also loaded up on draft picks and cleared cap space.
I think that I as well as most Jaguars fans have a "short term memory" regarding the whole situation. I as well as many Jaguars fans are thinking that perhaps situation #1 should happen at the very least. However, after looking at the "big picture" over the last year I'm thinking that Khan retains everyone for the remainder of this season going into next season, and situation #2 is what is going to play out. I think that when he extended Marrone and Caldwell's contracts he basically gave them 2 years.
It pains me to agree with you. I don't think Khan is going to fire them this year. It has become perfectly clear that Khan doesn't care about winning.
Regarding the part in bold, I have to disagree with that. Us as fans want the team to win and want them to win NOW. I imagine Khan also wants a winning team, but is willing to be patient with building it over time.
(10-20-2020, 06:42 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (10-20-2020, 06:22 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]It pains me to agree with you. I don't think Khan is going to fire them this year. It has become perfectly clear that Khan doesn't care about winning.
Regarding the part in bold, I have to disagree with that. Us as fans want the team to win and want them to win NOW. I imagine Khan also wants a winning team, but is willing to be patient with building it over time.
Khan has been the owner for what, 8 years now? Of course Khan wants to the team to win, but is he willing to put in the time and effort it takes to build a successful franchise?Or is he more concerned about making money instead with London games and this Lot J project?
You can be a patient owner and still take action to instill a winning culture. This team perpetuates losing and it's been clear that Caldwell is a horrible GM and Marrone is an inept head coach.
That's on Khan. Until the owner steps in and stops this [BLEEP] show, things will continue down the same path.
(10-20-2020, 06:47 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-20-2020, 06:42 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]Regarding the part in bold, I have to disagree with that. Us as fans want the team to win and want them to win NOW. I imagine Khan also wants a winning team, but is willing to be patient with building it over time.
Khan has been the owner for what, 8 years now? Of course Khan wants to the team to win, but is he willing to put in the time and effort it takes to build a successful franchise?Or is he more concerned about making money instead with London games and this Lot J project?
You can be a patient owner and still take action to instill a winning culture. This team perpetuates losing and it's been clear that Caldwell is a horrible GM and Marrone is an inept head coach.
That's on Khan. Until the owner steps in and stops this [BLEEP] show, things will continue down the same path.
The "time' part of your comment is exactly what I talked about earlier. Fans want to win NOW. You don't build a winning roster in one draft (since the end of last season) especially with the cap situation the team was in. This season was basically a "write off", especially with the COVID crap. It's not a "normal" season and the team is loaded with draft picks and cap space for next season.
(10-20-2020, 06:57 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (10-20-2020, 06:47 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]Khan has been the owner for what, 8 years now? Of course Khan wants to the team to win, but is he willing to put in the time and effort it takes to build a successful franchise?Or is he more concerned about making money instead with London games and this Lot J project?
You can be a patient owner and still take action to instill a winning culture. This team perpetuates losing and it's been clear that Caldwell is a horrible GM and Marrone is an inept head coach.
That's on Khan. Until the owner steps in and stops this [BLEEP] show, things will continue down the same path.
The "time' part of your comment is exactly what I talked about earlier. Fans want to win NOW. You don't build a winning roster in one draft (since the end of last season) especially with the cap situation the team was in. This season was basically a "write off", especially with the COVID crap. It's not a "normal" season and the team is loaded with draft picks and cap space for next season.
We're not talking one season - we're talking a decade of losing with only 1 winning season in 2017. That's not a win "now" - far from it. Caldwell has the worst record of any active GM. Marrone has the worst record of any active HC. 5 of Caldwell's 1st round picks aren't even with the team. Taven Bryan is nothing more than a rotational player (at best) so it's not like things are getting any better.
Khan is about to tie the record for fastest owner to 100 losses.
It would take 3 seasons of 0 losses just for Khan to get back to .500
That's the formula to perpetuate losing and fan apathy, not building a winning roster for the future.
(10-20-2020, 07:11 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-20-2020, 06:57 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]The "time' part of your comment is exactly what I talked about earlier. Fans want to win NOW. You don't build a winning roster in one draft (since the end of last season) especially with the cap situation the team was in. This season was basically a "write off", especially with the COVID crap. It's not a "normal" season and the team is loaded with draft picks and cap space for next season.
We're not talking one season - we're talking a decade of losing with only 1 winning season in 2017. That's not a win "now" - far from it. Caldwell has the worst record of any active GM. Marrone has the worst record of any active HC. 5 of Caldwell's 1st round picks aren't even with the team. Taven Bryan is nothing more than a rotational player (at best) so it's not like things are getting any better.
Khan is about to tie the record for fastest owner to 100 losses.
It would take 3 seasons of 0 losses just for Khan to get back to .500
That's the formula to perpetuate losing and fan apathy, not building a winning roster for the future.
Khan cares about winning THAT. He's got his eyes dead-set on that award
(10-19-2020, 07:15 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]Khan isn't firing anyone. He is making money hand over fist and couldn't care less about winning.
If he fired Marrone and Caldwell, he'd have to pay all those salaries and then the salaries of the new staff. Saves himself a fortune.
Until fans stop going to the games and it affects the bottom line, there is no incentive to change anything.
Caldwell, Morrone, and their staffs salaries are peanuts to Khan and the Jags. Money will be given zero consideration when they are fired. It happens all the time in the NFL.
What should happen: Bologna gets fired either during the bye week or immediately after the season. Dave Caldwell, Todd Wash, Gruden, and every coach should follow right behind him. The only coach that I personally would like to keep would be McCardell. Khan consults with experts to build a new foundation for this team. New Management team, New scouting department, New Coaching staff, etc. New Eyes come in here to evaluate the talent. Any player on this roster is expendable. I hate to say this but this team is in for another long rebuild. It could easily be 3+ years unless a GM comes in here and really makes some home run picks. This team does not have a Superstar on this roster.
What probably will happen: Bologna rides out the season while the team gets lucky and squeaks out 1 or 2 more wins. Khan with his usual shenanigans makes excuses while remaining with the same losers. He puts on a good smiles and promises he has a commitment to winning. The same old song and dance next year is a "must win" year.
Its hard to be a Jaguar fan.
I’m sure somehow due to some fine print in the CARES Act that Marrone and Dave are going to be allowed to keep their jobs after this dumpster fire of a season
Everyone from coaches to front office need to be replaced to have the winning culture.