Not sure if this topic ever arose. but it's still the dead zone, and I am jonesing for football, like Pookie from New Jack City going through withdrawals.
Not a pretty sight. folks.
But I was wondering based primarily on your feelings of the draft class before they played a down, which draft class did you like better, the 2020 or 2021 class?
To review, this is the 2020 class:
1-9 CJ Henderson, CB, Florida
1-20 K'Lavon Chaisson, Edge, LSU
2-42 Laviska Shenault, WR, Colorado
3-73 DaVon Hamilton, NTm, Ohio State
4-116 Ben Bartch, G, St. John's (MN)
4-137 Josiah Scott, CB, Michigan St.
4-140 Shaquille Quarterman, LB, Miami (FL)
5-157 Daniel Thomas, S, Auburn
5-165 Collin Johnson, WR, Texas
6-189 Jake Luton, QB, Oregon St.223 Chris Claybrooks, CB, Memphis
6-206 Tyler Davis, TE, Georgia Tech
7-223 Chris Claybrooks, CB Memphis
and here is this year's class
1-1 Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson
1-25 Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson
2-33 Tyson Campbell, DB, Georgia
2-45 Walker Little, T, Stanford
3-65 Andre Cisco, S, Syracuse
4-106 Jay Tufele, DL, USC
4-121 Jordan Smith, Edge, UAB
5-145 Luke Farrell, TE, Ohio State
6-209 Jalen Camp, WR. Georgia Tech
For several reasons, I would give the edge to this year's draft class.
1. Trevor Lawrence. He has been touted even by national observers as a generational QB prospect. That possibility alone gives 2021 the edge.
2. In terms of guys I liked in the first round, I didn't care for either first round pick last year. Henderson was a fair prospect, but there were other guys I wanted above him. I simply did not like the Chaisson pick at all. Damn near everyone liked the Trevor Lawrence pick. Conversely, damn near everyone hated the Etienne pick. Though I preferred Teven Jenkins at that spot, I at least liked Etienne as a prospect.
3. I also think the extra "premium" pick-the Walker Little pick due to the Ngakoue trade-gives 2021 another edge over last year. Now we'll have to see whether Little gives us more impact for that pick, but just from a numerical perspective, 2 second round picks are better than one.
4, Finally, this year's class addressed more premium positions (QB, LT, and CB) than 2929 (CB, Edge)
On the other hand, after the 4th round, I think the 2020 class fared better than this year's class. Starting with the Jordan Smith pick, I wasn't impressed with this year's draft haul. Last year, I at least felt good about Collin Johnson. Also in terms of raw numbers overall, 12 picks are better than 9 picks.
Your thoughts?
(07-10-2021, 12:31 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure if this topic ever arose. but it's still the dead zone, and I am jonesing for football, like Pookie from New Jack City going through withdrawals.
Not a pretty sight. folks.
But I was wondering based primarily on your feelings of the draft class before they played a down, which draft class did you like better, the 2020 or 2021 class?
To review, this is the 2020 class:
1-9 CJ Henderson, CB, Florida
1-20 K'Lavon Chaisson, Edge, LSU
2-42 Laviska Shenault, WR, Colorado
3-73 DaVon Hamilton, NTm, Ohio State
4-116 Ben Bartch, G, St. John's (MN)
4-137 Josiah Scott, CB, Michigan St.
4-140 Shaquille Quarterman, LB, Miami (FL)
5-157 Daniel Thomas, S, Auburn
5-165 Collin Johnson, WR, Texas
6-189 Jake Luton, QB, Oregon St.223 Chris Claybrooks, CB, Memphis
6-206 Tyler Davis, TE, Georgia Tech
7-223 Chris Claybrooks, CB Memphis
and here is this year's class
1-1 Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson
1-25 Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson
2-33 Tyson Campbell, DB, Georgia
2-45 Walker Little, T, Stanford
3-65 Andre Cisco, S, Syracuse
4-106 Jay Tufele, DL, USC
4-121 Jordan Smith, Edge, UAB
5-145 Luke Farrell, TE, Ohio State
6-209 Jalen Camp, WR. Georgia Tech
For several reasons, I would give the edge to this year's draft class.
1. Trevor Lawrence. He has been touted even by national observers as a generational QB prospect. That possibility alone gives 2021 the edge.
