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Don't forget that FA is before the draft. We'll see which positions we need to draft after that.

(01-16-2021, 10:01 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]After upgrading the oline defense should be number 1 priority imo.

I agree, tho personally would prefer we upgrade the oline in free agency more so than the draft. Would like to have proven players protect the franchise kid.

Lets throw the bank at Trent Williams so we know we have Trevors blindside protected.

With the 25th pick, draft best available defender (preferably in the secondary.
The rest of the picks, just keep drafting BAP.

(01-17-2021, 02:59 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-17-2021, 02:31 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Here's a thought, just take the best players you can and stop thinking you can manufacture guys magically out of thin air.

If there's a few high quality defensive prospects and the offensive prospects available are all distinguishably lower quality than the defensive guys, just take from those defenders.

You never regret taking a great player, but there's been a lot of regret about passing on guys to reach for need around here.

And when you have two equally or near-equally rated players, one on offense and the other on defense, which way will you swing?

I am saying that we need to lean towards offense even in that scenario despite our team having more positional woes on the defensive side of the ball. We need to surround our franchise QB with multiple dynamic options at WR and TE - and make sure we keep him upright with the best blocking.

The defense can still be addressed through a couple FA acquisitions and from the multitude of draft picks we have. Ideally, you would expect draft picks selected in rounds 1-3 to have a solid to major impact and with us having 4 picks in the first two rounds of the draft, and the first selection being Trevor, I hope that we can lean on offense early on with the way the draft sets up.

We have plenty of things going for us this year whether it be: the number of draft picks we hold, the highest FA money available, the fact that there will be some tough decisions made by other teams to release a good player due to salary cap issues, and/or the implementation of a new coaching staff that will most likely be creative and allow us to play faster on offense.

If I can't distinguish ability between two players then I'm taking the one with higher positional value. So if there are a running back and a defensive back that I think have similar talents for their position I'll take the defensive back. If I thought they both were equal, say defensive lineman and offensive lineman then I'd take whichever one I think I have more need at.

The idea of building the offense up is fine, but don't pass on JJ Watt because you think you need a quarterback more.

I agree Offense should be prioritized. Look at the Rams last night. The #1 defense got handled easily by the packers. The rules have shifted too much towards the offense.

(01-17-2021, 04:01 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-17-2021, 02:59 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]And when you have two equally or near-equally rated players, one on offense and the other on defense, which way will you swing?

I am saying that we need to lean towards offense even in that scenario despite our team having more positional woes on the defensive side of the ball. We need to surround our franchise QB with multiple dynamic options at WR and TE - and make sure we keep him upright with the best blocking.

The defense can still be addressed through a couple FA acquisitions and from the multitude of draft picks we have. Ideally, you would expect draft picks selected in rounds 1-3 to have a solid to major impact and with us having 4 picks in the first two rounds of the draft, and the first selection being Trevor, I hope that we can lean on offense early on with the way the draft sets up.

We have plenty of things going for us this year whether it be: the number of draft picks we hold, the highest FA money available, the fact that there will be some tough decisions made by other teams to release a good player due to salary cap issues, and/or the implementation of a new coaching staff that will most likely be creative and allow us to play faster on offense.

If I can't distinguish ability between two players then I'm taking the one with higher positional value. So if there are a running back and a defensive back that I think have similar talents for their position I'll take the defensive back. If I thought they both were equal, say defensive lineman and offensive lineman then I'd take whichever one I think I have more need at.

The idea of building the offense up is fine, but don't pass on JJ Watt because you think you need a quarterback more.

This and this

I don't think there needs to be any lopsided focus.

There are crucial pieces needed on both sides of the ball. The GM and HC will simply have to analyze scenarios to fill some spots through the draft and others through FA.

I seriously doubt they'll be overly concerned about one side of the ball or the other - but rather which individual positions will be granted priority in terms of draft capital or FA dollars.

I wouldn't feel any need to emphasize weapons for the assumed new QB, but prioritizing better protection should fit into the offseason equation somewhere.

There are plenty of picks and plenty of cap space to upgrade TE, and also address the guard and tackle positions without having to miss out on a stud DT or DB in the process because you're focused on overemphasizing offense.

(01-16-2021, 08:45 PM)enigma Wrote: [ -> ]With the way the NFL has been transitioning, I think we need to focus on building our offense heavily this offseason - especially through the draft and FA. I'm not saying to neglect the defense but it's clear that when all things are equal with regards to offense vs defense, the offense prevails in this scoring league. Just watch Mahomes and Co in Kansas City or even with today's game with GB's #1 offense against the Rams #1 defense.

