I remember sitting in my dorm with a 30 pack as the Jags took Mercedes Lewis and MJD. I was so pumped.
2014 had me hyped with the Allen Bros. 2016 with Ramsey, Jack and Yan.
But I am the most excited I have ever been for a draft. I'm gonna hook up my projector with my big screen in the backyard. Get a fire going with the Solo Stove and drink some beers with my friends. Ready for whatever happens!
(04-27-2021, 11:57 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I remember sitting in my dorm with a 30 pack as the Jags took Mercedes Lewis and MJD. I was so pumped.
2014 had me hyped with the Allen Bros. 2016 with Ramsey, Jack and Yan.
But I am the most excited I have ever been for a draft. I'm gonna hook up my projector with my big screen in the backyard. Get a fire going with the Solo Stove and drink some beers with my friends. Ready for whatever happens!
I liked when they had the draft on Saturdays and Sundays. You could plan your whole weekend around it, and didn't have to worry about work.
This organization has to be the most excited about the draft because the Jags have the most to gain..
2 days seems like an eternity but I remember watching the draft countdown on the NFL Network and we had 100 days to go..
(04-27-2021, 10:54 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2021, 10:48 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Lawrence lost weight because of the surgery, as I recall. He usually plays around 220 and should be able to carry 230 with no problem. Agreed that Tonda is likely a 6th or 7th rounder.
That was his measurements on his pro day. His pro day was before his surgery. That is why he had it so early.
Hard to keep up a workout regimen with a torn labrum.
(04-27-2021, 10:37 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2021, 10:34 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Did you check out that BYU roster? He wasn't exactly surrounded by stars. He may be the only BYU player that is drafted. A QB, even a great one, can't win games by themselves. Some of the throws he made were amazing.
Brady Christensen will be taken no later than the 5th round, most likely mid 4th. They also have a decent NT in Khyris Tonga.
I wouldnt say he is likely mid 4th. I think he goes before that. If we haven't drafted a LT before our 4th he would be a steal there imo
(04-27-2021, 10:34 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2021, 10:26 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]![[Image: Ezl2RhCUYAAqbDo.jpg]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ezl2RhCUYAAqbDo.jpg)
Did you check out that BYU roster? He wasn't exactly surrounded by stars. He may be the only BYU player that is drafted. A QB, even a great one, can't win games by themselves. Some of the throws he made were amazing.
The teams with 10 wins in which Zach Wilson threw 1 TD and 7 Ints were the following:
* Coastal Carolina
* San Diego State
* Utah
* Hawaii
* Boise State
Zach, as a #2 pick, is supposed to stand out against those types of teams; be a difference maker. Instead, he melted.
(04-27-2021, 11:57 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I remember sitting in my dorm with a 30 pack as the Jags took Mercedes Lewis and MJD. I was so pumped.
2014 had me hyped with the Allen Bros. 2016 with Ramsey, Jack and Yan.
But I am the most excited I have ever been for a draft. I'm gonna hook up my projector with my big screen in the backyard. Get a fire going with the Solo Stove and drink some beers with my friends. Ready for whatever happens!
That's my type of evening. Although, I'll hit the sports bar for the initial 2 hours just to get out a bit, I like the idea of staying home to hear the analysts coupled with the evening weather this time of the year -- pretty much 65 - 70 degrees with a little breeze.
(04-27-2021, 11:20 AM)JagFanFirst Wrote: [ -> ]My expectations are low--and realistic. He may not be a HOFer, but he will be the best QB the Jags ever had.
If you tell me that he's going to be better than Brunell and have a long career here in Jacksonville (15+ years), I'd sign up for that right now.
(04-27-2021, 02:26 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2021, 11:20 AM)JagFanFirst Wrote: [ -> ]My expectations are low--and realistic. He may not be a HOFer, but he will be the best QB the Jags ever had.
If you tell me that he's going to be better than Brunell and have a long career here in Jacksonville (15+ years), I'd sign up for that right now.
But does that mean multiple SB trips?
The expectations for this kid are so high that if he doesn’t win a SB and go to a few others, he won’t be looked at as a success. The AFC is loaded with young QBs. Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow, Zach Wilson, Lamar, Watson (maybe), Tua.... Gonna be a gauntlet for a long time in the AFC and I’m thankful the Jags have Lawrence because without him, our chances were slim to none.
(04-27-2021, 09:08 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]In 2 days our franchise could potentially change forever, or for the next few decades at the very least. I finally remember what it's like when I was a kid on Christmas again. I'm excited as he'll. Are most on here excited as i am?
Honestly I'm more excited about getting out of the house and hanging with friends. The darft is just gravy on top.
Honestly I have looked at, run, and analyzed so many mocks at this point I just want it done. There are tons of guys available who can help us win. We surely won't get every one of them, but I'm sure I will be surprised, frustrated, and eager by the time Saturday evening rolls around.
