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88th overall on ProFootballNetwork’s board. Seems like an excellent scheme fit

(05-01-2021, 01:57 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2021, 01:48 PM)rufftime Wrote: [ -> ]I always love coming here for an informed debate.  

I think it is fine for you to like the picks and be happy about the new crop of players.  I also think some of the nay sayers are being a bit dramatic.

Honestly the baby noise stuff just makes you look like a twit though.

But dude....that’s all it’s been ever since pick 25. Just whining and crying. That’s how my brain processes what they’re saying. I’m actually tired of seeing it. 

We’ve never had to endure a 1 win season, but yet we have fans that act like we are a couple players away from a ring. They are ridiculing every single pick and the ball hasn’t even been snapped yet.

Just sick of the crying. We drafted a RB that averaged 7.9 and....never mind bro.

You are actually the person being the most annoying on here.  The only crying on this board is when you make those baby sounds and it makes you look childish.  While I agree with Rufftime that some people on here are being overly dramatic, most of the criticism is informed and the people are making legitimate points.  I want to hear those points, even if I don't always personally agree.  I don't like it when people are criticized for being negative on a selection if that is their honest opinion.

I can talk myself into a half decent pass rush with Josh Allen, Chaisson, Smoot, and Smith

(05-01-2021, 02:19 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]88th overall on ProFootballNetwork’s board. Seems like an excellent scheme fit

This is what most guys do. See what the internet says and run with that.

No offense to you JNev, bc I feel like he’s a good fit too.

(05-01-2021, 02:22 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2021, 02:19 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]88th overall on ProFootballNetwork’s board. Seems like an excellent scheme fit

This is what most guys do. See what the internet says and run with that.

No offense to you JNev, bc I feel like he’s a good fit too.

None taken, no one could possibly know everyone in such detail, you gotta do it sometimes. I’d heard his name a few times between all the draft guys I follow on Twitter throughout the whole process. He’s got great size and production. As said before too he had a nice Senior Bowl too

(05-01-2021, 02:21 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2021, 01:57 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]But dude....that’s all it’s been ever since pick 25. Just whining and crying. That’s how my brain processes what they’re saying. I’m actually tired of seeing it. 

We’ve never had to endure a 1 win season, but yet we have fans that act like we are a couple players away from a ring. They are ridiculing every single pick and the ball hasn’t even been snapped yet.

Just sick of the crying. We drafted a RB that averaged 7.9 and....never mind bro.

You are actually the person being the most annoying on here.  The only crying on this board is when you make those baby sounds and it makes you look childish.  While I agree with Rufftime that some people on here are being overly dramatic, most of the criticism is informed and the people are making legitimate points.  I want to hear those points, even if I don't always personally agree.  I don't like it when people are criticized for being negative on a selection if that is their honest opinion.

Dude every pick is nothing but nelly aching and crying because their board has someone higher. That’s what’s most annoying. And I stopped with the waa’s

(05-01-2021, 02:24 PM)JNev Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2021, 02:22 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]This is what most guys do. See what the internet says and run with that.

No offense to you JNev, bc I feel like he’s a good fit too.

None taken, no one could possibly know everyone in such detail, you gotta do it sometimes. I’d heard his name a few times between all the draft guys I follow on Twitter throughout the whole process. He’s got great size and production. As said before too he had a nice Senior Bowl too

Agreed. 

As a fan of the Jaguars, can he line up and sack the QB or stuff the run?? Literally nobody knows. Not even Bill Belicek, Bill Parcells, Urban Meyer, Tim Tebow etc.

Can we all just wait and see. I mean we got Trevor freakin Lawrence!

(05-01-2021, 01:06 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]So for all you Gators homers...he was a Gator at one time but got charged with a felony. Went the Juco route and had 102 pressures in 2 seasons. Had 12.5 sacks in his first season and 8 in his last.

However they lined him up in all defensive line positions. He’s 6’6” 250

He has excellent vertical speed. Weakness is run defense

sounds like he'll kick to OLB rather than bulk up to play 3-4 DE

(05-01-2021, 01:48 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't have much first hand knowledge of him, but NFL.com had him rated as "good backup who could become a starter".  The Draft Network has a pretty good write-up.  Please note the section that I've highlighted in bold.

Jordan Smith began his career as a member of the Florida Gators but was one of nine players suspended for the 2017 season due to his role in an alleged credit card fraud scheme. He attended JUCO before landing at UAB, where he emerged as one of the top defenders in the AAC in 2019 and 2020. Across 21 games, he racked up 89 tackles, 23.5 tackles for loss, 12.5 sacks, three forced fumbles, and an interception. Smith’s blend of size, length, effort, and athleticism makes him an appealing edge defender at the next level that best fits in a base 3-4 defense that incorporates hybrid fronts. With that said, there is some notable rawness to his game when it comes to having a rush plan, deploying pass rush moves, and processing. Smith is a highly appealing piece of moldable clay, but there is plenty of room for him to grow and he’ll need to in order to become an impact playmaker in the NFL on every down and not just a situational guy. At the end of the day, Smith’s toolbox is loaded and has a chance to be a steal in the right situation. 


Ideal Role: Developmental rush linebacker.

Scheme Fit: 3-4, hybrid fronts.

