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(10-30-2020, 07:47 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Mike is the worst guy at reading the room.

Jerry Jones is in full tank mode.

The thread isn't about me. You keep letting your obsession get the best of you.

(10-30-2020, 08:10 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2020, 07:47 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Mike is the worst guy at reading the room.

Jerry Jones is in full tank mode.

The thread isn't about me. You keep letting your obsession get the best of you.

You started a thread with an idiotic idea and I called you out on it. Why would Jerry Jones trade for a QB who at his best is not as good as the 2 injured guys he already has on his roster with zero chance of winning the division and even less than zero chance of winning the stacked NFC?

(10-28-2020, 12:11 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Andy Dalton has one of the most talented offenses in football sputtering.  Those guys could use some Minshew moxie and they know it. Plus Gardner would love to play on a team with more than one quality receiver.
What do you think the 'Boys might give up? A 2nd? A 3rd? Take it and see what Luton can do!

I don't see the Cowboys trading for Minshew.  If they somehow did, I don't see them giving up more than a 4th, likely a 5th, at best. Minshew has not helped his stock as of late, even with the injury rationale.

(10-30-2020, 08:28 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2020, 08:10 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The thread isn't about me. You keep letting your obsession get the best of you.

You started a thread with an idiotic idea and I called you out on it. Why would Jerry Jones trade for a QB who at his best is not as good as the 2 injured guys he already has on his roster with zero chance of winning the division and even less than zero chance of winning the stacked NFC?

Zero chance of winning the division?  Do you even follow football?  The NFC East is horrible.

(10-30-2020, 09:03 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2020, 08:28 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]You started a thread with an idiotic idea and I called you out on it. Why would Jerry Jones trade for a QB who at his best is not as good as the 2 injured guys he already has on his roster with zero chance of winning the division and even less than zero chance of winning the stacked NFC?

Zero chance of winning the division?  Do you even follow football?  The NFC East is horrible.

Yes, zero chance. They are operating with a 3rd string QB and the OP is proposing we trade them someone who should be a 2nd string QB. Philly pulls away and wins that division easily. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

(10-30-2020, 09:20 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2020, 09:03 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]Zero chance of winning the division?  Do you even follow football?  The NFC East is horrible.

Yes, zero chance. They are operating with a 3rd string QB and the OP is proposing we trade them someone who should be a 2nd string QB. Philly pulls away and wins that division easily. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

I don't think you're wrong about Philly. But zero chance is definitely wrong. Terrible hyperbole at least.

Someone is winning that division with 7 wins max this year.

Per the OP and the topic of trading Minshew......
Why does anyone think Minshew, a 6th round pick, have any legitimate trade value at this point? He's an undersized, average arm strength, now injured, underperforming QB on a bad team. a 2nd?!?! a 3rd?! Laughable. Even the most desperate teams within a legit shot of making the playoffs wouldn't trade that much for the kid. At best he'd net a 5th or something but I think his trade value is almost nil.

I love the kid. I loved the magic and the mania that came with it. It has fizzled quite a bit and while this team has a lot of problems and it ain't all on the QB, he isn't a QB that is putting any team over the top. Not the Boys, not the Skins, not the Broncos... I once had high hopes and even daringly compared his success to other young QBs around the league. But he ain't it and no one is trading for him.

(10-30-2020, 09:20 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2020, 09:03 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]Zero chance of winning the division?  Do you even follow football?  The NFC East is horrible.

Yes, zero chance. They are operating with a 3rd string QB and the OP is proposing we trade them someone who should be a 2nd string QB. Philly pulls away and wins that division easily. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

So they're operating with a 3rd string quarterback for the entire year?  

You know the Eagles have already lost to Washington and were lucky to pull out their game against the Giants?  

Nah, you probably don't.

Revisiting this thread after news of Gardner's injury, I think that Gardner's injury is a reason why he probably won't get a traded by this year's deadline.

That being said if his thumb can heal up and he can come back and play some games this year, that could help his trade value. Especially if he ends up looking more like he did during the first two games of this year. If his accuracy goes back to being much better (even during the Miami loss it was over 70%) that will help his trade value. As a couple of us have pointed out in various threads statistically speaking he has been having a nice year as an individual. Heck, even with his messed up throwing hand he still threw 5TDs and only one interception since the game he got injured. His accuracy decreased but he was still throwing TD's and hardly any interceptions. That's something. If his hand wasn't messed up maybe he makes some of the easier throws and the Jags actually beat the Chargers.