If the opposing team scores 35, we should score 36. Obviously take Trevor with the first pick, but I hope we direct our focus to offense early on in the draft and surround Trevor with dynamic players at all levels of the offense. Even with how good Chark and Shenault are, I'd like to go get a player like Olave with the 25th or 33rd pick in the draft and get a guy like Friermuth at TE with the other choice and target an OT all within the first three rounds. We can use FA to target an established O-lineman and a couple of players on defense who will be released due to salary cap issues of other teams.

Again, it all starts with Trevor at QB but we should focus on building a dynamic and explosive offense - especially with how Meyer said he wants to play fast and implement a creative offensive play style.

The future is bright and gone are the days of the games being out of reach if the opposition leads by 13 points.

That's what I wanted last year when we were trying to find out if Minshew was the answer. I wanted Wills, Lamb and maybe Akers in the second but "we need defense" and "O-line is fine". We would have those 3 guys ready for Trevor.

O-line should be the priority (FA's if possible) TE and maybe a WR. Depends on who is available  at the moment of our picks though.

Oline should be a focus in free agency. I would hope we are able to plug a few hole via free agency thst it will just let us draft bap within reason, I’d rather have a quality left tackle than a high priced cb if it comes down to it. We can’t let Trevor drop back and take a beating and ruin him.

(01-16-2021, 09:11 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Yet if you actually talk to people they think our offense is set except for TE. I've literally seen more than 50% of people say our WRs are fine as is, Robinson is a stud (that one is true), our IOL is set, we should give Robinson a mid level deal or franchise tag, and Taylor has been bad but deserves another chance.

It's laughable.

I respect your opinion but I think a good QB makes an average Oline look really good. I think Trevor will make our line look miles better than what it is. 

Robinson rushed for 1070 in 14 games behind this same Oline. 

I think our WR are going to be better once Lawrence is our QB as well. Eifert at TE is just as good any rookie TE not named Kyle Pitts.

Alls I’m saying is Trevor Lawrence is going to make our entire team better.

(01-18-2021, 12:29 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2021, 09:11 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Yet if you actually talk to people they think our offense is set except for TE. I've literally seen more than 50% of people say our WRs are fine as is, Robinson is a stud (that one is true), our IOL is set, we should give Robinson a mid level deal or franchise tag, and Taylor has been bad but deserves another chance.

It's laughable.

I respect your opinion but I think a good QB makes an average Oline look really good. I think Trevor will make our line look miles better than what it is. 

Robinson rushed for 1070 in 14 games behind this same Oline. 

I think our WR are going to be better once Lawrence is our QB as well. Eifert at TE is just as good any rookie TE not named Kyle Pitts.

Alls I’m saying is Trevor Lawrence is going to make our entire team better.

We're not average though. We have bad OT's and an average interior. We MUST upgrade the OT's or we're gonna end up with a Joe Burrow situation. We are fine at receiver though. I also believe we will be fine at TE, even if we don't get a big name. That would not prevent me from pursuing Jonnu Smith in free agency though. I still make him a priority signing.

(01-18-2021, 12:29 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2021, 09:11 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Yet if you actually talk to people they think our offense is set except for TE. I've literally seen more than 50% of people say our WRs are fine as is, Robinson is a stud (that one is true), our IOL is set, we should give Robinson a mid level deal or franchise tag, and Taylor has been bad but deserves another chance.

It's laughable.

I respect your opinion but I think a good QB makes an average Oline look really good. I think Trevor will make our line look miles better than what it is. 

Robinson rushed for 1070 in 14 games behind this same Oline. 

I think our WR are going to be better once Lawrence is our QB as well. Eifert at TE is just as good any rookie TE not named Kyle Pitts.

Alls I’m saying is Trevor Lawrence is going to make our entire team better.

So you think Trevor will be at Manning's level in his rookie year?? could you remind me why Luck retired and how was his career? Weird how the Texans traded for Tunsil if "good QBs can make O-lines look better". No, it's not good QBs, it is great QBs who are able to do that. Trevor will be a rookie.

Only an idiot would not upgrade our O-line.

(01-18-2021, 12:29 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-16-2021, 09:11 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Yet if you actually talk to people they think our offense is set except for TE. I've literally seen more than 50% of people say our WRs are fine as is, Robinson is a stud (that one is true), our IOL is set, we should give Robinson a mid level deal or franchise tag, and Taylor has been bad but deserves another chance.

It's laughable.

I respect your opinion but I think a good QB makes an average Oline look really good. I think Trevor will make our line look miles better than what it is. 

Robinson rushed for 1070 in 14 games behind this same Oline. 

I think our WR are going to be better once Lawrence is our QB as well. Eifert at TE is just as good any rookie TE not named Kyle Pitts.

Alls I’m saying is Trevor Lawrence is going to make our entire team better.

Our IOL when healthy, which is a big caveat since Linder misses so much time, is probably a little above average. Our OTs are bottom tier. They are fine run blockers, but protecting the future of the franchise is far more important and both Cam and Jawaan are awful at that.