(04-27-2021, 09:34 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2021, 09:22 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Thank you Jets !!! I'd probably be sick to my stomach now if we were picking #2. Instead, I can relax and start my happy hour at 6pm on Thursday !!!
Yea, I have a few friends that are die-hard Jet fans. They are sick they are drafting #2. I have heard everything you can think of from them as to why they deserve TL. I can identify with their feelings. I felt that way the moment the Colt defense fell down at the goal line letting Fred Taylor score a last minute touchdown to win the game enabling them to draft Luck. All I can say to them is too bad so sad...
They employed Gregg Williams; karma, as they say, is a b
(04-27-2021, 10:26 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2021, 10:13 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I honestly love Wilson and have him virtually neck and neck with Lawrence.
Because one player occupies all 22 places on the field for a team.
I'd be more interested on his stat lines or game film - was his line holding up? Could his receivers manage any separation?
I wonder if Roethlisberger ever managed to beat a 10-win team while he was in school...
(04-27-2021, 04:26 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2021, 10:26 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]
Because one player occupies all 22 places on the field for a team.
I'd be more interested on his stat lines or game film - was his line holding up? Could his receivers manage any separation?
I wonder if Roethlisberger ever managed to beat a 10-win team while he was in school...
He threw 7 ints in those games. You can't keep blaming everybody else.
(04-27-2021, 02:14 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2021, 10:34 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Did you check out that BYU roster? He wasn't exactly surrounded by stars. He may be the only BYU player that is drafted. A QB, even a great one, can't win games by themselves. Some of the throws he made were amazing.
The teams with 10 wins in which Zach Wilson threw 1 TD and 7 Ints were the following:
* Coastal Carolina
* San Diego State
* Utah
* Hawaii
* Boise State
Zach, as a #2 pick, is supposed to stand out against those types of teams; be a difference maker. Instead, he melted.
Huh? How could he throw 7 INTs when he threw 33 TDs and only 3 INT's last season? That doesn't make sense. You can't count anything before last season, because good QB's progress as they get more experience and reps. Wilson showed great progression. Last season, he looked like a franchise QB.
(04-27-2021, 02:14 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2021, 10:34 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Did you check out that BYU roster? He wasn't exactly surrounded by stars. He may be the only BYU player that is drafted. A QB, even a great one, can't win games by themselves. Some of the throws he made were amazing.
The teams with 10 wins in which Zach Wilson threw 1 TD and 7 Ints were the following:
* Coastal Carolina
* San Diego State
* Utah
* Hawaii
* Boise State
Zach, as a #2 pick, is supposed to stand out against those types of teams; be a difference maker. Instead, he melted.
He threw 1 TD and 7 Ints in college football (one step above high school football).
ANY college QB is a crap-shoot in the NFL draft.
Honestly as someone who grew up in NY capitol area, NYC is reverting to garbage. Not so sure it is an IT market anymore. All of the people of means are out of there. I am impressed with the deals TL is picking up.
I am excited that we have a franchise first and the opportunity to do something with that pick. This could be the great shift we have been waiting for in our Fandom. I so want to see if ESPN cuts to commercial during our time. It will happen at 25.
(04-27-2021, 05:47 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2021, 02:14 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]The teams with 10 wins in which Zach Wilson threw 1 TD and 7 Ints were the following:
* Coastal Carolina
* San Diego State
* Utah
* Hawaii
* Boise State
Zach, as a #2 pick, is supposed to stand out against those types of teams; be a difference maker. Instead, he melted.
Huh? How could he throw 7 INTs when he threw 33 TDs and only 3 INT's last season? That doesn't make sense. You can't count anything before last season, because good QB's progress as they get more experience and reps. Wilson showed great progression. Last season, he looked like a franchise QB.
This has to be over the course of his career.
But your point raises a question.
Did Wilson progress, or was his last season an aberration?
If his last season represents development, what took him so long to become a dominant passer? Was was missing from his game as a freshman and sophomore that he fixed over the course of his junior year?
(04-27-2021, 07:13 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2021, 05:47 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Huh? How could he throw 7 INTs when he threw 33 TDs and only 3 INT's last season? That doesn't make sense. You can't count anything before last season, because good QB's progress as they get more experience and reps. Wilson showed great progression. Last season, he looked like a franchise QB.
This has to be over the course of his career.
But your point raises a question.
Did Wilson progress, or was his last season an aberration?
If his last season represents development, what took him so long to become a dominant passer? Was was missing from his game as a freshman and sophomore that he fixed over the course of his junior year?
What took Joe Burrow so long to progress? Who knows, the point is he did and become the #1 overall pick and was looking pretty good for a horrible Bengals team until he got demolished and injured. Wilson has the same type of college career. He started out slower, but made some improvements and finally, last season everything started to click. To me, as long as he finally gets it, who cares how he got here? The point is, he got to where he needed to be and he was throwing "dimes" all over the place. The only thing we should be looking at is the progression he made in his final season.
(04-27-2021, 08:00 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2021, 07:13 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]This has to be over the course of his career.