2. In terms of guys I liked in the first round, I didn't care for either first round pick last year. Henderson was a fair prospect, but there were other guys I wanted above him. I simply did not like the Chaisson pick at all. Damn near everyone liked the Trevor Lawrence pick. Conversely, damn near everyone hated the Etienne pick. Though I preferred Teven Jenkins at that spot, I at least liked Etienne as a prospect.
3. I also think the extra "premium" pick-the Walker Little pick due to the Ngakoue trade-gives 2021 another edge over last year. Now we'll have to see whether Little gives us more impact for that pick, but just from a numerical perspective, 2 second round picks are better than one.
4, Finally, this year's class addressed more premium positions (QB, LT, and CB) than 2929 (CB, Edge)
On the other hand, after the 4th round, I think the 2020 class fared better than this year's class. Starting with the Jordan Smith pick, I wasn't impressed with this year's draft haul. Last year, I at least felt good about Collin Johnson. Also in terms of raw numbers overall, 12 picks are better than 9 picks.
Your thoughts?
Bullseye, I agree that this year's is better, but mostly because last year's was so bad, in my opinion.
Taking Henderson never pleased me. He seems like he can be a decent CB, but more of a need reach than an ability pick. Should have taken Justin Jefferson.
Really, though, any draft that gets you a generational QB is a great draft, in spite of the rest of it often being heartburn inducing. That said, I agree that Little could be a gem. We'll have to see.
(07-10-2021, 01:02 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (07-10-2021, 12:31 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure if this topic ever arose. but it's still the dead zone, and I am jonesing for football, like Pookie from New Jack City going through withdrawals.
Not a pretty sight. folks.
But I was wondering based primarily on your feelings of the draft class before they played a down, which draft class did you like better, the 2020 or 2021 class?
To review, this is the 2020 class:
1-9 CJ Henderson, CB, Florida
1-20 K'Lavon Chaisson, Edge, LSU
2-42 Laviska Shenault, WR, Colorado
3-73 DaVon Hamilton, NTm, Ohio State
4-116 Ben Bartch, G, St. John's (MN)
4-137 Josiah Scott, CB, Michigan St.
4-140 Shaquille Quarterman, LB, Miami (FL)
5-157 Daniel Thomas, S, Auburn
5-165 Collin Johnson, WR, Texas
6-189 Jake Luton, QB, Oregon St.223 Chris Claybrooks, CB, Memphis
6-206 Tyler Davis, TE, Georgia Tech
7-223 Chris Claybrooks, CB Memphis
and here is this year's class
1-1 Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson
1-25 Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson
2-33 Tyson Campbell, DB, Georgia
2-45 Walker Little, T, Stanford
3-65 Andre Cisco, S, Syracuse
4-106 Jay Tufele, DL, USC
4-121 Jordan Smith, Edge, UAB
5-145 Luke Farrell, TE, Ohio State
6-209 Jalen Camp, WR. Georgia Tech
For several reasons, I would give the edge to this year's draft class.
1. Trevor Lawrence. He has been touted even by national observers as a generational QB prospect. That possibility alone gives 2021 the edge.
2. In terms of guys I liked in the first round, I didn't care for either first round pick last year. Henderson was a fair prospect, but there were other guys I wanted above him. I simply did not like the Chaisson pick at all. Damn near everyone liked the Trevor Lawrence pick. Conversely, damn near everyone hated the Etienne pick. Though I preferred Teven Jenkins at that spot, I at least liked Etienne as a prospect.
3. I also think the extra "premium" pick-the Walker Little pick due to the Ngakoue trade-gives 2021 another edge over last year. Now we'll have to see whether Little gives us more impact for that pick, but just from a numerical perspective, 2 second round picks are better than one.
4, Finally, this year's class addressed more premium positions (QB, LT, and CB) than 2929 (CB, Edge)
On the other hand, after the 4th round, I think the 2020 class fared better than this year's class. Starting with the Jordan Smith pick, I wasn't impressed with this year's draft haul. Last year, I at least felt good about Collin Johnson. Also in terms of raw numbers overall, 12 picks are better than 9 picks.
Your thoughts?
Bullseye, I agree that this year's is better, but mostly because last year's was so bad, in my opinion.
