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05-12-2021, 09:16 PM
(05-12-2021, 05:31 PM)Rockman1966 Wrote: [ -> ]Boselli brought a nastiness that we havent seen since he left. If Brunell was hit late #71 was in that guy's face. He didnt get mad, he got even. TB is absolutely #1 Jaguars player.
It makes me smile to know they are still fans out there that know about Don Bosco Anthony Boselli #71
And you are absolutely right! He was the heart and soul of the team in those 4 straight playoff teams. He and Brunell were best friends and they had weekly bible study and it showed on the field. Boselli opened up a hole that a Mack truck could drive through up in Buffalo in 1996, which was our first taste of playoff football around these parts. Means ran wild that day 31 attempts for 175 yards and a touch. Boselli tossed Bruce Smith around like a rag doll.
05-12-2021, 09:17 PM
(05-12-2021, 03:04 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ](05-12-2021, 01:37 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Great list and idea. Will need a bit of time to think and read about.
One quick question, are you ranking players in terms of pure talent or by how big of an impact they had for us. Or a mix of both?
For example I think in terms of pure talent, Ramsey should be high, I have plenty of issues with him but hes one of the most naturally gifted players I've seen. But Poz did 10 times as much for us as he did.
Thanks.
Thanks man. I ranked them on the impact they made on the field.
@NC thank you for that list. I was speaking of 1st team all pro.
It's not a bad list. The order of many could easily be debated. I think you over-rated players who were really good for a short period of time and under-rated players who contributed over the long haul. For example, you have Calais Campbell ranked in the very high 12th spot despite only being with the team 3 years with 1 of those seasons not being all that great. Remove the 2017 season from his resume and I doubt you would have even remotely considered him for the top 25. Brad Meester holds the team record for playing 14 seasons and 211 games and he didn't even make your list. Is Bouye's 43 games worth more than Naeole's 87 games or Manuwai's 111 games? I think interior offensive line got overlooked. If it's contributions to the team (and not just pure talent), I think Marcedes Lewis is one who you also have to include. He's actually ranked 3rd all time in receiving yards for the Jaguars and 2nd all time in receiving touchdowns. Overall though, not bad.
05-12-2021, 09:23 PM
(05-12-2021, 05:33 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ](05-12-2021, 05:21 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t about that one ChrisJagBoy.
Brackens in his prime was such a disrupter. He would put their OTs on skates. Marcus Stroud and Big Hen in the middle. Mike Pete calling out the assignments. And the tone setter Darius would hit Hill so hard across the middle that he would do a back flip.
Over on offense Jimmy Smith would go to work with Mark Brunell and Kennan working the sticks. Freddy T would cut back for 60 off Tony Boselli’s pancake.
I think we would crush them with all of our greats in their prime. Jimmy was on another level.
Idk mahomes can match brunells most tds in a season in like 4 games lol
It’s a different game today. Different eras. I mean back in the 90’s it was all about running the ball and stopping the run. It was all about getting your back 30 carries.
Now, there is no doubt in my mind that Pat is more talented than Brunell, but Mark has some of the biggest throws in NFL history. I recently watched NFL’s best passes and Brunell was on there a few times. The pass up in Denver, the passes he threw Jimmy against the 2000 Ravens.
And I will also say Mark was able to scramble and buy time and make plays with his feet just as good if not better than Pat.
Today’s Chiefs don’t want any smoke with PRIME Smith, McCardell, Taylor, Boselli, Brunell, Stroud, Hen, Mathis, Beasley, Darius, Brackens, Walker, Hardy, Pete etc.
05-12-2021, 09:38 PM
(05-12-2021, 09:17 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ](05-12-2021, 03:04 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks man. I ranked them on the impact they made on the field.
@NC thank you for that list. I was speaking of 1st team all pro.