At TE we should sign one of Henry, Jonnu, or Everett because like you said it's unlikely that a rookie will come in an contribute much. Eifert sucks.

(01-18-2021, 10:16 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-18-2021, 12:29 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I respect your opinion but I think a good QB makes an average Oline look really good. I think Trevor will make our line look miles better than what it is. 

Robinson rushed for 1070 in 14 games behind this same Oline. 

I think our WR are going to be better once Lawrence is our QB as well. Eifert at TE is just as good any rookie TE not named Kyle Pitts.

Alls I’m saying is Trevor Lawrence is going to make our entire team better.

We're not average though. We have bad OT's and an average interior. We MUST upgrade the OT's or we're gonna end up with a Joe Burrow situation. We are fine at receiver though. I also believe we will be fine at TE, even if we don't get a big name. That would not prevent me from pursuing Jonnu Smith in free agency though. I still make him a priority signing.

This OL was exactly dead center in the middle of the pack of all the OLs in the league, in QB hits allowed. I'd say you couldn't get much more average than that.. The OL can definitely get better, but it's not as awful as some of you guys try and make it out to be.

(01-18-2021, 06:52 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-18-2021, 10:16 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]We're not average though. We have bad OT's and an average interior. We MUST upgrade the OT's or we're gonna end up with a Joe Burrow situation. We are fine at receiver though. I also believe we will be fine at TE, even if we don't get a big name. That would not prevent me from pursuing Jonnu Smith in free agency though. I still make him a priority signing.

This OL was exactly dead center in the middle of the pack of all the OLs in the league, in QB hits allowed. I'd say you couldn't get much more average than that.. The OL can definitely get better, but it's not as awful as some of you guys try and make it out to be.

You have to examine that stat a little closer though. The vast majority of those hits on the QB came via the OT positions. They have to be improved.

(01-17-2021, 04:06 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]I agree Offense should be prioritized.  Look at the Rams last night. The #1 defense got handled easily by the packers. The rules have shifted too much towards the offense.

Totally agree and this fact seems to be lost on so many. The game has changed.

(01-18-2021, 06:52 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-18-2021, 10:16 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]We're not average though. We have bad OT's and an average interior. We MUST upgrade the OT's or we're gonna end up with a Joe Burrow situation. We are fine at receiver though. I also believe we will be fine at TE, even if we don't get a big name. That would not prevent me from pursuing Jonnu Smith in free agency though. I still make him a priority signing.

This OL was exactly dead center in the middle of the pack of all the OLs in the league, in QB hits allowed. I'd say you couldn't get much more average than that.. The OL can definitely get better, but it's not as awful as some of you guys try and make it out to be.

Gruden runs an offense designed for quick short passes. Your QB doesn't get hit much on quick routes and plays.

The problem was when the QB had to hold the ball for deeper plays to develop. That's when the QB got hit too much.

This team needs more speed period.

I would take a different view than some of you.  I'm not a believer that just because you draft a quarterback first that you must focus exclusively on offense.  I'm a believer that the best way for a team to improve is to turn your weaknesses into strengths.  That means if the value is equal, you go after needs, wherever they are.  With plenty of money in free agency and extra draft picks, we should be able to plan it so that value meets need.  I do think we have more weaknesses on defense and I think we'll have more new defensive starters next year than offensive ones.  

In regards to the offense, the Jaguars running game was good.  The passing game sucked.  Change starts with the quarterback in Trevor Lawrence.  We then need a better left tackle.  I would like Trent Williams, but so do a lot of other teams.  If we can't get him, use a high draft pick on left tackle.  I would also upgrade tight end.  I would decline the option on Eifert which is for way more money than he's worth.  Use that money plus some of our other money under the cap and get either Jonnu Smith or Hunter Henry in free agency.  We won't be drafting high enough to get Kyle Pitts and rookies tight ends often don't produce initially.  While I understand people's frustration with Taylor, I don't see him being replaced so soon.  Let's hope a new offensive line coach can get the full potential out of him.  While it wouldn't be completely off the table, I don't think that we make a major acquisition at wide receiver.  Our wide receivers will look better with a better quarterback.  Shenault and Johnson were also rookies who likely will take a step up in year two.

(01-18-2021, 08:37 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-18-2021, 06:52 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]This OL was exactly dead center in the middle of the pack of all the OLs in the league, in QB hits allowed. I'd say you couldn't get much more average than that.. The OL can definitely get better, but it's not as awful as some of you guys try and make it out to be.

Gruden runs an offense designed for quick short passes. Your QB doesn't get hit much on quick routes and plays.

The problem was when the QB had to hold the ball for deeper plays to develop. That's when the QB got hit too much.

I agree with this line of thinking. Middle of the pack in hits allowed in a Gruden offense is quite bad.