If he plays closer to the first two games should he come back more people would be willing to trade for him. I think that people would still be interested in trading for him in the offseason.

Now it's just a matter of how long he will might miss games because of the injury. And maybe how someone like Luton make look if he plays in Gardner's absence. If Luton looks really good they may keep him in, and that could effect Gardner in various ways. But even then I think that someone would still be willing to trade for him during the offseason.

(10-30-2020, 09:35 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2020, 09:20 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, zero chance. They are operating with a 3rd string QB and the OP is proposing we trade them someone who should be a 2nd string QB. Philly pulls away and wins that division easily. Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

So they're operating with a 3rd string quarterback for the entire year?  

You know the Eagles have already lost to Washington and were lucky to pull out their game against the Giants?  

Nah, you probably don't.

We are the only franchise in the league that sees Gardner Minshew as a viable starting quarterback. As hard as we try to project our teal flavored bias on to other franchises, it simply won't work.

Jerry Jones is in full tank mode and Dallas will be a top team in 2021. The Eagles have the best QB in the division (as hard as that is to type), so the cream will rise to the top.

(10-30-2020, 10:25 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2020, 09:35 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]So they're operating with a 3rd string quarterback for the entire year?  

You know the Eagles have already lost to Washington and were lucky to pull out their game against the Giants?  

Nah, you probably don't.

We are the only franchise in the league that sees Gardner Minshew as a viable starting quarterback. As hard as we try to project our teal flavored bias on to other franchises, it simply won't work.

Jerry Jones is in full tank mode and Dallas will be a top team in 2021. The Eagles have the best QB in the division (as hard as that is to type), so the cream will rise to the top.

There are some people of other fanbases that like the thought of Gardner as a starter. And after his first two games there were multiple people including analysts who viewed him as a starting quarterback. 

Even in spite of his recent injuries/struggles he still has performed better than some of the other starting QB's in this league. He is still top ten in passer stats playing with a messed up hand for three games. His accuracy has fallen off but his TD to INT rate is still better than others, including Carson Wentz. He's projected to throw 30TDs this year. IMO, it's not surprising that some people think he can be a starter.

Also, I do wonder who will end up winning the NFC east. That division really is bad. If Dallas were healthier I think they could do it with Dalton. And who knows maybe Ben DiNucci, depending on how he plays. But they have been decimated by injuries. They are actually not that much better off than the Jags right now, if you can believe that. Philly has a good coach, but they've really struggled this year and Carson hasn't looked good a lot this year. I thought that Daniel Jones outplayed him in that Thursday Night game against the Eagles. Daniel Jones looked better throwing the ball when he had time and looked more decisive. Carson was making some really bad throws in that games, including one where he made a dangerous throw across his body. And he kept missing wide open people. And that was without an injury (at least that we know of.)

Washington maybe could win it if their QB situation was better. But they don't have the best QB situation. And the Giants continue to have struggles like they have for the past few years. I do believe that seven wins will win this division, (some people think even less). I think it really is more of a toss up right now. I'm going to guess that maybe the Eagles do win it. Unless Ben DiNucci comes in, plays really well and lights a fire underneath the team. (Though I do believe that the Cowboys are very likely to go back to Andy Dalton once he clears the concussion protocol. He can be decent but that has not been enough to really help this team thus far).

(10-30-2020, 10:52 AM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2020, 10:25 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]We are the only franchise in the league that sees Gardner Minshew as a viable starting quarterback. As hard as we try to project our teal flavored bias on to other franchises, it simply won't work.

Jerry Jones is in full tank mode and Dallas will be a top team in 2021. The Eagles have the best QB in the division (as hard as that is to type), so the cream will rise to the top.

There are some people of other fanbases that like the thought of Gardner as a starter. And after his first two games there were multiple people including analysts who viewed him as a starting quarterback. 

Even in spite of his recent injuries/struggles he still has performed better than some of the other starting QB's in this league. He is still top ten in passer stats playing with a messed up hand for three games. His accuracy has fallen off but his TD to INT rate is still better than others, including Carson Wentz. He's projected to throw 30TDs this year. IMO, it's not surprising that some people think he can be a starter.

Also, I do wonder who will end up winning the NFC east. That division really is bad. If Dallas were healthier I think they could do it with Dalton. And who knows maybe Ben DiNucci, depending on how he plays. But they have been decimated by injuries. They are actually not that much better off than the Jags right now, if you can believe that. Philly has a good coach, but they've really struggled this year and Carson hasn't looked good a lot this year. I thought that Daniel Jones outplayed him in that Thursday Night game against the Eagles. Daniel Jones looked better throwing the ball when he had time and looked more decisive. Carson was making some really bad throws in that games, including one where he made a dangerous throw across his body. And he kept missing wide open people. And that was without an injury (at least that we know of.)