Taking Henderson never pleased me. He seems like he can be a decent CB, but more of a need reach than an ability pick. Should have taken Justin Jefferson.
Really, though, any draft that gets you a generational QB is a great draft, in spite of the rest of it often being heartburn inducing. That said, I agree that Little could be a gem. We'll have to see.
Just about everyone on this board was screaming for a tackle (Wills Wirfs Becton) and Jefferson.
This years class by a mile just because of Trevor.
Combined, I think jags got some good players looking at both classes. Time will tell. I like this years better because of the obvious
(07-10-2021, 01:31 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (07-10-2021, 01:02 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Bullseye, I agree that this year's is better, but mostly because last year's was so bad, in my opinion.
Taking Henderson never pleased me. He seems like he can be a decent CB, but more of a need reach than an ability pick. Should have taken Justin Jefferson.
Really, though, any draft that gets you a generational QB is a great draft, in spite of the rest of it often being heartburn inducing. That said, I agree that Little could be a gem. We'll have to see.
Just about everyone on this board was screaming for a tackle (Wills Wirfs Becton) and Jefferson.
This years class by a mile just because of Trevor.
I think at the time I wanted to see them take a tackle, too, but in hindsight Jefferson clearly was a pick that could have had an impact.
All of that said, we have Trevor, now, so maybe Caldwell gave us a blessing in disguise by dropping one last deuce of a draft.
(07-10-2021, 01:41 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (07-10-2021, 01:31 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Just about everyone on this board was screaming for a tackle (Wills Wirfs Becton) and Jefferson.
This years class by a mile just because of Trevor.
I think at the time I wanted to see them take a tackle, too, but in hindsight Jefferson clearly was a pick that could have had an impact.
All of that said, we have Trevor, now, so maybe Caldwell gave us a blessing in disguise by dropping one last deuce of a draft.
I should have clarified a bit.
Tackle with the 1st pick and then Jefferson with the 2nd 1st rounder. Could have had both.
But like someone else just mentioned, it all led us to Lawrence so I’m good.
(07-10-2021, 12:31 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure if this topic ever arose. but it's still the dead zone, and I am jonesing for football, like Pookie from New Jack City going through withdrawals.
Not a pretty sight. folks.
But I was wondering based primarily on your feelings of the draft class before they played a down, which draft class did you like better, the 2020 or 2021 class?
To review, this is the 2020 class:
1-9 CJ Henderson, CB, Florida
1-20 K'Lavon Chaisson, Edge, LSU
2-42 Laviska Shenault, WR, Colorado
3-73 DaVon Hamilton, NTm, Ohio State
4-116 Ben Bartch, G, St. John's (MN)
4-137 Josiah Scott, CB, Michigan St.
4-140 Shaquille Quarterman, LB, Miami (FL)
5-157 Daniel Thomas, S, Auburn
5-165 Collin Johnson, WR, Texas
6-189 Jake Luton, QB, Oregon St.223 Chris Claybrooks, CB, Memphis
6-206 Tyler Davis, TE, Georgia Tech
7-223 Chris Claybrooks, CB Memphis
and here is this year's class
1-1 Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson
1-25 Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson
2-33 Tyson Campbell, DB, Georgia
2-45 Walker Little, T, Stanford
3-65 Andre Cisco, S, Syracuse
4-106 Jay Tufele, DL, USC
4-121 Jordan Smith, Edge, UAB
5-145 Luke Farrell, TE, Ohio State
6-209 Jalen Camp, WR. Georgia Tech
For several reasons, I would give the edge to this year's draft class.
1. Trevor Lawrence. He has been touted even by national observers as a generational QB prospect. That possibility alone gives 2021 the edge.
2. In terms of guys I liked in the first round, I didn't care for either first round pick last year. Henderson was a fair prospect, but there were other guys I wanted above him. I simply did not like the Chaisson pick at all. Damn near everyone liked the Trevor Lawrence pick. Conversely, damn near everyone hated the Etienne pick. Though I preferred Teven Jenkins at that spot, I at least liked Etienne as a prospect.
3. I also think the extra "premium" pick-the Walker Little pick due to the Ngakoue trade-gives 2021 another edge over last year. Now we'll have to see whether Little gives us more impact for that pick, but just from a numerical perspective, 2 second round picks are better than one.
