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More Democrats favor socialism over capitalism: poll

A new Fox News poll showed that more Democrats favor socialism over capitalism

Americans interviewed on Friday in Washington, D.C., had mixed reactions as to whether they believe socialism would be good for America.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/americans-spe...-socialism

I don't understand why they just don't change the D to an S on their voter ID cards..

And water is wet...

Another thread for TRM, NYC and Mikesez (though I bet Mikey is into it). This is where we are heading.

Meh. A poll meant to spin an agenda.

Of course democrats favor more socialist-style policies than republicans do. That's a very "water is wet" statement.
But favoring one to the other in their pure forms is just a lesser of two evils debate. They'd both implode upon themselves if left unchecked.
The key is finding a balance between them. It's actually something that our great nation has done a pretty good job of compared to most.

(08-13-2021, 04:35 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Another thread for TRM, NYC and Mikesez (though I bet Mikey is into it). This is where we are heading.

TRM does not believe in socialism.  TRM is a capitalist.  TRM is also not surprised that more Democrats identify with socialism than capitalism.   TRM believes that most people, including Republicans, Democrats, and independents, are not very bright.  TRM is kind of an elitist.  He admits it.  

There's nothing really much to say about it other than that.

Nah, man... I agree with you. I know you don't believe in those things. I don't think NYC believes in it, even though he dismisses this poll as another anomaly. Socialism is not social welfare. The elites no the difference. Smoke and mirrors.

(08-13-2021, 06:21 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Nah, man... I agree with you. I know you don't believe in those things. I don't think NYC believes in it, even though he dismisses this poll as another anomaly. Socialism is not social welfare. The elites no the difference. Smoke and mirrors.

I dismiss the poll as being too broad of a stroke to tell us anything discernible. It's designed to roil conservatives by trotting out a bad word like "socialism" and assigning a number to it that is misleading. 

The general question of whether one has a favorable opinion on the concept of capitalism or socialism does so little to inform. 

Do you think that the vast majority of democrats saying they have a favorable opinion of socialism mean that they want the US to be a purely socialist country?  Or that they lean toward more socialist style policies than some that are currently in place? 

I think it's the latter and I think it's nothing new, it's just a bit more polarized at the moment for reasons you don't need me to list.

I didn't actually see how the poll was framed, and I looked. It's clearly not an either or, because 49% of Dems had a favorable view of capitalism and 59% of them had a favorable view of capitalism. The take away from that article is that there's an increase in socialist views among Democrats from a year before. That's worth considering. There's nothing polarizing about it. It's just facts. And the reason dems are buying it is because progressives have control of the narrative in the democratic party. Period.

Socialism is not the same as social welfare. The elites know this. Smoke and mirrors.

(08-13-2021, 06:44 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]I didn't actually see how the poll was framed, and I looked. It's clearly not an either or, because 49% of Dems had a favorable view of capitalism and 59% of them had a favorable view of capitalism. The take away from that article is that there's an increase in socialist views among Democrats from a year before. That's worth considering. There's nothing polarizing about it. It's just facts. And the reason dems are buying it is because progressives have control of the narrative in the democratic party. Period.

Socialism is not the same as social welfare. The elites know this. Smoke and mirrors.

You're the reason fox makes these stupid polls. 

Easily duped into buying/fearing something that doesn't exist or has been falsely painted as something more significant than it is. 

Congrats on figuring out how to spell "know" over the past hour though.

If you're resorting to spell checks, you probably have an invalid position. It's not hard to show a growing trend of democrats embracing socialism. And I never watch Fox news. Never. But, just because they are posting it doesn't make it incorrect. You would know that if you cared about logic.

The poll shows that fewer people consider socialism to be a bad word. Bernie is part of why some people now view it as a good word rather than bad. But Bernie is actually a social welfare guy, just on a bigger scale than the Democrats. Bernie isn't a socialist in the strict sense.
A better poll would break the debate between socialism and capitalism into distinct fronts, like
"Do we need more regulation of business, or less?"
"Should the government own certain businesses, and if so which ones?"
"Are businesses taking an excessive amount of profit, and if so, what should be done?"

(08-13-2021, 08:16 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]If you're resorting to spell checks, you probably have an invalid position. It's not hard to show a growing trend of democrats embracing socialism. And I never watch Fox news. Never. But, just because they are posting it doesn't make it incorrect. You would know that if you cared about logic.

Meh.

The broad stroke statement of "favor socialism" or  "embrace socialism" your most recent hyperbole which is inaccurate to the poll in question, means a million different things to a million different people but you're trying too generalize that into some extreme stance and it's lazy as [BLEEP]. 