Washington maybe could win it if their QB situation was better. But they don't have the best QB situation. And the Giants continue to have struggles like they have for the past few years. I do believe that seven wins will win this division, (some people think even less). I think it really is more of a toss up right now. I'm going to guess that maybe the Eagles do win it. Unless Ben DiNucci comes in, plays really well and lights a fire underneath the team. (Though I do believe that the Cowboys are very likely to go back to Andy Dalton once he clears the concussion protocol. He can be decent but that has not been enough to really help this team thus far).

I also remember several fan bases that liked the thought of Mike Glennon as a starter at one time.  Teams were actually in bidding wars in 2017 for his services and Chicago paid him $18 million guaranteed before they yanked him after 4 games.

That being said, I don't think any GM's are looking at Minshew as a starter.  Maybe a stop-gap for a current QB situation, but not a long term solution. But it only takes one bad decision-maker to get a draft pick for him, so who knows? I'd be shocked if anyone offered more than a 5th round pick. I don't think anyone outside of Duval County sees Minshew as an upgrade for Washington, Philly, the Giants, or the Cowboys (once Dalton is back).

(10-30-2020, 10:25 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2020, 09:35 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]So they're operating with a 3rd string quarterback for the entire year?  

You know the Eagles have already lost to Washington and were lucky to pull out their game against the Giants?  

Nah, you probably don't.

We are the only franchise in the league that sees Gardner Minshew as a viable starting quarterback. As hard as we try to project our teal flavored bias on to other franchises, it simply won't work.

Jerry Jones is in full tank mode and Dallas will be a top team in 2021. The Eagles have the best QB in the division (as hard as that is to type), so the cream will rise to the top.

'Full tank mode.'  LOL.  As if you have any idea what's going on OUT HERE.  I've said nothing about Minshew.  I'm just saying you don't know your [BLEEP] from a hole in the ground when you are TRYING to sound intelligent about the Cowboys or the NFC East.

(10-30-2020, 12:04 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-30-2020, 10:25 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]We are the only franchise in the league that sees Gardner Minshew as a viable starting quarterback. As hard as we try to project our teal flavored bias on to other franchises, it simply won't work.

Jerry Jones is in full tank mode and Dallas will be a top team in 2021. The Eagles have the best QB in the division (as hard as that is to type), so the cream will rise to the top.

'Full tank mode.'  LOL.  As if you have any idea what's going on OUT HERE.  I've said nothing about Minshew.  I'm just saying you don't know your [BLEEP] from a hole in the ground when you are TRYING to sound intelligent about the Cowboys or the NFC East.

Let's see how it plays out and you can tell me I am right later.

The days of a 6th round QB looking good are over. Tom Brady is a once every 100 years miracle

I told you the Cowboys were tanking and the Eagles were the king of the division.

(11-02-2020, 10:47 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]I told you the Cowboys were tanking and the Eagles were the king of the division.

Tanking because they were forced to start a third string quarterback.  Wow, you am so smart...or something.

(11-03-2020, 09:56 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-02-2020, 10:47 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]I told you the Cowboys were tanking and the Eagles were the king of the division.

Tanking because they were forced to start a third string quarterback.  Wow, you am so smart...or something.

3rd and 4th string QB going against undefeated Steelers this week. Dalton has COVID.

Jerry is tanking for Trevor. Not another winnable game on the schedule.

(11-03-2020, 04:29 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-03-2020, 09:56 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]Tanking because they were forced to start a third string quarterback.  Wow, you am so smart...or something.

3rd and 4th string QB going against undefeated Steelers this week. Dalton has COVID.

Jerry is tanking for Trevor. Not another winnable game on the schedule.

Well... since they have 2 wins, he won't be getting Trevor. 
Maybe he's tanking for Trask?

(11-03-2020, 04:29 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-03-2020, 09:56 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]Tanking because they were forced to start a third string quarterback.  Wow, you am so smart...or something.

3rd and 4th string QB going against undefeated Steelers this week. Dalton has COVID.

Jerry is tanking for Trevor. Not another winnable game on the schedule.

If he's tanking for Trevor he's probably dumber than you.  Never mind the fact that they love Prescott out here and already guaranteed him 31 million this year.