4, Finally, this year's class addressed more premium positions (QB, LT, and CB) than 2929 (CB, Edge)
On the other hand, after the 4th round, I think the 2020 class fared better than this year's class. Starting with the Jordan Smith pick, I wasn't impressed with this year's draft haul. Last year, I at least felt good about Collin Johnson. Also in terms of raw numbers overall, 12 picks are better than 9 picks.
Your thoughts?
Trevor Lawrence alone gives the edge to 2021. Henderson I liked, Chaisson I saw the logic based on potential and needing another edge rusher opposite Allen but would've preferred Patrick Queen there. I feel that Dave Caldwell was a needs based drafter almost to a fault, he had told us that when he came to Jacksonville and I really believe this team suffered for it.
The thing that breaks 2020 for me is that after the 3rd round it was hard to get excited about any of them ... they were all depth or developmental prospects. Like Bartch came from D3 and needed a year in a weightroom, Quarterman was depth and ST's, Thomas was a fine pick, Josiah Scott was a reach to premptively fill the hole at Nickel with Hayden having 1 year remaining under contract. Collin Johnson was going to be behind the guy they drafted in the 2nd round regardless.
The 2021 draft was executed with a vision. I see that they wanted to add speed and blue chip talent. They tried to get immense value out of each pick: Etienne (RB in the first round aside; dude was the most dangerous playmaker left in the draft at that point), Little being a top 10 pick LT consensus pre injury/Covid; Cisco being talked about as a late first rounder pre-ACL tear; Tufele slipping from 2nd/3rd to 4th due to opting out. The only pick I wasn't terribly high on was Tyson Campbell at #33.
Also for the posters saying that they wanted Justin Jefferson at pick #9 .... i'm sorry but you're all liars I heard discussion about him for our pick #20 but NO ONE thought he was going top 10 pre-draft unless they're an LSU fan. also if every pick in 2021 busts except Trevor it's still a better draft than 2020.
Better draft capital in '21 really skews it, but I was unhappy with 3 of the first 6 picks in 2020. Not upset or anything, just would have done something different.
In 2021 - I'm happy with all the early picks even though I'd have done something different at 25. I'll reserve judgement till the kid gets a shot.
(07-10-2021, 01:02 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ] (07-10-2021, 12:31 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure if this topic ever arose. but it's still the dead zone, and I am jonesing for football, like Pookie from New Jack City going through withdrawals.
Not a pretty sight. folks.
But I was wondering based primarily on your feelings of the draft class before they played a down, which draft class did you like better, the 2020 or 2021 class?
To review, this is the 2020 class:
1-9 CJ Henderson, CB, Florida
1-20 K'Lavon Chaisson, Edge, LSU
2-42 Laviska Shenault, WR, Colorado
3-73 DaVon Hamilton, NTm, Ohio State
4-116 Ben Bartch, G, St. John's (MN)
4-137 Josiah Scott, CB, Michigan St.
4-140 Shaquille Quarterman, LB, Miami (FL)
5-157 Daniel Thomas, S, Auburn
5-165 Collin Johnson, WR, Texas
6-189 Jake Luton, QB, Oregon St.223 Chris Claybrooks, CB, Memphis
6-206 Tyler Davis, TE, Georgia Tech
7-223 Chris Claybrooks, CB Memphis
and here is this year's class
1-1 Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson
1-25 Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson
2-33 Tyson Campbell, DB, Georgia
2-45 Walker Little, T, Stanford
3-65 Andre Cisco, S, Syracuse
4-106 Jay Tufele, DL, USC
4-121 Jordan Smith, Edge, UAB
5-145 Luke Farrell, TE, Ohio State
6-209 Jalen Camp, WR. Georgia Tech
For several reasons, I would give the edge to this year's draft class.
1. Trevor Lawrence. He has been touted even by national observers as a generational QB prospect. That possibility alone gives 2021 the edge.
2. In terms of guys I liked in the first round, I didn't care for either first round pick last year. Henderson was a fair prospect, but there were other guys I wanted above him. I simply did not like the Chaisson pick at all. Damn near everyone liked the Trevor Lawrence pick. Conversely, damn near everyone hated the Etienne pick. Though I preferred Teven Jenkins at that spot, I at least liked Etienne as a prospect.