If you're dumb enough to think 59% of American democrats want this to be a straight up socialist country and you're too weak to consider the varying degrees to which those polled "favor socialism," then I can't help you, pal. You're just drowning in your own confirmation bias.

Dudes like you love to talk about lazy when you almost never do your own research. You are basically spoon-fed your entire world view. But, to be fair, I definitely don't think most American democrats want this country to be socialist... but also I don't think most of them are smart enough to know what that means. I think they, like you, conflate social democracy with socialism.

However, I don't think this is true of the political elite that use the term. I don't think this is true of Bernie Sanders or the AOCs. I don't think this is true of the Patrice Cullors and radical progressives. I don't think this is true of the Young Turks or Justice Democrats. I don't think this is true for Nicole Hannah Jones and the many other activist journalists and editors. I don't' think this is true of the Robin D'Angelos and the critical pedagogy that wants to influence American children. I don't think it's true of the Derrick Bells, and Richard Delgados that championed critical race theory that is becoming a staple in our society. I could keep going, but I would be here all night. There are a slew of elites and influencers who are anti-capitalist, which is resulting in the masses following their lead. It starts by conflating ideas, and then one simply removes the alternative.

Here's a gallup poll from 2019. That says the same thing I am saying.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/257639/four...aspxfelici

And yes, they say some of what  you are suggesting: that it's a nuanced position for many people. I get that and don't deny it. But the noteworthy part is that democrats view of capitalism is waning, while their view of socialism is growing. So, these aren't one-offs. It's a growing trend. Worse than in 1942, back before we knew how bad socialism was going to fail.

You want to pretend that it's all happenstance, but there is a legitimate, traceable effort by neo-marxist activists over the last 70 years to destabilize culture and overthrow the American system. This group is definitely in the minority, but they have almost total control of the narrative. I've explained this, in detail, many times. It would be easy for you to see this if you didn't have your head shoved so far up your own [BLEEP]. Luckily, you seem to like the smell of your [BLEEP].

Pick any one of these topics, and we can go toe to toe on it, but I'll anticipate the standard, "I'm not going to waste my time."

(08-13-2021, 09:54 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Dudes like you love to talk about lazy when you almost never do your own research. You are basically spoon-fed your entire world view. But, to be fair, I definitely don't think most American democrats want this country to be socialist... but also I don't think most of them are smart enough to know what that means. I think they, like you, conflate social democracy with socialism.

However, I don't think this is true of the political elite that use the term. I don't think this is true of Bernie Sanders or the AOCs. I don't think this is true of the Patrice Cullors and radical progressives. I don't think this is true of the Young Turks or Justice Democrats. I don't think this is true for Nicole Hannah Jones and the many other activist journalists and editors. I don't' think this is true of the Robin D'Angelos and the critical pedagogy that wants to influence American children. I don't think it's true of the Derrick Bells, and Richard Delgados that championed critical race theory that is becoming a staple in our society. I could keep going, but I would be here all night. There are a slew of elites and influencers who are anti-capitalist, which is resulting in the masses following their lead. It starts by conflating ideas, and then one simply removes the alternative.

Here's a gallup poll from 2019. That says the same thing I am saying.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/257639/four...aspxfelici

And yes, they say some of what  you are suggesting: that it's a nuanced position for many people. I get that and don't deny it. But the noteworthy part is that democrats view of capitalism is waning, while their view of socialism is growing. So, these aren't one-offs. It's a growing trend. Worse than in 1942, back before we knew how bad socialism was going to fail.

You want to pretend that it's all happenstance, but there is a legitimate, traceable effort by neo-marxist activists over the last 70 years to destabilize culture and overthrow the American system. This group is definitely in the minority, but they have almost total control of the narrative. I've explained this, in detail, many times. It would be easy for you to see this if you didn't have your head shoved so far up your own [BLEEP]. Luckily, you seem to like the smell of your [BLEEP].

Pick any one of these topics, and we can go toe to toe on it, but I'll anticipate the standard, "I'm not going to waste my time."

Every [BLEEP] time you’re called to task on your weak [BLEEP] [BLEEP] you do this stupid goalpost shift and deflect while backpedaling your prior flag on a hill hyperbolic stance. 

[BLEEP] you 

You aren’t worth a second of my time - you are a horrible debater

Lol.

It's not an either/or proposition. You can certainly have the benefits of capitalism with a government based partly on socialist principles. The majority of the western world operates that way, even the US. If you don't believe it, feel free to give up your right to collect social security or to use government backed infrastructure.

That's not socialism. That's social welfare.

(08-14-2021, 07:47 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]That's not socialism. That's social welfare.

When the government owns a utility that's an example of socialism.  Jacksonville is fairly socialist with JEA in charge of water and electricity.