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I’m not impressed with Baalke’s record. I like his value based philosophy, but when it comes to making pics he’s not good, worse than Caldwell.

This was my biggest concern when we hired him. It does worry me a bit, this year we need to hit on the first 4 picks and realistically get decent production out of the next 3.

(04-25-2021, 05:16 PM)BristolianJaguar Wrote: [ -> ]This was my biggest concern when we hired him. It does worry me a bit, this year we need to hit on the first 4 picks and realistically get decent production out of the next 3.

The odds of the first 7 picks being "successful" starters are very slim.  Any player taken in the 1st round has only just over 50% chance at being a successful starter.  The odds drop off substantially after round 1.

As long as 1.1 is successful I'm happy.

I wouldn't worry about Baalke's drat history too much. Most people seem to think it's Meyer that is the ultimate decision maker after Khan.

(04-25-2021, 05:43 PM)HCanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]As long as 1.1 is successful I'm happy.

I wouldn't worry about Baalke's drat history too much. Most people seem to think it's Meyer that is the ultimate decision maker after Khan.

That’s probably even worse. We’ll end up with mainly Ohio State and Florida players simply because Urbs has the “inside scoop” from his network. Can we hire Caldwell to replace Baalke? Dave could run the scouting dept and make picks starting in the second round. First round picks would be made via consensus polling of season ticket holders. Last year we would’ve selected Tristan Wirfs and Justin Jefferson based on what this board wanted.

Baalke loves drafting ACL tears so maybe we should be penciling in Dickerson at 33.

(04-25-2021, 04:28 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]I’m not impressed with Baalke’s record. I like his value based philosophy, but when it comes to making pics he’s not good, worse than Caldwell.

The good thing is it won't be all Baalke setting the bigboard.  It will be Baalke, Meyer, along with the scouts in a collective group when making the board thank god.

My favorite pick from Baalke was Navorro Bowman even when they had Patrick Willis

My personal opinion is that 25th pick should be used to get more offensive line help if one of the better linemen falls.

(04-25-2021, 05:33 PM)ATLjag Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-25-2021, 05:16 PM)BristolianJaguar Wrote: [ -> ]This was my biggest concern when we hired him. It does worry me a bit, this year we need to hit on the first 4 picks and realistically get decent production out of the next 3.

The odds of the first 7 picks being "successful" starters are very slim.  Any player taken in the 1st round has only just over 50% chance at being a successful starter.  The odds drop off substantially after round 1.

Yea I agree the likely hood of what I said is slim to none. However we need this to be a blockbuster draft outside of the TLaw pick. Let’s all cross fingers and hope that it happens.

(04-25-2021, 06:35 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-25-2021, 05:43 PM)HCanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]As long as 1.1 is successful I'm happy.

I wouldn't worry about Baalke's drat history too much. Most people seem to think it's Meyer that is the ultimate decision maker after Khan.

That’s probably even worse. We’ll end up with mainly Ohio State and Florida players simply because Urbs has the “inside scoop” from his network. Can we hire Caldwell to replace Baalke? Dave could run the scouting dept and make picks starting in the second round. First round picks would be made via consensus polling of season ticket holders. Last year we would’ve selected Tristan Wirfs and Justin Jefferson based on what this board wanted.

based on that, would you say guys like Doyle at Iowa, Herman (formerly) at Texas, Fickell at Cincy would be considered 'within his network'?

I'd say Schiano at Rutgers but 1) like farts anyone from Rutgers is gonna be worth taking and 2) screw him forever

His draft history with the 49ers is painfully bad.  I hope Urban handles the draft while Baalke is primarily there to manage the cap or do something other than draft players.