3. I also think the extra "premium" pick-the Walker Little pick due to the Ngakoue trade-gives 2021 another edge over last year. Now we'll have to see whether Little gives us more impact for that pick, but just from a numerical perspective, 2 second round picks are better than one.
4, Finally, this year's class addressed more premium positions (QB, LT, and CB) than 2929 (CB, Edge)
On the other hand, after the 4th round, I think the 2020 class fared better than this year's class. Starting with the Jordan Smith pick, I wasn't impressed with this year's draft haul. Last year, I at least felt good about Collin Johnson. Also in terms of raw numbers overall, 12 picks are better than 9 picks.
Your thoughts?
Bullseye, I agree that this year's is better, but mostly because last year's was so bad, in my opinion.
Taking Henderson never pleased me. He seems like he can be a decent CB, but more of a need reach than an ability pick. Should have taken Justin Jefferson.
Really, though, any draft that gets you a generational QB is a great draft, in spite of the rest of it often being heartburn inducing. That said, I agree that Little could be a gem. We'll have to see.
I actually liked the Shenault and Hamilton picks last year...certainly better than the two first round picks. Most of my negative views of last year's class focused on the first round picks.
Belaboring my earlier observation, Lawrence aside, Walker Little is the key to this draft. If Walker Little becomes a stud LT for us, our offense takes a quantum leap forward because he protects Lawrence's blindside.
Actually, in terms of filling the "premium" positions, we actually could be set up pretty decently. TL is our franchise signal caller. We just talked about Little. While none of the guys we have are as good as Ramsey was, if they are solid to good, CB would be set, leaving only edge rusher as a question. Most of us I think still feel good about Allen. Chaisson represents a question mark.
Assuming we hit on TL and Little, the remainder of the team should be quite fixable.
Both are not good, but Trevor alone is better than 2020 combined.
(07-10-2021, 01:44 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ] (07-10-2021, 12:31 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure if this topic ever arose. but it's still the dead zone, and I am jonesing for football, like Pookie from New Jack City going through withdrawals.
Not a pretty sight. folks.
But I was wondering based primarily on your feelings of the draft class before they played a down, which draft class did you like better, the 2020 or 2021 class?
To review, this is the 2020 class:
1-9 CJ Henderson, CB, Florida
1-20 K'Lavon Chaisson, Edge, LSU
2-42 Laviska Shenault, WR, Colorado
3-73 DaVon Hamilton, NTm, Ohio State
4-116 Ben Bartch, G, St. John's (MN)
4-137 Josiah Scott, CB, Michigan St.
4-140 Shaquille Quarterman, LB, Miami (FL)
5-157 Daniel Thomas, S, Auburn
5-165 Collin Johnson, WR, Texas
6-189 Jake Luton, QB, Oregon St.223 Chris Claybrooks, CB, Memphis
6-206 Tyler Davis, TE, Georgia Tech
7-223 Chris Claybrooks, CB Memphis
and here is this year's class
1-1 Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson
1-25 Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson
2-33 Tyson Campbell, DB, Georgia
2-45 Walker Little, T, Stanford
3-65 Andre Cisco, S, Syracuse
4-106 Jay Tufele, DL, USC
4-121 Jordan Smith, Edge, UAB
5-145 Luke Farrell, TE, Ohio State
6-209 Jalen Camp, WR. Georgia Tech
For several reasons, I would give the edge to this year's draft class.
1. Trevor Lawrence. He has been touted even by national observers as a generational QB prospect. That possibility alone gives 2021 the edge.
2. In terms of guys I liked in the first round, I didn't care for either first round pick last year. Henderson was a fair prospect, but there were other guys I wanted above him. I simply did not like the Chaisson pick at all. Damn near everyone liked the Trevor Lawrence pick. Conversely, damn near everyone hated the Etienne pick. Though I preferred Teven Jenkins at that spot, I at least liked Etienne as a prospect.
3. I also think the extra "premium" pick-the Walker Little pick due to the Ngakoue trade-gives 2021 another edge over last year. Now we'll have to see whether Little gives us more impact for that pick, but just from a numerical perspective, 2 second round picks are better than one.