Sounds like a perfect fit for our new defensive scheme.

(05-01-2021, 02:31 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Ideal Role: Developmental rush linebacker.

Scheme Fit: 3-4, hybrid fronts.

Sounds like a perfect fit for our new defensive scheme.
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The problem is there were a lot of other EDGEs with those same descriptions that have far better traits. I guess we'll see but not taking someone like Kaindoh, Toney, Robinson, etc to develop doesn't sound +EV to me.

(05-01-2021, 02:34 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2021, 02:31 PM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]Ideal Role: Developmental rush linebacker.

Scheme Fit: 3-4, hybrid fronts.

Sounds like a perfect fit for our new defensive scheme.

The problem is there were a lot of other EDGEs with those same descriptions that have far better traits. I guess we'll see but not taking someone like Kaindoh, Toney, Robinson, etc to develop doesn't sound +EV to me.
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He is a 4th rd pick. Anyone picked here is pretty much a gamble otherwise they wouldn't be a 4th rd pick. Everyone you mentioned has major flaws that could prevent them from ever making it in the NFL otherwise they wouldn't be sitting here in the 4th rd.

Get a grip dude.

(05-01-2021, 02:24 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2021, 02:21 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]You are actually the person being the most annoying on here.  The only crying on this board is when you make those baby sounds and it makes you look childish.  While I agree with Rufftime that some people on here are being overly dramatic, most of the criticism is informed and the people are making legitimate points.  I want to hear those points, even if I don't always personally agree.  I don't like it when people are criticized for being negative on a selection if that is their honest opinion.

Dude every pick is nothing but nelly aching and crying because their board has someone higher. That’s what’s most annoying. And I stopped with the waa’s

Hold on a second.

The NFL puts its product out for public consumption.  All of the games are televised.

Hell, their draft is televised.

When they televise their product and put it out for public consumption, fans who consume that product are going to have varying opinions.

Just like any restaurant.

Just like any auto manufacturer.

Just like any movie producer.

I don't think most here are trolling when they offer their criticisms.

I haven't seen a single post on this board that criticized the Jaguars for the Trevor Lawrence pick.  I don't think anyone who posts on this board-save the occasional tack or colt fan, has any real incentive to simply trash the team for everything it does for no reason.  I think the bulk of negative posts are based on good football reasoning and legitimate concern.

Even if I disagree with the reasoning or the conclusions, I can't fault people for offering honest opinions.

(05-01-2021, 02:49 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]He is a 4th rd pick. Anyone picked here is pretty much a gamble otherwise they wouldn't be a 4th rd pick. Everyone you mentioned has major flaws that could prevent them from ever making it in the NFL otherwise they wouldn't be sitting here in the 4th rd.

Get a grip dude.

The 4th round isn't late, and we traded up to get him so they must have felt extra convicted about him. Like I said we'll see, it's not like I have strong feelings about him except that his traits are quite underwhelming compared to some of his peers that were also available.

(05-01-2021, 02:56 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2021, 02:49 PM)Predator Wrote: [ -> ]He is a 4th rd pick. Anyone picked here is pretty much a gamble otherwise they wouldn't be a 4th rd pick. Everyone you mentioned has major flaws that could prevent them from ever making it in the NFL otherwise they wouldn't be sitting here in the 4th rd.

Get a grip dude.

The 4th round isn't late, and we traded up to get him so they must have felt extra convicted about him. Like I said we'll see, it's not like I have strong feelings about him except that his traits are quite underwhelming compared to some of his peers that were also available.

Everyone picked from here on has bad traits that can prevent them from ever being successful in the NFL. The guys you mentioned may have better traits, but at the same time may have bigger flaws. Quit trying to over analyze things you don't have a clue about. It doesn't make you look smart or informed.

Oh my god a 7.82 3 cone is breathtakingly bad for an EDGE.

I was texting my friend who is a UAB fan to ask more about Jordan Smith. He said:

"Jordan Smith is a beast. Really athletic and was one of the stars on what was a really good UAB defense last year. If he gets on an NFL weight program and gets a little bigger/stronger he could be a contributor on defense. Not a bad pick IMO"

(05-01-2021, 08:33 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Oh my god a 7.82 3 cone is breathtakingly bad for an EDGE.

What an intelligent person does when they see a stat like that is go to the game tape and see if that time indicates anything in particular, or if it's just a case of a guy who for some reason ran a poor 3 cone drill.  Combine stats are not the be-all/end-all of scouting.  They just lead you back to the game tape for a re-check.

(05-02-2021, 11:09 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-01-2021, 08:33 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Oh my god a 7.82 3 cone is breathtakingly bad for an EDGE.

What an intelligent person does when they see a stat like that is go to the game tape and see if that time indicates anything in particular, or if it's just a case of a guy who for some reason ran a poor 3 cone drill.  Combine stats are not the be-all/end-all of scouting.  They just lead you back to the game tape for a re-check.

Well the one clip people on twitter were trying to use to tout Smith after we picked him was extremely unimpressive. The tackle (who is stocking shelves somewhere right now, probably) simply completely whiffed on his punch as Smith did one of the weakest dips and least explosive cornering of the edge that I've ever seen result in a sack.