Year Rnd Player Pick Posi College/Univ
2011 1 Aldon Smith 7 DE Missouri
2012 1 A.J. Jenkins 30 WR Illinois
2013 1 Eric Reid 18 DB LSU
2014 1 Jimmie Ward 30 DB Northern Illinois
2015 1 Arik Armstead 17 DT Oregon
2016 1 DeForest Buckner 7 DE Oregon
2016 1 Joshua Garnett 28 G Stanford
2011 2 Colin Kaepernick 36 QB Nevada
2012 2 LaMichael James 61 RB Oregon
2013 2 Tank Carradine 40 DE Florida St.
2013 2 Vance McDonald 55 TE Rice
2014 2 Carlos Hyde 57 RB Ohio St.
2015 2 Jaquiski Tartt 46 S Samford
2011 3 Chris Culliver 80 DB South Carolina
2013 3 Corey Lemonier 88 DE Auburn
2014 3 Marcus Martin 70 C USC
2014 3 Chris Borland 77 LB Wisconsin
2014 3 Brandon Thomas 100 OL Clemson
2015 3 Eli Harold 79 OLB Virginia
2016 3 Will Redmond 68 CB Mississippi St.
2011 4 Kendall Hunter 115 RB Oklahoma St.
2012 4 Joe Looney 117 G Wake Forest
2013 4 Quinton Patton 128 WR Louisiana Tech
2013 4 Marcus Lattimore 131 RB South Carolina
2014 4 Bruce Ellington 106 WR South Carolina
2014 4 Dontae Johnson 129 DB North Carolina St.
2015 4 Blake Bell 117 TE Oklahoma
2015 4 Mike Davis 126 RB South Carolina
2015 4 DeAndre Smelter 132 WR Georgia Tech
2016 4 Rashard Robinson 133 CB LSU
2011 5 Daniel Kilgore 163 G Appalachian St.
2012 5 Darius Fleming 165 LB Notre Dame
2013 5 Quinton Dial 157 DE Alabama
2014 5 Aaron Lynch 150 DE South Florida
2014 5 Keith Reaser 170 DB Florida Atlantic
2015 5 Bradley Pinion 165 P Clemson
2016 5 Ronald Blair 142 DE Appalachian St.
2016 5 John Theus 145 T Georgia
2016 5 Fahn Cooper 174 T Mississippi
2011 6 Ronald Johnson 182 WR USC
2011 6 Colin Jones 190 DB TCU
2012 6 Trent Robinson 180 DB Michigan St.
2012 6 Jason Slowey 199 OL Western Oregon
2013 6 Nick Moody 180 LB Florida St.
2014 6 Kenneth Acker 180 DB SMU
2015 6 Ian Silberman 190 G Boston Col.
2016 6 Jeff Driskel 207 QB Louisiana Tech
2016 6 Kelvin Taylor 211 RB Florida
2016 6 Aaron Burbridge 213 WR Michigan St.
2011 7 Bruce Miller 211 DE Central Florida
2011 7 Michael Person 239 G Montana St.
2011 7 Curtis Holc
2012 7 Cam Johnson 237 DE Virginia
2013 7 B.J. Daniels 237 QB South Florida
2013 7 Carter Bykowski 246 OL Iowa St.
2013 7 Marcus Cooper 252 DB Rutgers
2014 7 Kaleb Ramsey 243 DE Boston Col.
2014 7 Trey Millard 245 FB Oklahoma
2015 7 Trent Brown 244 G Florida
2015 7 Rory Anderson 254 TE South Carolina
2016 7 Prince Charles Iworah 249 CB Western Kentucky

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(04-25-2021, 08:38 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]My favorite pick from Baalke was Navorro Bowman even when they had Patrick Willis

That pick was made prior to Baalke taking over as GM of the 49ers .... lol

Why did we hire someone with such a poor record in the first place?

Oh right.. Khan already knew who he wanted at HC, and what GM worth their salt wants to be tied to an HC they didn't choose?

The whole idea of getting rid of Caldwell was to upgrade the position... we didn't do that. I actually started to miss Caldwell the moment they announced Baalke was gonna be the GM.

I think we blew our cheap budget on the HC so we went low on GM. As you all know, the Jags have been one of the lowest paying teams when it comes to HC salary over the history of its existence.

(04-25-2021, 05:43 PM)LllCanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]As long as 1.1 is successful I'm happy.

I wouldn't worry about Baalke's draft history too much. Most people seem to think it's Meyer that is the ultimate decision maker after Khan.

Meyer has expressed on more than one occasion how important the first four picks in the draft are to the success of the Jaguars. There is no doubt he is very involved in those selections and the rest of the draft. By the time they finish the draft board Meyer will ensure that all the players meet his Standard. I wouldn’t worry too much about Baalk’s draft history.

(04-26-2021, 10:46 AM)The Eleventh Doctor Wrote: [ -> ]Why did we hire someone with such a poor record in the first place?

Oh right.. Khan already knew who he wanted at HC, and what GM worth their salt wants to be tied to an HC they didn't choose?

I think what happened was to save his job/elevate himself, Baalke recommended Urban Meyer. Remember that Baalke loved himself some Chip Kelly and Jim Harbaugh (before their strong personalities clashed). He sold Khan on Urban. This clouded Khan's vision. Khan should've kept Caldwell over the scouting dept, and just given Baalke a consulting bonus for his "good idea." Caldwell could've worked with Urban and handled being GM in name only, as that's what he was under Coughlin.