4, Finally, this year's class addressed more premium positions (QB, LT, and CB) than 2929 (CB, Edge)
On the other hand, after the 4th round, I think the 2020 class fared better than this year's class. Starting with the Jordan Smith pick, I wasn't impressed with this year's draft haul. Last year, I at least felt good about Collin Johnson. Also in terms of raw numbers overall, 12 picks are better than 9 picks.
Your thoughts?
Trevor Lawrence alone gives the edge to 2021. Henderson I liked, Chaisson I saw the logic based on potential and needing another edge rusher opposite Allen but would've preferred Patrick Queen there. I feel that Dave Caldwell was a needs based drafter almost to a fault, he had told us that when he came to Jacksonville and I really believe this team suffered for it.
The thing that breaks 2020 for me is that after the 3rd round it was hard to get excited about any of them ... they were all depth or developmental prospects. Like Bartch came from D3 and needed a year in a weightroom, Quarterman was depth and ST's, Thomas was a fine pick, Josiah Scott was a reach to premptively fill the hole at Nickel with Hayden having 1 year remaining under contract. Collin Johnson was going to be behind the guy they drafted in the 2nd round regardless.
The 2021 draft was executed with a vision. I see that they wanted to add speed and blue chip talent. They tried to get immense value out of each pick: Etienne (RB in the first round aside; dude was the most dangerous playmaker left in the draft at that point), Little being a top 10 pick LT consensus pre injury/Covid; Cisco being talked about as a late first rounder pre-ACL tear; Tufele slipping from 2nd/3rd to 4th due to opting out. The only pick I wasn't terribly high on was Tyson Campbell at #33.
Also for the posters saying that they wanted Justin Jefferson at pick #9 .... i'm sorry but you're all liars I heard discussion about him for our pick #20 but NO ONE thought he was going top 10 pre-draft unless they're an LSU fan. also if every pick in 2021 busts except Trevor it's still a better draft than 2020.
Agreed.
I think it's about as close to universal as anything could get among Jag nation, but TL alone tips the balance between the two classes.
As for the latter portion of the 2020 draft class, the quality really seemed to fall off in the 4th round, though the 5th looks a bit more promising. This year, after the first three picks, the operative word was risk.
I share your recollection of the pre draft talk regarding Jefferson. While there were some who had him as a first rounder, I don't recall anybody advocating him at #9 overall.
(07-10-2021, 01:44 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ] (07-10-2021, 12:31 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure if this topic ever arose. but it's still the dead zone, and I am jonesing for football, like Pookie from New Jack City going through withdrawals.
Not a pretty sight. folks.
But I was wondering based primarily on your feelings of the draft class before they played a down, which draft class did you like better, the 2020 or 2021 class?
To review, this is the 2020 class:
1-9 CJ Henderson, CB, Florida
1-20 K'Lavon Chaisson, Edge, LSU
2-42 Laviska Shenault, WR, Colorado
3-73 DaVon Hamilton, NTm, Ohio State
4-116 Ben Bartch, G, St. John's (MN)
4-137 Josiah Scott, CB, Michigan St.
4-140 Shaquille Quarterman, LB, Miami (FL)
5-157 Daniel Thomas, S, Auburn
5-165 Collin Johnson, WR, Texas
6-189 Jake Luton, QB, Oregon St.223 Chris Claybrooks, CB, Memphis
6-206 Tyler Davis, TE, Georgia Tech
7-223 Chris Claybrooks, CB Memphis
and here is this year's class
1-1 Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson
1-25 Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson
2-33 Tyson Campbell, DB, Georgia
2-45 Walker Little, T, Stanford
3-65 Andre Cisco, S, Syracuse
4-106 Jay Tufele, DL, USC
4-121 Jordan Smith, Edge, UAB
5-145 Luke Farrell, TE, Ohio State
6-209 Jalen Camp, WR. Georgia Tech
For several reasons, I would give the edge to this year's draft class.
1. Trevor Lawrence. He has been touted even by national observers as a generational QB prospect. That possibility alone gives 2021 the edge.
2. In terms of guys I liked in the first round, I didn't care for either first round pick last year. Henderson was a fair prospect, but there were other guys I wanted above him. I simply did not like the Chaisson pick at all. Damn near everyone liked the Trevor Lawrence pick. Conversely, damn near everyone hated the Etienne pick. Though I preferred Teven Jenkins at that spot, I at least liked Etienne as a prospect.