But your point raises a question.
Did Wilson progress, or was his last season an aberration?
If his last season represents development, what took him so long to become a dominant passer? Was was missing from his game as a freshman and sophomore that he fixed over the course of his junior year?
What took Joe Burrow so long to progress? Who knows, the point is he did and become the #1 overall pick and was looking pretty good for a horrible Bengals team until he got demolished and injured. Wilson has the same type of college career. He started out slower, but made some improvements and finally, last season everything started to click. To me, as long as he finally gets it, who cares how he got here? The point is, he got to where he needed to be and he was throwing "dimes" all over the place. The only thing we should be looking at is the progression he made in his final season.
Burrow was behind a QB that was drafted in the first round. Wilson was not.
Burrow wound up transferring to LSU and wound up getting with a great offensive coach with a lot os surrounding talent.
Wilson was in the same scheme under the same coach all three seasons.
As I said I think he can succeed if he gets help.
But there are questions/concerns.
It'll just be really nice for a change that I can go into the draft knowing that the Jags will come out with at least one very good player (Lawrence.) I normally feel tense and on edge the day before the draft, but I'm a lot more relaxed than usual. I really like this feeling, but it doesn't mean that I wanna have the #1 pick every year. We just picked a good year to do it.
You guys are killing me with this left tackle stuff. I just ain’t seeing it. Better hope we can hold Derrick Henry to under 200 twice a year. And if Wilson is chasing a WR4 because he bit again, then I might just throw up. Who knows what we have in the secondary. Josh Allen in this 34 could be his last year in a Jaguar uniform unless he replicates his rookie year.
If we don’t get a LT then we don’t. Bring a TE down and chip. Have a RB chip. Run screens. Run RPO. Cam is gonna have to buck up.
But for all of you guys that want QB LT TE, I hope we draft Lawrence, then trade up to number 5 and get Pitts, and then trade the rest of the draft capital away and draft the best LT available. And I hope we sign Forrest Lamp. Can’t forget about that guy.
Oh and then sign Alex Smith on as a coach so he can mentor all the QBs and pat them on the back when they throw an interception.
Who cares if we givin’ up 40 per. Long as we get QB LT TE Lamp and Smith.
(04-27-2021, 08:56 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (04-27-2021, 08:00 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]What took Joe Burrow so long to progress? Who knows, the point is he did and become the #1 overall pick and was looking pretty good for a horrible Bengals team until he got demolished and injured. Wilson has the same type of college career. He started out slower, but made some improvements and finally, last season everything started to click. To me, as long as he finally gets it, who cares how he got here? The point is, he got to where he needed to be and he was throwing "dimes" all over the place. The only thing we should be looking at is the progression he made in his final season.
Burrow was behind a QB that was drafted in the first round. Wilson was not.
Burrow wound up transferring to LSU and wound up getting with a great offensive coach with a lot os surrounding talent.
Wilson was in the same scheme under the same coach all three seasons.
As I said I think he can succeed if he gets help.
But there are questions/concerns.
When Burrow first went to LSU, I remember watching him and thinking how badly he sucked! Despite being surrounded by great coaching and extremely talented players, he only was completing 57.8% of his passes. He was missing passes right and left. I thought at best, he'd be a late round pick. Then he came back in 2019 and looked like a completely different QB. He seemed unstoppable. He couldn't miss. It was as close to a perfect season as I have ever seen. I didn't question how it happened or how bad he was the year before, I just saw the vast improvement he made in one season and went with it. The same goes for Zach Wilson. He looks like a completely different QB now, than he did from 2019. He looks way more comfortable in the pocket, his accuracy is pinpoint and he appears to be trusting the players around him to do their jobs. I also read that he really stepped up into the leadership role as well. I don't care about his past performances. I just see what he is now and imo, that is unquestionably, the #2 QB in this class by a mile.
(04-28-2021, 01:20 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]You guys are killing me with this left tackle stuff. I just ain’t seeing it. Better hope we can hold Derrick Henry to under 200 twice a year. And if Wilson is chasing a WR4 because he bit again, then I might just throw up. Who knows what we have in the secondary. Josh Allen in this 34 could be his last year in a Jaguar uniform unless he replicates his rookie year.
If we don’t get a LT then we don’t. Bring a TE down and chip. Have a RB chip. Run screens. Run RPO. Cam is gonna have to buck up.
But for all of you guys that want QB LT TE, I hope we draft Lawrence, then trade up to number 5 and get Pitts, and then trade the rest of the draft capital away and draft the best LT available. And I hope we sign Forrest Lamp. Can’t forget about that guy.
Oh and then sign Alex Smith on as a coach so he can mentor all the QBs and pat them on the back when they throw an interception.
Who cares if we givin’ up 40 per. Long as we get QB LT TE Lamp and Smith.
I don't care if it's a LT or a RT, both completely suck! Taylor sucks worse than Robinson though. I just want one of these guys replaced. It doesn't matter which one.