It's not a bad list. The order of many could easily be debated. I think you over-rated players who were really good for a short period of time and under-rated players who contributed over the long haul. For example, you have Calais Campbell ranked in the very high 12th spot despite only being with the team 3 years with 1 of those seasons not being all that great. Remove the 2017 season from his resume and I doubt you would have even remotely considered him for the top 25. Brad Meester holds the team record for playing 14 seasons and 211 games and he didn't even make your list. Is Bouye's 43 games worth more than Naeole's 87 games or Manuwai's 111 games? I think interior offensive line got overlooked. If it's contributions to the team (and not just pure talent), I think Marcedes Lewis is one who you also have to include. He's actually ranked 3rd all time in receiving yards for the Jaguars and 2nd all time in receiving touchdowns. Overall though, not bad.
Agreed. And if I am being honest there was no way I wanted 2 TE’s to make the top 25, so I went with who I thought was the best overall TE which is Kyle Brady.
Lewis was just as good in the run game. Brady has better individual games in my opinion and I believe he was the only TE in team history to have multiple 100 yard games. But you could debate that Lewis caught 10 TDs in 2007.
At the end, I just went with Brady because I can’t remember him dropping a sure fire TD like Lewis has.
Chris Naeole could have easily been added instead of Bouye. At that spot I just felt like Bouye offered a Pro Bowl season during a playoff year and in my eyes he outplayed Jalen Ramsey in which Ramsey was voted All Pro. Bouye had a clutch play to keep our playoff hopes alive so absolutely you could go Chris Naeole at that spot.
And that brings me to Brad Meester. 209 games played which ranks the most of any player in team history. He only missed 15 games during that span. He played LG for 3 years and then moved to Center. He was a model of consistency for the franchise at not such a flashy position. However....the reason I didn’t add Meester to the list is because I look at guys like Frank Gore who has more rushing yards than Fred Taylor but in both of their Primes, I’m going Taylor Made. Now I know that’s a lose comparison but that is the reason why Meester was heavily considered but didn’t quite make it. I don’t think he made any pro bowls but he did play on a couple playoff teams and was apart of MJD and Taylor’s 2007 campaign. Like I said I agree Meester could absolutely be on the list but I just felt like not enough impact. Meester’s backup is in the lineup does anything change? Maybe or maybe not.
(05-12-2021, 07:29 PM)High Octane Wrote: [ -> ]Did looking at this list depress anyone else? I know it's a new-ish franchise, but damn is it lacking some major talent.
Yeah I have to agree with you here. We’re still over here talking about Jimmy Smith, McCardell, and Freddy T and MJD.
I’m hoping Myles Jack can make this list one day and of course Trevor Lawrence or a guy like James Robinson.
Fournette got ran outta town, and then of course we went through QB hell for so many seasons.
Most of the greats were from those early years and those JDR defense years.
05-12-2021, 09:52 PM
(05-12-2021, 05:33 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]Ramsey and Yannick should not be on the list. Yannick wasn't even a dominant player in his position.
In my opinion Ramsey was a 1st team All Pro so There’s no way I could leave him off the list. He made the 2nd biggest interception in Jaguar post season history when he locked the game up with an interception against the Bills in 2017. Bortles has like 88 yards passing that game and Ramsey came up with a huge play when we needed it.
He put the locks on Steve Smith that year, AJ Green. Ramsey played some big time football for the Jags. I’m just as disgusted as the next fan about how he left town but that’s why he made the list.
Yannick Ngakoue easily makes the list ranking 2nd all time in sacks as a Jaguar with 37.5
Campbell happened to have a monster 2017 season and won AFC Defensive player of the year in the same year that Ngakoue was breaking out. Again I am just as disgusted with how he left town, but no way I’m leaving a guy off the list that racked up 37.5 sacks.
(05-12-2021, 01:11 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]Good list. Man we have been very thin on offensive play as a franchise.
Thanks MoJagFan I appreciate it man.
(05-12-2021, 06:22 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ](05-12-2021, 05:33 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]Idk mahomes can match brunells most tds in a season in like 4 games lol
Tom Coughlin was obsessed by balanced run and pass balance. TC handcuffed Burnell. Brunell in his prime with the current rules would have better numbers.
He absolutely would flourish in today’s pass happy league. Brunell had 4300 back in 1996. A Prime Brunell would be a problem for many teams.
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