3. I also think the extra "premium" pick-the Walker Little pick due to the Ngakoue trade-gives 2021 another edge over last year. Now we'll have to see whether Little gives us more impact for that pick, but just from a numerical perspective, 2 second round picks are better than one.
4, Finally, this year's class addressed more premium positions (QB, LT, and CB) than 2929 (CB, Edge)
On the other hand, after the 4th round, I think the 2020 class fared better than this year's class. Starting with the Jordan Smith pick, I wasn't impressed with this year's draft haul. Last year, I at least felt good about Collin Johnson. Also in terms of raw numbers overall, 12 picks are better than 9 picks.
Your thoughts?
Trevor Lawrence alone gives the edge to 2021. Henderson I liked, Chaisson I saw the logic based on potential and needing another edge rusher opposite Allen but would've preferred Patrick Queen there. I feel that Dave Caldwell was a needs based drafter almost to a fault, he had told us that when he came to Jacksonville and I really believe this team suffered for it.
The thing that breaks 2020 for me is that after the 3rd round it was hard to get excited about any of them ... they were all depth or developmental prospects. Like Bartch came from D3 and needed a year in a weightroom, Quarterman was depth and ST's, Thomas was a fine pick, Josiah Scott was a reach to premptively fill the hole at Nickel with Hayden having 1 year remaining under contract. Collin Johnson was going to be behind the guy they drafted in the 2nd round regardless.
The 2021 draft was executed with a vision. I see that they wanted to add speed and blue chip talent. They tried to get immense value out of each pick: Etienne (RB in the first round aside; dude was the most dangerous playmaker left in the draft at that point), Little being a top 10 pick LT consensus pre injury/Covid; Cisco being talked about as a late first rounder pre-ACL tear; Tufele slipping from 2nd/3rd to 4th due to opting out. The only pick I wasn't terribly high on was Tyson Campbell at #33.
Also for the posters saying that they wanted Justin Jefferson at pick #9 .... i'm sorry but you're all liars I heard discussion about him for our pick #20 but NO ONE thought he was going top 10 pre-draft unless they're an LSU fan. also if every pick in 2021 busts except Trevor it's still a better draft than 2020.
Is anyone claiming they wanted Jefferson at 9?
For me, Wirfs at 9 and Jefferson at 20.
(07-10-2021, 01:44 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ] (07-10-2021, 12:31 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure if this topic ever arose. but it's still the dead zone, and I am jonesing for football, like Pookie from New Jack City going through withdrawals.
Not a pretty sight. folks.
But I was wondering based primarily on your feelings of the draft class before they played a down, which draft class did you like better, the 2020 or 2021 class?
To review, this is the 2020 class:
1-9 CJ Henderson, CB, Florida
1-20 K'Lavon Chaisson, Edge, LSU
2-42 Laviska Shenault, WR, Colorado
3-73 DaVon Hamilton, NTm, Ohio State
4-116 Ben Bartch, G, St. John's (MN)
4-137 Josiah Scott, CB, Michigan St.
4-140 Shaquille Quarterman, LB, Miami (FL)
5-157 Daniel Thomas, S, Auburn
5-165 Collin Johnson, WR, Texas
6-189 Jake Luton, QB, Oregon St.223 Chris Claybrooks, CB, Memphis
6-206 Tyler Davis, TE, Georgia Tech
7-223 Chris Claybrooks, CB Memphis
and here is this year's class
1-1 Trevor Lawrence, QB, Clemson
1-25 Travis Etienne, RB, Clemson
2-33 Tyson Campbell, DB, Georgia
2-45 Walker Little, T, Stanford
3-65 Andre Cisco, S, Syracuse
4-106 Jay Tufele, DL, USC
4-121 Jordan Smith, Edge, UAB
5-145 Luke Farrell, TE, Ohio State
6-209 Jalen Camp, WR. Georgia Tech
For several reasons, I would give the edge to this year's draft class.
1. Trevor Lawrence. He has been touted even by national observers as a generational QB prospect. That possibility alone gives 2021 the edge.
2. In terms of guys I liked in the first round, I didn't care for either first round pick last year. Henderson was a fair prospect, but there were other guys I wanted above him. I simply did not like the Chaisson pick at all. Damn near everyone liked the Trevor Lawrence pick. Conversely, damn near everyone hated the Etienne pick. Though I preferred Teven Jenkins at that spot, I at least liked Etienne as a prospect.
3. I also think the extra "premium" pick-the Walker Little pick due to the Ngakoue trade-gives 2021 another edge over last year. Now we'll have to see whether Little gives us more impact for that pick, but just from a numerical perspective, 2 second round picks are better than one.
4, Finally, this year's class addressed more premium positions (QB, LT, and CB) than 2929 (CB, Edge)
On the other hand, after the 4th round, I think the 2020 class fared better than this year's class. Starting with the Jordan Smith pick, I wasn't impressed with this year's draft haul. Last year, I at least felt good about Collin Johnson. Also in terms of raw numbers overall, 12 picks are better than 9 picks.
Your thoughts?
Trevor Lawrence alone gives the edge to 2021. Henderson I liked, Chaisson I saw the logic based on potential and needing another edge rusher opposite Allen but would've preferred Patrick Queen there. I feel that Dave Caldwell was a needs based drafter almost to a fault, he had told us that when he came to Jacksonville and I really believe this team suffered for it.
The thing that breaks 2020 for me is that after the 3rd round it was hard to get excited about any of them ... they were all depth or developmental prospects. Like Bartch came from D3 and needed a year in a weightroom, Quarterman was depth and ST's, Thomas was a fine pick, Josiah Scott was a reach to premptively fill the hole at Nickel with Hayden having 1 year remaining under contract. Collin Johnson was going to be behind the guy they drafted in the 2nd round regardless.
The 2021 draft was executed with a vision. I see that they wanted to add speed and blue chip talent. They tried to get immense value out of each pick: Etienne (RB in the first round aside; dude was the most dangerous playmaker left in the draft at that point), Little being a top 10 pick LT consensus pre injury/Covid; Cisco being talked about as a late first rounder pre-ACL tear; Tufele slipping from 2nd/3rd to 4th due to opting out. The only pick I wasn't terribly high on was Tyson Campbell at #33.
Also for the posters saying that they wanted Justin Jefferson at pick #9 .... i'm sorry but you're all liars I heard discussion about him for our pick #20 but NO ONE thought he was going top 10 pre-draft unless they're an LSU fan. also if every pick in 2021 busts except Trevor it's still a better draft than 2020.
This, and its not because I dont think Campbell is a good corner, but that Barmore and Elijah Moore were there. 2 players who were top 20 talents in the draft imo, if neither of them were there I would of liked the Campbell pick much better. With that said our corner back room is deep and Campbell will definitely help out our secondary.
(07-10-2021, 08:06 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Is anyone claiming they wanted Jefferson at 9?
For me, Wirfs at 9 and Jefferson at 20.
I loved Wirfs, but I was slightly higher on Wills...and I was the low man on Becton. Liked him, and still do, but a man that uniquely big is also pretty scary. Worried about his longevity.
Jefferson at 20 should have been the no brainer of the century.
Wirfs and JJ were my guys as well but I think the 2020 class will be much improved after this year and I think CJ and Chaisson will be 2 building blocks on our defense, without those 2 our defense would be bare but I still always go BPA
We wasted 2 1st rounders in 2020 and only 1 in 2021, so I guess that's improvement.
It's too early to know which is the better draft. Look back at the draft in 2-3 years from now.
All the needs drafters should love last year's draft
2020 draft= Needs drafting
2021 draft = BPA drafting
(07-10-2021, 03:28 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Both are not good, but Trevor alone is better than 2020 combined.
I can agree with that especially if we give him enough support.
(07-10-2021, 08:43 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (07-10-2021, 08:06 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Is anyone claiming they wanted Jefferson at 9?
For me, Wirfs at 9 and Jefferson at 20.
I loved Wirfs, but I was slightly higher on Wills...and I was the low man on Becton. Liked him, and still do, but a man that uniquely big is also pretty scary. Worried about his longevity.
Jefferson at 20 should have been the no brainer of the century.
I think I had a lower opinion of him than anybody.
I wanted nothing to do with him. What a miss, eh?